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Modern Poverty Includes A.C. and an Xbox
national review ^ | July 18, 2011 | Ken McIntyre

Posted on 07/19/2011 7:22:58 AM PDT by kiki04

When Americans think of poverty, we tend to picture people who can’t adequately shelter, clothe, and feed themselves or their families.

When the Census Bureau defines “poverty,” though, it winds up painting more than 40 million Americans — one in seven — as “poor.”

Census officials continue to grossly exaggerate the numbers of the poor, creating a false picture in the public mind of widespread material deprivation, writes Heritage Foundation senior research fellow Robert Rector in a new paper.

“Most news stories on poverty feature homeless families, people living in crumbling shacks, or lines of the downtrodden eating in soup kitchens,” Rector says. “The actual living conditions of America’s poor are far different from these images.”

Congress is tying itself in knots figuring out how to cut spending and bring down a $14 trillion national debt. Lawmakers might well take a much closer look at the nearly a trillion dollars spent each year on welfare even though many recipients aren’t what the typical American would recognize as poor and in need of government assistance.

What is poverty? Americans might well be surprised to learn from other government data that the overwhelming majority of those defined as “poor” by the Census Bureau were well-housed and adequately fed even in the recession year 2009. About 4 percent of them did temporarily become homeless.

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We make a decent living, but are frugal. I ran into another class mom shopping for school clothes. She is a single mom, doesn't work. She had cash and was buying her son $90 sneakers. I just left payless with my kids. I asked if she had gone to walmart yet to get supplies, and she told me hers were covered by the school. All her kids have cell phones and nintendo DS's. I had to tell my girls we could not buy them a DS for their birthday, because they are too expensive. Just got me a little miffed.
1 posted on 07/19/2011 7:23:06 AM PDT by kiki04
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To: kiki04

It’s amazing how things change with time.


2 posted on 07/19/2011 7:26:46 AM PDT by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: kiki04

I see lots of kids on the free/reduced lunch list with iPods and what not.


3 posted on 07/19/2011 7:28:42 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: kiki04
it's almost impossible to believe, but it's real. there is a "gameable" system that rewards non-white-non-males and slackers in general.

It's pretty sickening.

4 posted on 07/19/2011 7:28:42 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand ("America will cease to be great when America ceases to be good." -- Welcome to deToqueville.)
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To: kiki04

Another observation about America’s poor is they are the fattest poor people anywhere on the planet.


5 posted on 07/19/2011 7:29:55 AM PDT by MissEdie (America went to the polls on 11-4-08 and all we got was a socialist thug and a dottering old fool.)
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To: kiki04

We had a neighbor who opted to pay her cable bill instead of her utilities when she ran short. She was totally freaked when her power went out and cable would not work. (Our utilities don’t shut anyone off during the winter, but this was not during winter.)


6 posted on 07/19/2011 7:30:29 AM PDT by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: kiki04

Shame on that mother for her insouciance! My fiancee and I make a decent living, but we aren’t going to be giving our children any digital devices until they’re teenagers. We realize this is an uphill in the snow battle, but it’s one that we believe in.

I’m scared to raise children in this digital age. The Internet was an idea in a lab when I was a kid. Nintendo transformed our worlds. Now the Internet? Yikes!

Kiki, if you can keep your kids busy with sports or other activities, more power to you. You do not have to spend inordinate amounts of money to raise your children. A bocce set or even some board games are cheap and provide plenty of entertainment for a family.


7 posted on 07/19/2011 7:31:44 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: kiki04
My Mom used to tell me, “if we give the poor everything they need or want, what is their incentive to improve their lot”. My Mom was a wise woman.
8 posted on 07/19/2011 7:33:19 AM PDT by svcw (democrats are liars, it's a given)
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To: P.O.E.

And check out the shoes and the cell phones and the pants half down to the knees in the hood. It is amazing how comfortable those on welfare can be. That is the reason people won’t better themselves - they have enough and then some for free. Why do well in school or find a job when a person can watch the big fat television from the big fat couch perched on their big fat a$$ while enjoying a big fat beer and smoking a big fat doobie, all for free?


9 posted on 07/19/2011 7:33:59 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: kiki04

A good article with interesting facts.


10 posted on 07/19/2011 7:42:17 AM PDT by Verbosus (/* No Comment */)
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To: kiki04

A good article with interesting facts.


