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Posted on 07/23/2011 1:39:46 AM PDT by quesney
The Norwegian police on Saturday charged a 32-year-old man, whom they identified as a Christian fundamentalist with right-wing connections, over the bombing of a government center here and a shooting attack on a nearby island that together left at least 91 people dead. Multimedia
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SCANPIX, via Associated Press Deadly explosions shattered windows on Friday at the government headquarters in Oslo, which includes the prime ministers office. A spokeswoman for Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg said he was safe. More Photos » The police said they did not know if the man, identified in the Norwegian press as Anders Behring Breivik, was part of a larger conspiracy. He is being questioned under the countrys terrorism laws and is cooperating with the investigation, they said.
We are not sure whether he was alone or had help, a police official, Roger Andresen, said at a televised press conference, adding: What we know is that he is right-wing and a Christian fundamentalist. So far Mr. Breivik has not been linked to any anti-jihadist groups, he said.
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Sorry, I read that wrong. The perp was apparently only RENTING the farm. The farm owner was the one arrested for growing marijuana and is in prison.
ping to news in post 328
Well, I thought the other post with the picture of the cowardly police hiding, waiting for the gunman to run out of ammo was a sickening picture...
But your pic #2 tops that one.
How incredibly sad.
That one made the tears flow.
A Prayer for all the children “Lord, accept these innocent lambs into the gates of Heaven and give them eternal peace,Amen.”
I wouldn't put it past the globalists to pull a stunt like the stadium shooting in your first book in order to get global gun control on the fast track since the US Senate has been most uncooperative in that arena as of yesterday it seems...
The UN Global Gun Control treaty will pass or fail with or without the help of the U.S. Senate. It will likely now pass the U.N. on a fast track basis with this massacre that just happened in Norway. And pass with severe restritions on private gun ownership for any nation that adopts this treaty.
However, like you alluded to, yesterday, 51 U.S. Senators pledged not to ratify any UN Small Arms/Gun Control Treaty that has any provisions that effect private ownership of firearms.
For any UN Small Arms/Gun Control Treaty to take any effect or become the law in the United States, it must be ratified by the U.S. Senate and ratification for any treaty requires the votes of 2/3 of the Senate or 67 Senators to approve the treaty, per the U.S. Constitution. That is not taking into effect any court challenges against this treaty challenging the constitutionality of this treaty as to it's effect on the 2nd amendment.
Right now, 51 Senators are publicly on board as opposing any UN Treaty that adversly effects the 2nd Amendment or civilian ownership of small arms, well short of the 67 required for any UN Treaty to become law here. So the UN can pass any gun control treaty they wish, it will have no effect on civilian gun owners within the United States unless it is ratified by the U.S. Senate.
Just like the Kyoto treaty, it will not become law here unless it is ratified by the Senate. A few of those 51 Senators may go wobbly because of the Norway tragedy, but there will still be over 40 who will never ratify this treaty, more than enough to stop this UN treaty from becoming law here.
I too have read all three books of Travis' (Matt's) 'Enemies, Foreign and Domestic' series. I do not feel that this tragedy will have any serious consequences on domestic U.S. Gun Laws, since it happened overseas. If it happened here on U.S. Soil, who knows.
Obama and his ilk may try some more administrative gun control actions, but I do not forsee any new gun control laws coming out of either house of Congress over this. Heck, in light of 'Fast and Furious/Gunwalker', if Obama and his ilk to try to enact more gun control via exexutive order, they will have to answer to an angry and sceptical Congress.
This Norwegian massacre will certainly hearten the gun grabbers in this country to step up their efforts, but will have no effect on this congress.
Could be there was a little more significance to the date.
We’ll find out later that it has the fingerprints of the religion of pieces all over it. But whoever gets the first word wins, so of course they’re saying it was done by a right wing christian. Let me guess, they arrived at the brilliant conclusion because he attended a christian church once at the age of 5.
Funny that you have to access the African website to get the muslim connection. Here, it’s all: white guy, christian, right-wing....
I'd been curious about what this guy did for a living as nothing had been said. Then reports mentioned "a farm owned by" the shooter. Later I'd heard on Sky News that he is from a prominent family and "very wealthy".
Once someone is identified, we usually hear their occupation. The info might change, but it sounds like at this point that this guy had money and property and no full time occupation.
Norway suspect ( snip) was a member of Nazi web forum
NEWS.COM.AU ^ | AAP July 24, 2011 12:59AM | AAP July 24, 2011 12:59AM
“I dont care what the guy is, this has absolutely nothing to do with right wingers in America in any way, shape, or form.”
Have you tried telling that to some of your lefty friends who are on a steady diet of the MSM kool-aid?
