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Death Toll Rises to 91 in Norway
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Posted on 07/23/2011 1:39:46 AM PDT by quesney

The Norwegian police on Saturday charged a 32-year-old man, whom they identified as a Christian fundamentalist with right-wing connections, over the bombing of a government center here and a shooting attack on a nearby island that together left at least 91 people dead. Multimedia

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SCANPIX, via Associated Press Deadly explosions shattered windows on Friday at the government headquarters in Oslo, which includes the prime minister’s office. A spokeswoman for Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg said he was safe. More Photos » The police said they did not know if the man, identified in the Norwegian press as Anders Behring Breivik, was part of a larger conspiracy. He is being questioned under the country’s terrorism laws and is cooperating with the investigation, they said.

“We are not sure whether he was alone or had help,” a police official, Roger Andresen, said at a televised press conference, adding: “What we know is that he is right-wing and a Christian fundamentalist.” So far Mr. Breivik has not been linked to any anti-jihadist groups, he said.

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To: marthemaria

>>This is one of our guys, Please accept it.!<<

One of OUR guys? Speak for yourself. You’re speaking like a troll.

What is your agenda?


401 posted on 07/23/2011 10:07:58 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
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To: no-to-illegals
the last ruling by the Supreme Court was 5 - 4 regarding the right to keep and bear arms by the citizens. 4 of the Supreme Court justices went against the Constitution just last year and voted (technically) to abolish the 2nd Amendment. This is what I recall. Someone please correct me, if this (the Supreme Court's decision) could be interpreted another way.

no-to-illegals, I believe you are correct that the DC gun ban was thrown out and that 2nd amendment rights trump local gun control laws was upheld by only a 5 to 4 ruling in the Supreme Court. As you alluded to, 4 of the justices already voted against the 2nd amendment. Yes, we may only be one justice away from tyranny on many levels.

If any UN gun control treaty were ever to become ratified by the U.S. Senate (that requires 2/3 of the Senate to ratify any treaty) and we had this current makeup of Supreme Court Justices, there is a decent chance the treaty and our obligations to it would be thrown out as unconstitutional dues to the treaty's trumping the 2nd amendment of the U.S. Constitution and possibly other constitutional articles/sections or amendments.

If you were to replace any of the 4 conservative justices or justice Kennedy with an Obama appointee, then this treaty would likely be upheld as the law of the land should it ever become ratified by the Senate. Of course, a Supreme Court with 5 liberal/marxist justices would not need a UN treaty to gut or eliminate our 2nd amendment, they would do that on their own with the next gun rights case to reach them.

402 posted on 07/23/2011 10:10:51 AM PDT by dsm69
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To: Strategerist; little jeremiah; MestaMachine; caww
TY for that. I was about to refer you to MestaMachine's post, but then saw Little Jeremiah has already done so.

I am just reading and collecting information.

I have not formed a conclusion about what this murderer is all about or what his motives were, but unless he was deranged (and, in the psychiatric sense, I have not yet seen evidence of that), what I can conclude with confidence is that he was NOT a Christian in the Biblical sense, let alone a fundamentalist Christian.

MSM is not interested in this "minor" incidental, except to make sure it is splashed prominently in every article published about him.

Aside from the new FB page, the only other evidence I have seen is this:

Internet source

2009-12-09 17:14:41

I myself am a Protestant and baptized / confirmed to me by my own free will when I was 15
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I tend to agree more with the opinion of caww, in post 368:

But I am unconvinced he is a Christian, rather he purposed using the church as an ally for political gain.

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Until there is more information available about his "christian" self-identification, i.e., 1) what were his beliefs about Jesus; 2)where did he attend church, 3) how often, 4) what were his Bible-reading/study habits, 5) what was the nature of his prayer life, I will maintain that this murderer had no true concept of Christian and was not, in the Biblical sense (there is no there other), a Christian.

403 posted on 07/23/2011 10:12:47 AM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: caww
God said this would happen...I just didn’t expect to see it in my day.