11 posted on 07/19/2011 7:42:17 AM PDT by Verbosus (/* No Comment */)
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To: kiki04
I hear you. My youngest just finished high school and we raised five and had to deal with what your talking about. Now my youngest is having to deal with where the college grants and such go. Seems to be never ending.
12 posted on 07/19/2011 7:43:53 AM PDT by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: kiki04

Record number on food stamps.
Record number of obese people.

America has the highest caloric consuming “poor” in the world.


13 posted on 07/19/2011 7:47:14 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: kiki04

I’m a single mom. But I went to grad school & got myself a GOOD job (praise the Lord). I now make 6 figs but it annoys me to no end to see these welfare queens walking down the street with their cell phones & Louis bags, while I get up at 0430 every day to slave away paying my taxes to support them.

Pigs. I’d say they live like animals, but truly, I think that’s a disservice to animals. My cat is more civilized than some of these folks.


14 posted on 07/19/2011 7:47:33 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: nascarnation

There are no poor people in this country....people in Haiti are poor. In this country, they use poor as a relative term, not as an absolute term.


15 posted on 07/19/2011 7:49:07 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: surroundedbyblue
My cat is more civilized than some of these folks.

Well said.

16 posted on 07/19/2011 7:50:27 AM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: kiki04

and a taxpayer financed trip to the grocery store every month


17 posted on 07/19/2011 7:56:43 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: kiki04
Not to mention that welfare fosters crime. I lived in a double with a guy who was Section 8 and didn't work. He committed identity theft with his spare time and eventually went to prison. A couple that lives down the street don't work (so I assume they're getting a handout). From the traffic that comes and goes and the partying that I see, I'm sure they're selling drugs of some type.
18 posted on 07/19/2011 7:57:45 AM PDT by neefer (Big city turn me loose and set me free.)
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To: kiki04

The dirty secret about the working poor is that they are largely “single” moms. These “single” women almost always have a man living in their home. He may be “disabled” or he may have a job but in any case his income is not counted towards her finances. If this couple were married they would not be getting any benefits so, of course, they will never marry. They can afford to live on her government benefits so his income can go towards booze, smokes, toys and vacations. Poverty is rough.


19 posted on 07/19/2011 7:59:10 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: kiki04

I know times are tough and some families are truly struggling to provide housing and food for themselves. These people need help from the government and/or charities.

I find it insulting/dishonest to include in the definition of “poverty” people who have homes, cell phones, big screen tvs with asses so fat they can’t walk to the corner and back. When some people are going hungry I refuse to call a fat person “poor.”


20 posted on 07/19/2011 7:59:39 AM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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To: kiki04
"Modern Poverty Includes A.C. and an Xbox"

Time for an activist group to sue for a realistic official definition of poverty.

21 posted on 07/19/2011 8:00:22 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: kiki04

Who among us doesn't have stories of being in the grocery store watching people with buying junk food with cash and then using WIC to buy their milk, bread, etc.?

Or, kids who receive free lunches who take expensive ballet classes?

Or people on welfare who have cable TV, a blu-ray player, a computer, and spend their days not looking for work, but playing on-line subscription games?

Or, people who exist on finding government program after government program to pay them to live without any accountability?

Or, senior citizens who are repeatedly given medical supplies even though they clearly express that they don't need them (and have family members there to back them up) by medical personnel that assure them it's OK since it's only the government's money.

The whole system is broken. It can't be scrapped over night, but the sooner it's started the better. Not raising the debt ceiling may be the best place to start.

22 posted on 07/19/2011 8:03:34 AM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: FourPeas

I’m very dubious about those stats.
Big screen tv at 18%?

Try 75%.


23 posted on 07/19/2011 8:05:20 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: svcw
if we give the poor everything they need or want

Can't be done. There isn't any upper limit on want or "need" (as in I need a car, health care, flatscreen tv, etc). You give the parasites one thing, and immediately they want more.

24 posted on 07/19/2011 8:06:09 AM PDT by from occupied ga (your own government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Very true. I know some of these people and to them gaming the system is just part of what is expected in life. Getting the most one can get from whomever is seen as an accomplishment worthy of bragging.


25 posted on 07/19/2011 8:07:08 AM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: P.O.E.

