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More than 80 killed at youth camp - Police (Norway)
http://www.vg.no/ ^ | 22/7 2011

Posted on 07/22/2011 7:09:28 PM PDT by Eurotwit

Oslo Police having a press conference now.

Saying at least 80 kids have been massacred.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: breivik; massacre; norway; oslo
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To: Eurotwit

The police did their job. They put up a perimeter around the action to make sure no one got out. (Sort of like how they put a perimeter around Columbine high school and waited for the killers to kill themselves.)

What would you expect the cops to do? Engage the bad guys?

That would be dangerous. The bad guys will eventually run out of ammo or living targets.

It is science!

But, keep putting your faith in the cops to protect you and save you.


401 posted on 07/23/2011 7:15:37 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (We would all be better off if the federal government just decided to end itself.)
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To: RC one
This sounds like a terrorist act to me. It looks, sounds, and feels like a duck if you know what I mean.

How convenient that just a couple days ago, Homeland Security put out a video instructing us that the most likely terrorists are middle-class white people.

402 posted on 07/23/2011 7:19:28 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (We would all be better off if the federal government just decided to end itself.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

The police sat by and let the slaughter happen because they were afraid of explosives. Proud to Be and American! And home of the brave!!!!!


403 posted on 07/23/2011 7:21:41 AM PDT by PROTESTBYPROXY (We are manning up!!)
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To: LSUfan; TexasFreeper2009

He had served in the military for 1 year, when he was 18. Read it yesterday.


404 posted on 07/23/2011 7:58:23 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: bigdaddy45
"From what I read he was fed up with the Norwegian ruling-class’s refusal to confront the Muslim problem, so therefore he decided to kill THEIR children."
You seem to be right on the money. So few on FR seem to be able to put the pieces together. Unfortunately the aftermath of this atrocity will be exactly opposite to the political message he was trying to achieve. There will be ever more draconian anti-gun measures (I understand from these threads that Norway was fairly permissive on gun ownership - until NOW - by European standards.) Expect that to go out the window. Anyone daring to criticize Muslim immigration or the NEGATIVE aspects of multiculturalism shall be labeled a dangerous extremist from now on. And sympathy towards Socialist parties and their policies. Just watch and see.
405 posted on 07/23/2011 8:23:30 AM PDT by JadeEmperor
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To: caww
Re: the aerial photos. Do you know were they taken from a police plane or helicopter? Also, did the perp shoot at the plane and/or did the officers in the plane shoot at him?

I really appreciate all the information you have provided already and will also appreciate any further you can provide if you know. Thanks.

406 posted on 07/23/2011 10:33:11 AM PDT by Sal (Islamo Bamma is the star, writer, director and producer of AS THE WORLD BURNS.)
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To: Sal

Thank you.....The helicopter was not armed to fire at the perp. No he did not fire at it. That’s the news I have on that thus far...but dust still isn’t settled yet...I suspect things will come to gether more and more...


407 posted on 07/23/2011 11:05:08 AM PDT by caww
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To: JadeEmperor
From what I read he was fed up with the Norwegian ruling-class’s refusal to confront the Muslim problem, so therefore he decided to kill THEIR children

I'm not prepared to agree with that. First of all most people with political leanings, and activism, don't go shooting mass amounts of children..especially their own. Except for Islamic terrorists and nazi terrorists. His politics were far far too the right and why he could not get the notoriety he sought.

This guy was turned down for jobs he hoped for where he believed his opinions should bring him notoriety and an opportunity to advance his own personal cause, which was to be a leader. He became a target for those, whoever they are, who worked with him on this orchestrated happening.

Even the police say he could not have done this alone. I agree. There is far too much dis-information out there currently to make a true assessment IMO.

Remember this guy yelled out "This is only the beginning"...so who was he representing?

408 posted on 07/23/2011 11:15:28 AM PDT by caww
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To: LSUfan

I’m just saying because he was in the military he might have had special training with explosives.


409 posted on 07/23/2011 11:34:30 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: Niuhuru
"I think this is going to further the nationalistic cause more than anything else. There is no way that native Norweigans are going to let lily livered politicians get away with doing nothing or importing more Muslims."
How are you able to reach this conclusion? Everything I've seen points to the contrary. So far there is no indication the perp is a muslim, or associated with islam in any way. This is going to HURT the nationalist causes more than anything else. There are going to be pledges for more diversity, more multiculturalism and people who espouse views critical of immigration, multiculturalism and socialism will be labeled extremist and painted with a broad brush because of this guy. Mark my words.
410 posted on 07/23/2011 1:01:36 PM PDT by JadeEmperor
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To: caww
"I'm not prepared to agree with that. First of all most people with political leanings, and activism, don't go shooting mass amounts of children..especially their own. Except for Islamic terrorists and nazi terrorists. His politics were far far too the right and why he could not get the notoriety he sought."
While we should wait and see for more information to emerge, bloodletting by opposing political factions is not unheard of in Europe. Historically, atrocities have been committed against civilians from the "other" side, guilt by association. Think of the civil wars in Europe.
411 posted on 07/23/2011 2:04:23 PM PDT by JadeEmperor
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To: Myrddin; Elendur; no-to-illegals; All

A knowledgeable person told me today that it was interesting that his lily white photo was in the news so quickly. Apparently, the perp walk used in the US is very rare in Europe, with identity of criminals often not known until after the trial. Norway’s govt. must be very fearful of an anti-muslim backlash, and with good reason Based on population, their death toll is now more than twice our 9/11 deaths.