The devil is always there to surprise us with the devil being in the details. Neither did I suspect I would see it in my day.

404 posted on 07/23/2011 10:12:57 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: RockinRight

“Have they already discounted the possibility that he may just be a crazy lunatic and there’s nothing more to it than that?”

Won’t sell. “Christian fundamentalist” will.


405 posted on 07/23/2011 10:12:57 AM PDT by jivin gene (Breakin' up is hard to do)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
But whoever gets the first word wins

Not always. The first, second and third word on TWA 800 was terrorism. The New York Times ran the PETN and RDX residue discovery on page one. For about a month it was, for the most part, presumed to be a terrorist act.

Then Richard Clarke invented the magic exploding center fuel tank theory -- a freak occurrence that's only happened three times in aviation history (Bangkok/Manilla/NYC), all in incidents where islamic terrorism was highly suspected, it should be noted.

406 posted on 07/23/2011 10:14:47 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
Just a shocked Norwegian. Reading terrible news reports. I Wish he was not a Norwegian left winger. But he hated Muslims and the socialist government. He was really evil and killed 80 young kids at camp. But still everything points that he is the lone gunman , and that he is anti- Islam and immigration. It does not seem that this was a international muslim attack. (which is strange)
407 posted on 07/23/2011 10:15:05 AM PDT by marthemaria (ihttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2537252/reply?c=147)
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To: Dengar01

The FB is bogus.


408 posted on 07/23/2011 10:15:41 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: dsm69
Yes, we may only be one justice away from tyranny on many levels.

and I will pray that we will always be at least one justice or more away from tyranny. God may it be so. Amen.

409 posted on 07/23/2011 10:16:33 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: MestaMachine; All

Copying so people will see.


BTW, in case anyone missed it, the fertilizer they say was delivered to his farm is STILL THERE. The police located it and except for what was used on his farm, it is all there.


410 posted on 07/23/2011 10:18:43 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: marthemaria
This is one of our guys

You're either a blithering idiot or a paid troll. "One of our guys"? Seriously, go to hell.

411 posted on 07/23/2011 10:20:05 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: MestaMachine
I recognize that islam is incompatible with America and freedom.

But millions of people don't yet realize the truth.

412 posted on 07/23/2011 10:22:45 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: marthemaria
...I hate to say that this is a rigtht wing extremist. but it it. :(This is one of our guys, Please accept it.!...

"right wing" in Norway is basically centrist here. He had been a member of the Progress Party which adheres to, according to Wikipedia, "populism" and "conservative liberalism".

413 posted on 07/23/2011 10:22:53 AM PDT by FReepaholic (Land of the free my @ss)
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To: caww

Getting some feedback now. But these personality traits are the same as all the other characters. Persecuted. Unappreciated. Humiliated. “Deserved” more respect. When you hang out on forums, and you exhibit these tendencies, you show vulnerability. You are ripe for exploitation...either by the far left, which I am being told is absolutely plausible here for various reasons and at high levels, and by islamists recruiting for jihad using taqyya or other means.
I am being told that a possible leftist crackdown on what we would call conservatives has passed the talking stage...that the hard left has joined forces with islamists to stop the conservative movements in Europe and Scandinavia because they fear these movements are growing too fast, becoming too popular, and will force them out of power.
If this is true, and I’m told by some the fear is there, then this is just a prelude to what is coming. There and here. Conservatives will find themselves being hit from every possible direction.


414 posted on 07/23/2011 10:22:56 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
Oh come on don`t be so literal. He was a right wing,christian , anti muslim,immigration, socialism etc. That was my point. I struggle to write good English though so I understand that I might not express my self correctly
415 posted on 07/23/2011 10:23:26 AM PDT by marthemaria (ihttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2537252/reply?c=147)
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To: thouworm

Given his age it’s possible (but a bit later than normal) he’s had a first paranoid schizophrenic break, which took his apparently fairly mainstream and non-violent conservative political views and twisted them into an obsession against the Norwegian Labour Party; however, the level of his personal planning and organization in the attacks seems to be a bit unrealistic for the condition; however, there are always exceptions and outlier cases in mental illness.