Wow, grey_whiskers! You actually turned a thread that discusses a terrorist attack in Norway and the possibility of muslim involvement and whether Christians and Muslims "were all alike" into a comment about "scoring with Sarah Palin".
Is that what you obsess about, grey_whiskers?
Thinking that you have a "chance" of "scoring with Sarah Palin"?
Is that what you think about when you fall asleep and are dreaming about when you wake up?
Dreaming that you have a "chance" of "scoring with Sarah Palin"?
Is that what you are still dreaming about at noon as you read about a Norwegian terrorist attack?
"Scoring with Sarah Palin"?
You know, grey_whiskers, you might want to talk to a psychiatrist about the benefits of finding yourself a girlfriend whose last name is not "Sarah.jpg"
In the mean time, since you are a Sarah Palin fan and believe that that "you have a chance to score with Sarah Palin" go back to your erotic fantasies about that married woman.
Just don't act out your fantasies and travel to Alaska, grey_whiskers. Todd Palin has a gun and he probably would not appreciate some pervert thinking that he has "a chance" to "score" with his wife just because the pervert wants her to run for President.
[ Here is Osama bin Laden’s niece, Wafah Dufour, posing for GQ Magazine. ]
The hook in her nose is hidden quite skillfully.. nice shoot..
Turn her sideways and she would look like a Zipper..
“Christian fundamentalist”....By his actions, obviously he’s not. I can call myself a martian as well, doesn’t mean it’s true.
Quisling is still alive and well in Norway
Vidkun Quisling was chief Nazi collaborator in Norway during WWII
Something rotten in Norway
by Manfred Gerstenfeld
Monday March 28, 2011
“People told me when I came to Norway that the country has a long tradition of anti-Semitism. They were wrong. It is not history. It is happening here and now. Top Harvard lawyer Alan Dershowitz had excellent reasons to make this statement when he visited Norway...
Norwegian society is dominated by a left of center elite group of politicians, journalists, academics, NGOs and some bishops. Among these elites one finds many anti-Israeli hate mongers, obsessed with a small country thousands of kilometers away. One among many examples of how distorted the views of this elite group is that 9% of Norwegian journalists voted for the minute extreme left Red party. Almost none however, support the pro-Israeli Progress party, one of the two major opposition parties, or the smaller Christian Democrats.
“The Big Lie of the late 20th century was that Nazism was Rightist. It was in fact typical of the Leftism of its day. It was only to the Right of Stalin’s Communism. The very word “Nazi” is a German abbreviation for “National Socialist” (Nationalsozialist) and the full name of Hitler’s political party (translated) was “The National Socialist German Workers’ Party” (In German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei)” - Dr. John Joseph Ray http://jonjayray.comuv.com/main.html
The fake FB page you mean.
Yesterday, July 22, 2011, 51 U.S. Senators publicly went on record as opposing the ratification of any U.N. Small Arms/Gun Control Treaty that contained provisions restricting the civilian or private ownership of firearms and/or adversly effecting the 2nd Amendment. (Link Below)
Now, a few of those 51 Senators may go wobbly over what happened in Norway, but I fell that there will still be over 40 who will never vote to ratify any UN Treaty that contains provisions for restricting the 2nd Amendment/private or civilian ownership of firearms. As of now, if this treaty passes the UN with any restrictions (major or minor) on private/civilian ownership of firearms, it will be DOA in the Senate and not become law here.
As you may be aware, for any treaty to be ratified by the U.S. Senate, it requires 2/3 of the U.S. Senate to approve the treaty, or 67 Senators. So the UN can pass any Gun Control Treaty they wish, it will have no effect within the United States unless or until the U.S. Senate ratifies this. This does not take into account court challenges to any potential gun control treaty, challenging it on a constitutional basis.
I’ve been reading all his comments on various sites he visited. They guy is not stupid by any means, and appears to have an ordered an disciplined mind in what he believes politically. But I am unconvinced he is a Christian, rather he purposed using the church as an ally for political gain.
Also comes across as an activist....so the question remains...how did these play into his actions of killing? At what point does ones reasoning ability shift as his did, to that of taking life?
The perp was renting a farm. So what was the perp’s occupation?
But this looks like a Norwegian Tim McVeigh including National Alliance type affections and pre Christian pagan lore desires.
Crazy as hell but in the same knarr....
He or he and his accomplices must have been very determined to basically hunt down and murder children like that. That rivals SS personal kills in such a short period.
I can't imagine...people who think evil does not inhabit the human form are naive.
Yes...this will hurt us...it doesn't matter if it's fair.
This is the age of perception and hurling smears.