412 posted on 07/23/2011 2:09:40 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Zajko; All

This will probably get me flamed, but, do you have statistics on how many deaths Christianity has caused: Crusades, Albigensian Heresy, Spanish Inquisition, conquest of the New World by Spain to save the natives from paganism, Hundred Years War, Catholic vs Protestant wars in England and Europe? There is a reason our founding fathers kept religion out of government. With modern Christianity, hopefully we have evolved beyond this insanity. Unfortunately, Islam is about 300 or more years behind us.


413 posted on 07/23/2011 2:23:04 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: little jeremiah; All

Here is a link following newest info on this tragedy, with dozens of links to other news sources.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/23/oslo-bombing-anders-behring-brelvik-norwegian-suspect-fertilizer_n_907697.html?ncid=webmail3


414 posted on 07/23/2011 2:25:36 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: TexasFreeper2009; LSUfan; All

What was his MOS in the military? Might he have had contacts still in the military that enabled him to get the high energy explosives needed to detonate low energy explosives like fertilizer? What kind were his 3 legal guns? Are multi round automatics and semi-automatics allowed in Norway? Were any of them long guns and if so were this large magazine types?


415 posted on 07/23/2011 2:35:11 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

HufferPo?

Any murders/slaughters that have been perpetrated in the name of Christianity (falsely, since Jesus never taught to kill others because they believe slightly differently) pales in contrast to Islamij jihad, nonstop since 700 AD.


416 posted on 07/23/2011 2:37:12 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: cartan

I must have been looking at something truncated that mentioned Beslan that made it look like a lot fewer than this. But I went back and looked for a full article. It said 334 dead, including 186 children, hundreds more injured.


417 posted on 07/23/2011 2:37:55 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: gleeaikin

Apparently he had been in the military for one year, at age 18.


418 posted on 07/23/2011 2:39:14 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: gleeaikin

One link on HuffPo went here:

http://twitter.com/#!/ketilbstensrud/status/94870163056373762

BREAKING: Here you can download the Oslo/Utøya gunman’s manifest, in which he gives detailed account of planned attack. http://t.co/NlWlMcc
48 minutes ago via web

Then at the above link one has to then download the supposed manifesto, which I don’t want to do. He wrote/tweeted it in English? Have you seen it, any clues about it?


419 posted on 07/23/2011 2:53:38 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: gleeaikin
I think this was an assassination disguised as a mass murder. This guy has Lee Harvey written all over him.

But did he kill the specific target(s)?
420 posted on 07/23/2011 3:04:39 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: Eurotwit; wolficatZ

That is how I understood your post to mean as well. However I can see how you would have been misunderstood. In fact I had to read more of your posts to really grasp what you were trying to say. Lol, It was a pretty good thrashing you got from wolfictz. You are very gracious. I thought it was pretty funny. I appreciate freepers who really know how to give and take it. Carry on.
Ahoe.


421 posted on 07/23/2011 3:47:31 PM PDT by Boxsford (God Is.)
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To: aruanan
I went with the Wikipedia table:

Official fatalities
Hostages 334
Other people 10
Special forces 10+
Hostage-takers 31
Total 385+

I did not want to count the terrorists, so I subtracted them from the total.

422 posted on 07/23/2011 4:32:02 PM PDT by cartan
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To: little jeremiah
Then at the above link one has to then download the supposed manifesto, which I don’t want to do. He wrote/tweeted it in English? Have you seen it, any clues about it?
The link goes to a 1500+ page Word document. Opens without warnings from Word, or my anti-virus software. Very interesting stuff…
423 posted on 07/23/2011 4:48:07 PM PDT by cartan
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To: little jeremiah
The book contains a lot of different stuff. Apparently his own writings, then he pasted many Fjordman articles in there, but also articles by other people, like Melanie Phillips, for example. He praises Fjordman a lot.

Then there appears to be a diary, and texts about his experiments with making explosives. And an interview with himself.

And a video. The youtube link is already down, but this one still works. Contains pictures of templar knights, and himself, at the end. So, that’s what he thinks he is, eh?

424 posted on 07/23/2011 5:44:24 PM PDT by cartan
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To: cartan

This is amazingly horrible and will of course have the exact opposite effect of what he supposedly wanted.


425 posted on 07/23/2011 6:09:41 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
Yes, that seems likely. Oh dear…
426 posted on 07/23/2011 6:28:46 PM PDT by cartan
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To: cartan
I did not want to count the terrorists, so I subtracted them from the total.

Yeah, eff the terrorists. They got what they deserved, though a little too late and a little too gently by basically being stoned to death by that narcotic gas.
427 posted on 07/23/2011 8:33:24 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

“That’s gotta be the biggest mass shooting I’ve ever heard of (in terms of number of victims in one incident).”

Waco, Texas: The US government killed at least 74 people, vurned them alive and shot the survivors trying to flee.


428 posted on 07/24/2011 7:01:04 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: macquire

“living off oil”

Luddite. Liberal. Idiot.


429 posted on 07/24/2011 7:03:41 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: gleeaikin
What happened in Norway, to the children, is despicable and horrifying. I am praying for all, who are responsible, to be brought to justice, and they will be, for God only rests one day each week. And then there are time, where I believe, God never takes a full day off.
430 posted on 07/25/2011 5:46:04 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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