416 posted on 07/23/2011 10:23:43 AM PDT by Strategerist (There is only so much stupidity one man can prevent - Andrew Marshall)
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To: grey_whiskers
How does one find out from Facebook, the IP address of the computer from which a new Facebook account was set up...?

Probably need a subpoena for that. International involvement can also muck things up as well.

417 posted on 07/23/2011 10:23:54 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: marthemaria

Any “info” on his Face Book page is bogus - fake, planted, he probably didn’t even put it there and if he did, it was to paint a picture.


418 posted on 07/23/2011 10:24:34 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: marthemaria

>> I hate to say that this is a rigtht wing extremist. but it it. :(This is one of our guys, Please accept it.!

Get lost, dirtbag.


419 posted on 07/23/2011 10:24:58 AM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: caww

What the hell are you smokin’?


420 posted on 07/23/2011 10:25:52 AM PDT by jivin gene (Breakin' up is hard to do)
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To: little jeremiah

Which is why I’m ignoring his facebook and only looking at his zillions of posts on document.no. They’re in Norwegian (but google translate is amazing) but the media is obviously going to obsess about Facebook and not bother wading through the document.no posts.


421 posted on 07/23/2011 10:26:22 AM PDT by Strategerist (There is only so much stupidity one man can prevent - Andrew Marshall)
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To: quesney

A sad, horror story. Shows to me the need for us to be armed.


422 posted on 07/23/2011 10:26:42 AM PDT by Jane Austen (Boycott the Philadelphia Eagles!)
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To: little jeremiah
...BTW, in case anyone missed it, the fertilizer they say was delivered to his farm is STILL THERE. The police located it and except for what was used on his farm, it is all there....

Norwegian news reports that only 3 tons remain at the farm:

http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/07/23/nyheter/innenriks/terror/utoya/17428047/

423 posted on 07/23/2011 10:27:34 AM PDT by FReepaholic (Land of the free my @ss)
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To: FReepaholic; MestaMachine

You can ask MM about her source of that info, I just copied MM’s comment.


424 posted on 07/23/2011 10:29:22 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: marthemaria
He was a right wing,christian , anti muslim,immigration, socialism

You've already posted this over 30 times in the last 24 hours. We get it. You're buying the media meme hook, line and sinker.

Except the part about him posting on a neo-Nazi terrorist website. You're not buying into that part at all. I wonder why.

425 posted on 07/23/2011 10:29:22 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: MestaMachine
I am being told that a possible leftist crackdown on what we would call conservatives has passed the talking stage...that the hard left has joined forces with islamists to stop the conservative movements in Europe and Scandinavia because they fear these movements are growing too fast, becoming too popular, and will force them out of power.

Mesta, your thoughts are my thoughts. I normally cannot express, my thoughts, clearly. You have. Thank You!

426 posted on 07/23/2011 10:29:49 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: MestaMachine
"a possible leftist crackdown on what we would call conservatives has passed the talking stage...that the hard... 'left has joined forces with islamists'.... to stop the conservative movements in Europe and Scandinavia...... because they fear these movements are growing too fast, becoming too popular, and will force them out of power. If this is true, and I’m told by some the fear is there, then this is just a prelude to what is coming. There and here. Conservatives will find themselves being hit from every possible direction.

Oh I certainly agree Mesta....additionally even Democrates here in the US have allied with Muslims, though I believe they are under seriousy blindness to the fact they aren't leading the Muslims as they think...rather Muslims are "allowing" them to think as they might just to stay and retain their positions.....a holding pattern, if you will.

427 posted on 07/23/2011 10:31:54 AM PDT by caww
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To: little jeremiah

Hope so. But I don’t know what is happening. He seems to be a right wring guy. I am listening to Norwegian breaking news for hours. All the newspapers are reporting this it is horrific anyway. But it seems the motive was right wring related. 80 Kids died and this is the perp, am I not allowed to be scared?.