And attacks like this or McVeigh is why liberals so fear anything they perceive as right wing. Folks perceived as white right wingers are scary..because we have higher expectations of civility.
That is why we look at Nazis as scarier than commissars.
We expect civilized white people to be well...civilized.
Angry deranged whites are indeed capable monsters...and that scares the others..
What a tragedy...poor families
Murdering children proves this demon was not a Christian, but the servants of the lie must make their lies grow don’tchaknow.
I don’t believe he is a nazi. Just a lone crazy very very smart guy. Our government building is in ruins. He wanted to kill the government. And he killed lots of young socialists. 80 kids slaughtered. I hate to say that this is a rigtht wing extremist. but it it. :(This is one of our guys, Please accept it.!
It is really sad how many liberals almost seem giddy that 90 people are dead just so they can post on CNN “ah ha, he was a Teabagger lol”
When a right-winger does something bad, I am just as angry as if it were a Muslim. Though this guy was a Nazi.....he was WAY WAY WAY right almost to the point of being extreme left.
Breivik was repeatedly critical of Nazis in his Document.no posts, for what it’s worth:
“For me it is very hypocritical to treat Muslims, Nazis and Marxists differ. They are all supporters of hate-ideologies. Not all Muslims, Nazis and Marxists are conservative, most are moderate. But does it matter? A moderate Nazi might, after having experienced fraud, choose to be conservative. A moderate Muslim can, after being refused to enter a club, be conservative, etc.
It is obvious that the moderate supporters of hate-ideologies, at a later date may choose conservatism.
Islam (ism) has historically led to 300 million deaths
Communism has historically led to 100 million deaths
Nazism has historically led to 6-20 million deaths
ALL hate ideologies should be treated equally.”
But if there is more to this, then we may be getting our info from a gov't that could benefit in some way from this carnage. And if so, then we can't trust the info.
Less than 100 died. While a lot, that's not a few thousand and fewer than an airline disaster.
“A third degree Mason.....of course theyve issued a statment that they cannot speak about anything concerning this man. Which is generally a level most can reach easily...and designed so they can do just that. But he would have had to go thru their rituals/rites...which themselves are pretty morbid.”
What this individual did goes against every tenet of Freemasonry. Obviously, you speak of Freemasonry through total ignorance. Are you related, by chance, to someone in the White House?
Have you read any of MestaMachine’s comments?
Here is one, she is on this:
Comment by MestaMachine on this thread:
Here is something overlooked. It might seem minor, but the guy had sympathy for iran and the shia. shia=hizbullah. Against wahabi islam or saudi arabia. THIS is a connection I would jump on with both feet since it was NORWAY that gave asylum to a very high rankng iranian cabinet official who defected to the west that ticked iran off no end.
I have never understood why the West focus so disproportionately on Iran and so little on the Wahhabi Saudi leadership, which after all is the most dangerous and most powerful Muslim central power. We should, of course, as soon as the bombing suspect their facilities but otherwise focus much more on Saudi. Could it be something that Iran is not a major oil exporter?
Shias make up a relatively small proportion of Muslims and has absolutely no influence on the Sunnis.
I would actually argue that we undermine our own interests by unilaterally attacking the only relatively weak alternative to Sunni Islam. If Iran falls to Wahhabi position strengthened considerably, since they have no competitors.
We should not forget that Saudi Arabia and several other Sunni Muslim countries want to destroy Iran. Nor is Iran that has built 300-500 Wahhabi centers around around Europe of the finances only 2 of 30 Jihad Fronts around the around the world.
And this article recently posted but I don’t have the FR link to the thread:
At least two terrorists behind Norwegian youth camp massacre - witnesses
Hi Mesta....I was just reading thru his documents and comments on various sites. I would agree he seemed to sympathize with Iran and the shia....but overall he was very much involved, if only active in his mind, with political manuvering and attempts to motivate those who are active..both on line and otherwise it appears.
He was disgusted at various times that his ideas and comments were not taken serious enough for various news and political entities to hire him...or at least give him a public say.
He metioned writing a book he was going to publish as well...
I dont know about this character Mesta...but I would assume since he did not get the notoriety he was seeking and thought deserving of he was going to get the attention this way....but the questions still remain...who helped him? This operation just seemed too big for one man without some others at least aware something was amiss...or in fact a part of it.
No one seems to mention the Free Mason Regalia.
>>I hate that this is a right wing anti Muslim guy. But it is the Truth.
NORWAY WAS ATTACKED BY RIGHT WING EXTREMIST!!! <<
Why are you so desperate to have everyone believe that?
It’s like you have your mind made up, no matter what facts come to light. Weird.
early reports are normally wrong. Take a moment and let the dust settle.