Kids on free breakfast/lunch get fed first. If there is enough, the other kids get to buy their meals. Most food is thrown away by kids on “free” lunch.


26 posted on 07/19/2011 8:09:58 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: FourPeas
The biggest Liberal I know is gainfully employed but claims to pay virtually no taxes. He has his own business and claims to write off so much stuff that last year he paid a total of $300 to Uncle Sam. And much of his income comes from subsidies related to "green technology", so his income goes up as gov't spending in this area grows. He's goes on great vacations and owns many toys. He's doing well -- probably because he's not paying the taxes I have to pay.

He laughs about it all the time. Very proud of himself. And if you show him a proposal for expansion of government, he is all for it, every time. Why not?? It's not going to cost him anything!

27 posted on 07/19/2011 8:11:48 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: AD from SpringBay

“And check out the shoes and the cell phones and the pants half down to the knees”

Those pants appear to defy gravity. Do they attach them to their underwear with velcro or something?


28 posted on 07/19/2011 8:13:07 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: kiki04
I had to tell my girls we could not buy them a DS for their birthday, because they are too expensive.

Goodwill for clothes, flea markets for tools and toys, coupon clipping for food. We know exactly how you feel. But we are raising our children to be self sufficient, hard working and honest. My kids go to church every Sunday. My daughter can shoot and my son knows how to live on what's in his backpack. They will be good employees, good citizens and good Christians.

The mom you referenced is not. She has crippled her children far more than she'll ever know. Don't envy them for what they get for free now, pity them for what they will become later.

29 posted on 07/19/2011 8:16:55 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: svcw
She had good company.
I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.

On the Price of Corn and Management of the Poor (29 November 1766)


30 posted on 07/19/2011 8:20:20 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: kiki04


31 posted on 07/19/2011 8:24:01 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: lonestar

We have a program that delivers free lunches to kids who would get free lunch during the school year.

Hello, it’s not like 100% of their parents are not on food stamps! They can’t even be expected to provide for their own kids when they are out of school.

We now have free breakfast in many districts, watch out we’ll probably start sending boxed dinners home as well so no child “will go to bed hungry”. Boo freaking hoo!


32 posted on 07/19/2011 8:25:45 AM PDT by GatorGirl (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Truth is a Weapon

The truth is that “the poor” are just a weapon of the communists to further their control/power goals.

This is why the real issues are never discussed, and if you try, you’re called a “racist” and told to shut up.


33 posted on 07/19/2011 8:27:31 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Pan_Yan

“The mom you referenced is not. She has crippled her children far more than she’ll ever know. Don’t envy them for what they get for free now, pity them for what they will become later.”

No, pity the rest of us as we pay ad naseum for their prison care, their free medical care, their disability, their food, their housing, the cost of policing for solving the crimes they do, the cost of their victims and on and on.


34 posted on 07/19/2011 8:31:38 AM PDT by cyberstoic
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To: kiki04
44 Million on Food Stamps, 50.1 Million on Welfare, (And growing daily) and each are given large cash allowances, unlimited food, Medical, vehicle, housing paid for and they even get free wide band Internet. They live better than we do.

And guess who they will vote for? No wonder Obama’s popularity is still way too high this late in the game.

35 posted on 07/19/2011 8:34:25 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Always Remember You're Unique.......(Just Like everyone Else.))
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To: Pan_Yan

You are doing far more to “help” your kids than any liberal who promotes the welfare state ever could or would.

I really despise sheeperals who promote the welfare state because they do it for no other reason than to make themselves feel good about themselves without actually expending any personal effort or sacrifice.

Did I mention I despise these non-thinking libs?
In case there’s a question, I despise them, yes indeed.


36 posted on 07/19/2011 8:34:47 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: GatorGirl
We have "churches" that provide lunches during the summer. By reputation, they rip off the government.

At election time the same "churches" have breakfast fund-raisers for Democrats.

No --it's just a pigment of our imaginaitons!--if you get my drift.

37 posted on 07/19/2011 8:40:01 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: kiki04

US poverty line is 20x world median income.

If you’re making more - a lot more - than half the people on the planet, you’re not poor.