428 posted on 07/23/2011 10:32:14 AM PDT by marthemaria (ihttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2537252/reply?c=147)
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To: no-to-illegals; MestaMachine

Combine that with the UN’s overtures about applying International gun law at the national level.

Just wait for the jackass to chime in.


429 posted on 07/23/2011 10:32:25 AM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: dsm69

I agree. But it will be used by the enemie of freedom as one more stock talking point against gun freedom. It will also be used by the TSA/DHS as an excuse for more random searches of all people.


430 posted on 07/23/2011 10:33:11 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: jivin gene
Zip it because those tactics don't work here. I know what I'm talking about regarding Freemasonry. So if I'm wrong then prove it and we'll debate the truth.
431 posted on 07/23/2011 10:35:07 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww
a method known as, unwilling to give up attained ground As the perceived enemy gains ground, there would be only one option available. Yes, this may be the wholly near truth of what is being done, via propaganda, misinformation, and deception, by the true enemies of freedom.
432 posted on 07/23/2011 10:35:43 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: little jeremiah
That's interesting. The fertilizer story fit right in with the lone, right wing extremist storyline. See how dangerous individuals can be when give access to guns, ammo and bomb making materials.

I'm still very unconvinced one guy could accomplish all that's been done without being detected. You need a network, support and cover to pull these things off. The same individual trying to accomplish all these tasks from procurement, to assembly, to placement all without detection and then execution so flawlessly would be nearly impossible.

I'm glad he's still alive. I just hope that he and this investigation are handled in a competent manner.

433 posted on 07/23/2011 10:37:02 AM PDT by bereanway
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

This reminds me of an incident that happened in NYC about 20 yrs ago. Badlands, a notorious gay bar in the West Village was shot up by some nutcasae. About 10 people were injured, miraculously no one was killed. The media went into a feeding frenzy when it was revealed the suspect was the son of an NYPD chaplain. That is until his mug shot was released and it turned out to be a Black guy. All of a sudden it was “nothing to see here, move on”.


434 posted on 07/23/2011 10:38:39 AM PDT by Impala64ssa
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leaving to perform family functions. Love all of you!

Sometimes the truth does see the light of day, though sometimes the truth has to wait till be following day.

435 posted on 07/23/2011 10:39:02 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Strategerist
Given his age it’s possible (but a bit later than normal) he’s had a first paranoid schizophrenic break, which took his apparently fairly mainstream and non-violent conservative political views and twisted them into an obsession against the Norwegian Labour Party; however, the level of his personal planning and organization in the attacks seems to be a bit unrealistic for the condition; however, there are always exceptions and outlier cases in mental illness.

Well said, and a rational voice on a day when such is in short supply.

I remember a largely forgotten case in the middle of the 20th century where a deranged individual saved up or created explosives and attacked a school with severe casualties. It also combined elements of insanity and long-term planning. Rare, but it happens.

436 posted on 07/23/2011 10:39:12 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: marthemaria
I am listening to Norwegian breaking news FOR HOURS

Well therein is your problem with understanding what's really going on. MSM is feeding your brain, FOR HOURS, and your sucking it right down.

You really need to look at what Freepers are writing about....they too have sources...often far more reliable than the MSM.

437 posted on 07/23/2011 10:39:17 AM PDT by caww
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To: FReepaholic

I google mapped it and those were the options it gave me, a small island in the north, along the west coast of Norway. That seemed impossible to me, but with the media one can never know. Facts are changed, lies are told, facts are omitted, lies are given as facts...

Thanks for clearing this up.


438 posted on 07/23/2011 10:41:28 AM PDT by FarRightFanatic (It wasn't an election. It was a socialist coup.)
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To: Polybius
Looks like a direct hit on your sore spot.

Target!

("Jack in the box.")

Cheers!