Yeah, I don’t think Christianity was at the center of Breivik’s worldview or thought - he mostly talks about it in terms of needing to protect Christianity, in a cultural sense, from Marxism and Islam.
However, he asserted he was a member of a church:
“I myself am a Protestant and baptized / confirmed to me by my own free will when I was 15
But today’s Protestant church is a joke. Priests in jeans who march for Palestine and churches that look like the minimalist shopping centers. I am a supporter of an indirect collective conversion of the Protestant church back to the Catholic. In the meantime, I vote for the most conservative candidates in church elections.
The only thing that can save the Protestant church is to go back to basics.”
>>NORWAY WAS ATTACKED BY RIGHT WING EXTREMIST!!! <<
Well, you did use all-caps. So I guess it must be so.
... and why is this scumbag still alive? Why wasn't he taken out?
Sorry, this guy has posted on at least one Nazi forum (or at least it appears so). This is not one of our guys, not even remotely close. There is absolutely nothing in conservative ideology that would give someone this type impulse. Also, he might be part of some Christian identity movement but that is 180 degrees out of sync with Christianity. They do nothing but appropriate the term Christian for their purposes and cover.
There’s a lot to be learned about this guy, but one thing for certain is he’s not Christian, nor is he conservative. That’s nothing more than a purposeful, convenient, fabricated storyline.
The latter might actually have been a good idea if it had stopped him. Of course, if somehow you missed him you would be dead for nothing.
There was a lot of “Second shooter” talk right after the Virginia Tech massacre, too. There wasn’t one, of course.
You might want to reconsider your comment. I know more than plenty about Freemasonry and your comment lends me to believe you may be one of their latest victims, for the average inquirer would quickly be able to see Masons are an organization front with a very dark side.....now how would I know that unless familiar with those who have 'escaped' Freemasonry, as well as other "credentials" for speaking my mind about it.
Freemasonry is a cult with a business and semi-religious bent, often using Christian language initially... in which they use to recruit individuals...A third degree Mason is little advancement and fully understood by the upper echelons of the organizations.....these "low-boys" are kept as means of filling the coffers of the higher up....recruitment is necessary as there as been an enormous "Exodus" from Freemasonry...they cannot attract the masses they once did as all the secrecy is pretty much known and published now....and it's a cult.
The fact you cannot yet identify what Freemasonry is really about could say you have not advanced very far...or that you are so far advanced you are protecting the organization. Either way you appear be to be in it...to your own demise if you continue.
This is the media's way of saying "neo-nazi Aryan nationalist" so they can lump all of us in with murdering scumbags.
At least two terrorists behind Norwegian youth camp massacre - witnesses
It’s posted now on FR but I don’t know where.
I believe the assertion is that he joined such a forum; don't know if he ever posted.
But his posts on the Norwegian equivalent of FR (compiled by the forum itself, perhaps hundreds over a two-year period) would not be remotely out of place here. Basically he talks about the Muslim, Marxist,and multiculturalism threat, the bias/conspiracy of the media supporting those threats, etc. etc.
Sounds like the “US policy impact” was the aftermath of Oklahoma City. Norway is not the US. Napolitano and her boss can try a big power grab, but I don’t think it will get a very good popular reception. I think people are getting sick and tired of the government’s abuses of rights for the sake of the “WoT”.
RIGHT WING CHRISTIAN EXTREMIST BLUE EYED BLOND HAIRED FUNDAMENTALIST is what the press has been screaming from the start.
Similar to what they did with Jared Loughner. They even called Lee Harvey Oswald a right-winger, which turned out to be a lie.
I invite everyone to slow down a minute, don’t hysterically jump on the bandwagon, use the common sense God gave a chicken, and remember the history of the media.
It may save you from looking very stupid later.
BTW, did you see that he was on Nazi websites? That is not “right wing.” All signs do NOT point to “right wing extremism.” Pay attention and quit hyperventilating.
Belonging to a church today is not what it once entailed. It’s become very worldly in every respect and therefore lost it’s rightful place as a lighthouse to the world. It’s become dark in many ways though has an appearance of light.
Many churches have become political and certainly gravitated to being overcome by the homosexual agenda. Look at Rev. Wright’s “church” and so many others like his...as well the “motivational/success” entities calling themselves a church. Power hungry and constantly in “reformed” mode.
Not to mention the catholic church and others like who are all being infilitrated. God said clean house...few who are doing enough to rid it of the stench and so it’s decaying from within. So I cannot agree the catholic church is the way to go....rather people need to get back to the ‘centrality of Jesus Christ’....then the church can flourish...but I fear those days are in the past now as we head down the road spoken of.
God said this would happen...I just didn’t expect to see it in my day.