38 posted on 07/19/2011 8:42:04 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Mrs. Frogjerk

Poor neighbors with Blackberries, Nintendo DSs, Dish Network, etc... PING


39 posted on 07/19/2011 8:54:36 AM PDT by frogjerk (Greedo did not shoot first.)
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To: GatorGirl

The federal govt has been driving a food truck out to the “poor” area of town where I live feeding the children. It’s teaching these kids to be dependent on government, like their pathetic parent(s). I’m sorry but these kids should know what it’s like to be hungry. I’m not saying they should starve to death but it would do them some good to know what it’s like to go without. My local rag ran a story on it last week and they tried to make it sound the greatest thing ever. I have never seen such enthusiasm for poverty. The friggin bread lines are forming and no one wants to acknowledge it.

Don’t even get me started on the abuse of WIC cards ....


40 posted on 07/19/2011 9:11:28 AM PDT by lwd
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To: Verbosus

Alot of interesting facts.
BOOKMARK for reference!


41 posted on 07/19/2011 9:12:04 AM PDT by MarineMom613 (RIP Sandra Sue, my fur baby 12/31/1999 ~ 7/2/2010 - See you on the other side!)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Nice. Love that quote. I think I'll put it on my FaceBook status.
My Mom was wise beyond her young years when she went to be with the Lord. She grounded her kids in conservative principles before it was even a topic of discussion. Oh, she died when she was 31, March 1959.
42 posted on 07/19/2011 9:14:02 AM PDT by svcw (democrats are liars, it's a given)
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To: Verbosus

Alot of interesting facts.
BOOKMARK for reference!


43 posted on 07/19/2011 9:19:15 AM PDT by MarineMom613 (RIP Sandra Sue, my fur baby 12/31/1999 ~ 7/2/2010 - See you on the other side!)
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To: Pan_Yan

I am with you. We are consignment sales/second hand stores for clothes, and are trying hard to teach the kids the value of money. I’m just upset our system allows for the “poor” to have more, at no expense to them, than the working class.


44 posted on 07/19/2011 9:37:37 AM PDT by kiki04 ("If a little knowledge is dangerous, where is a man who has so much as to be out of danger?" - THH)
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To: kcvl

“Luxuries for Leaches” Program


45 posted on 07/19/2011 9:39:21 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: lwd

I know, it’s always couched as “for the children” but there is plenty of private charity that will take care of the truly needy.

If we forced people to take responsibility for the numerous children they choose to have without any intention of providing for the children themselves I think the problem would solve itself.

I see people buying a cart or two of EBT groceries, a cart of beer and ciggies with cash and then separating out the milk and cheese and whipping out one of those freaking WIC checks every time I go to Wal Mart. Which always takes another 5 minutes to fill out. It’s sickening.


46 posted on 07/19/2011 9:44:32 AM PDT by GatorGirl (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: BlatherNaut

Good luck figuring out what “poverty” means at the Census Bureau...

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/methods/definitions.html

Whatever they want it to mean it seems...


47 posted on 07/19/2011 10:34:01 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: AD from SpringBay
It is amazing how comfortable those on welfare can be. That is the reason people won’t better themselves - they have enough and then some for free.

What is it that they need to improve? I mean, think about this for a second: they got housing, food, cell phones, free schooling, free breakfast, lunch and dinner (and often during NON-school months), free health care, free daycare to "look for a job" HA/HA - AND ALL THE FREE TIME TO ENJOY THESE ITEMS, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE TO GO TO WORK!!!

How do you "improve" on THAT lot in life? What could they do to "improve" that existence? WHY would they even want to try?
48 posted on 07/19/2011 10:38:13 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: kcvl

I see what you mean.

“Absolute vs. relative thresholds”, “average monthly poverty”, “episodic poverty”, etc. etc. etc... It’s too painful to attempt to decipher, and likely impossible anyway, LOL.

“Definitions
...”Absolute thresholds are fixed at a point in time and updated solely for price changes.... In contrast, relative thresholds, as commonly defined, are developed by reference to the actual expenditures (or income) of the population.”

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/methods/definitions.html


49 posted on 07/19/2011 10:49:04 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Pan_Yan

>>They will be good employees,<<

If that’s your measurement you need a sit down, a serious talking to about teaching entrepreneurial skills to your kids. The freedoms and financial benefits far outweigh being a number on a payroll list.


50 posted on 07/19/2011 11:02:40 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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