439 posted on 07/23/2011 10:45:59 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: demshateGod

Funny you should mention that.

I was thinking of it earlier, and the very underreported large brain tumor the shooter had.
Not known about the first day, rarely mentioned since being discovered.

I wonder, does this monster also have a medical condition?


440 posted on 07/23/2011 10:59:29 AM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: FReepaholic

Source says 6 tona were delivered, and three were used in this blast. Three remain at his farm. What I first posted was the available info from way earlier this AM by wire. Been on the phone since 5 AM my time trying to get the straight dope from people who know stuff and things from the inside.
This guy is as “christian” as how we would see the christian identity groups here in the US...which is to say, not at all...a perversion.
He has confessed to doing “some shooting”. Also, the fact that he belonged to a “gun club” has been made much of in the press, but in Norway, belonging to a gun club is a prequisite for owning more than a certain number of firearms and to own machine guns requires not only that you belong to a gun club, but you have to be registered and certified, if that’s the right word, as a marksman. I know quite a few who are authorized for these weapons. So it isn’t unusual at all.


441 posted on 07/23/2011 11:04:39 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: jacquej

Google maps estimates 36-48 minutes to drive just to the ferry from Oslo. So from the map, it looks like it’s just over 1000 feet off the coast. The ferry couldn’t have been more than 5 or 10 minutes.

That gives him anywhere from 40-60 minutes from the time the bombs went off. Theoretically, plenty of time for him to do this all himself, but I have read an article that states that there was shooting coming from two separate places on the island at the exact same time. It appears that Breivik had an accomplice. I wonder if this person could be among those that had been at the camp as campers and was then evacuated out as a victim.


442 posted on 07/23/2011 11:07:17 AM PDT by FarRightFanatic (It wasn't an election. It was a socialist coup.)
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To: MestaMachine

Do you mean that possibly Islamists might get a right winger to go along with a violent attack against lefties because the Islamists don’t care which party dies since all of them are Western Infidels?


443 posted on 07/23/2011 11:08:42 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: FarRightFanatic

It’s far more likely it’s just a bad eyewitness report from someone under incredible stress and confusion.


444 posted on 07/23/2011 11:09:09 AM PDT by Strategerist (There is only so much stupidity one man can prevent - Andrew Marshall)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears; bolobaby; dirtboy

dirtboy summed up the situation well in another thread, so I’m reposting here:

When Muslims engage in terrorism, we are told to not judge all Muslims by the actions of a few.

When right-wingers engage in terrorism, we are told it is an indictment of all conservatives.

And when left-wingers engage in terrorism, they later become educational consultants and friends of Democratic political bosses, with all forgiven (Ayers).


445 posted on 07/23/2011 11:25:22 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Yaelle

If you could call this guy a right winger. Except that he really isn’t. What is interesting is his sympathy for the iranian shia muslims. And why is that? Because they are NOT arabs. They are “white” aryans. Yaelle, think about it.


446 posted on 07/23/2011 11:26:17 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: bergmeid

Thank you for the clarification. I knew there was something that was different and you explained it well for me.


447 posted on 07/23/2011 11:27:47 AM PDT by CitizenM (He who is silent is understood to consent)
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To: Strategerist

Yes, I understand how these witness statements can be incorrect in the beginning. I wonder if the shots heard from two separate places could be echoes, given the topography of this island and its proximity to the coast.

In an unarmed camp of children like this, and all the time this evil bastard had, he had no one to stop him or slow him down. These poor kids were fish in a barrel.

Horrible, just horrible.


448 posted on 07/23/2011 11:33:02 AM PDT by FarRightFanatic (It wasn't an election. It was a socialist coup.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I expect to hear calls for that here at the first of the week.


449 posted on 07/23/2011 11:34:27 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Strategerist

http://en.rian.ru/world/20110723/165350450.html

At least two terrorists behind Norwegian youth camp massacre - witnesses


450 posted on 07/23/2011 11:44:12 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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