Skip to comments.White House stokes debt-ceiling crisis (No to new plan)
Posted on 07/25/2011 6:07:48 AM PDT by RummyChick
A Republican aide e-mails me: The Speaker, Sen. Reid and Sen. McConnell all agreed on the general framework of a two-part plan. A short-term increase (with cuts greater than the increase), combined with a committee to find long-term savings before the rest of the increase would be considered. Sen. Reid took the bipartisan plan to the White House and the President said no.
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Btw, I don’t want a Super Congress and I don’t want pretend spending cuts.
But I thought it was said that at this point...The White House would sign anything
Obama isn’t willing to settle for anything less than what *he* wants. He may make noises otherwise, but he won’t actually compromise in any significant way.
By the way, this is two strikes for him, he’s been presented with two bipartisan options and denied them both.
“Cuts greater than the increase”...............a shell game. NO INCREASE
EWErickson Erick Erickson
John Boehner just got played for a fool. Headlines are Harry Reid is offering bigger cuts than Boehner and no tax increases.
EWErickson Erick Erickson
@JRubinBlogger @jimpethokoukis No doubt they are a scam, but he’s beating Boehner in the dumbed down headlines.
JRubinBlogger Jennifer Rubin
@JimPethokoukis @EWErickson but Reid cuts are a scam..details to follow
Obama failure could lead to ratings downgrade -- 07-24-2011
This will go on until the checks stop...................
I am going to have to head out. Rubin is going to post the details of Reid’s scam. She will probably link it on her twitter account.
how is agreeing to a short term debt increase with cuts that are greater than the increase caving??? its more like hitting a grand slam...
I am very aware of the realities of this mess, but for Obama to say no to that is beyond nuts.
Worse than the political fall-out, we already know his ideas are bankrupt, will be the revelation that he was not worthy of being liked. Things like "he is destroying our economy INTENTIONALLY" now become quite believable to the masses, instead of just being a marginal conservative opinion. Rush is now vindicated for saying "I hope he fails".
imPethokoukis James Pethokoukis
JimPethokoukis James Pethokoukis
If Rs accept are willing to accept future Afghan-Iraq cuts as a legit part of $2.7T, time to call off #debtastrophe ?
Call ,email, tweet those Freshman members and tell them this is unacceptable. There is a toll free number to reach Congress in a thread that I posted ..maybe last week.
It doesn’t matter what Obama says or wants anymore. He has been dealt out of the game.
Second, it doesn’t matter if Reid’s cuts are real or illusory. If they are real, then Obama/Reid infuriate the Left. If they are a sham, then the credit agencies will step in and downgrade our debt, thus further weakening the economy.
Frankly, if the Reid plan is a sham, I don’t think it can get through the Senate itself, anyway.
What we need most today is for Reid to make his plan public. Boehner should wait on his plan until Reid issues his.
Pincer move all along apparently.
Barky doesn’t care which way it goes: catastrophe for the country or catastrophe for the Republicans.
Either way, he’s got the MSM ready to spin it for his win.
He’s just batting at us like a cat with a mouse. He can kill him now or later. Later is more fun.
Unfortunately, the general public will feel as you do and NOT LOOK AT THE DETAILS.
First of all, cuts in the future are bogus. Well established that Boehner can’t bind a future Congress.
Secondly, they are bogus cuts.
Watch for the details. Think about them. And think..it that really what you wanted as a Real Conservative and not a RINO.
Btw, Remember how Reagan got the shaft. Promises that were never kept.
Doesn't the president buy the Aug 2-Default-Calamity scare tactics that he himself has been touting?
You can say that again - a hundred times over. Colossal blunder. The mostest epic-erest eva.
It was on his desk and he said no. Well, I don't need no steenkin' commission anyway. I prefer CCB. Get a Senate vote and plop it on his desk.
Oh , and one more thing. Look at the Details of that Super Congress.
Yes, we had the Brac Commission.
But imagine what is going to happen with selected Elite people on both sides of the Aisle deciding your future on everything.
I think you just hit upon the title of his future biography!
The only reason that makes sense for him to have said no is if Reid’s plan did not get him through the 2012 election.
Will have to wait for Rubin’s details.
What I *think* he’s made a miscalculation on is just how solidly those rats in the MSM and Congress are behind him.
In the latter, they’re starting to have serious doubts about their Messiah. As in, doubting whether sticking with him will get them re-elected.
In the former, the continuing layoffs and lack of customers are forcing them to start having a more critical view of Obama. They’ve even started trying to cover Gunwalker.
Rubin has another column up but not about the details
Not sure how this is a cave. A short-term increase is what Obama initially DIDN’T want...which is why he said no...but it means we’re wearing him down.
Its all about him and 2012 - nothing else.
TELL THEM TO STOP PLAYING AROUND WITH SENDING PLANS TO THE WHITE HOUSE.
GET THE BILL(S) ON THE SENATE FLOOR, VOTE AND PASS, AND LET THE BASTARD VETO THEM.
REID IS AN OBSTRUCTIONIST....USEFUL IDIOT!
That tares it. House & Senate need to pass this bill today and hold press conference saying they have done their work. If Obama vetoes, then start impeachment hearings. I am serious.
We had a housing bubble, education bubble etc, and now the govt bubble is going to pop.
When in history have there been any cuts?
If Obama decides to stop SS checks, that too will be gaming events, as approx. $230 Bil. in revenues flows to treasury each month, and SS Checks only amount to about $20 Bil.
He hasn't gone golfing lately. At least not that we know.
Obama wants to be President of a banana republic.
Everyone has their own definition of “cave”
Mine is a RINO and DEM Elite Super Congress deciding everything and fake spending cuts sometime in the future.
John, help me. That mad man in the WH is crazy. What can I do?
Harry, you made your pack with the devil, now you're stuck with it. Should have passed CCB when you had the chance. Have fun in hell.
0bama’s ego is in the way.
He wanted something “big.” He wants to look like the savior of the country.
The narcissism is now harming the country and is being demonstrated as full bore insanity.
0bama is demanding they feed his ego. It is time to remove him from office.
Well the main concern is if the cuts are “real” or not...but yeah, I think this makes Obama look REALLY BAD if he doesn’t support this.
That is just too funny.
The House should pass it and leave. Let the Senate and White House hit a brick wall if they are so determined to be obtuse.
They’re seeing their own political futures dry up...
Without a bunch of fanfare wordage, Obama needs to forced to resign by his own Democrat Party. The man is not hitting on all eight cylinders. He is out to destroy the country. Just like Ronald Reagan said, we Americans are one election away from tyranny. He was correct, as usual!!! Obama is the “Devil” himself, out to destroy America, our freedom, future, our nation!!!
I think that a well-orchestrated, GOP plan could pass BOTH houses of Congress...and possibly even be engineered for an override of Obama’s veto.
Make the bastard irrelevant, I say.
What is really bothering me is 75% of the people (CNN poll even) support a balanced budget amendment, and they also support by close to that amount term limits on the legislative branch.
There are currently what, 29 Republican governors, and at least as many upper and lower houses in the states? Can’t they put together enough moderate Democrat governors and legislatures to call for a Constitutional Convention and let the 50 states decide? This way they can put it to all the states to ratify, completely bypassing both the executive and legislative branches at the federal level.
The states have true power in this process, and they are the ones having it taken by Washington every day. It will only take 3/4 of the states to ratify this, I can’t believe that this can’t get done with the turmoil in Washington right now, its not even being talked about!!
Put a smackdown on both parties at the federal level and especially the president. Put a balanced budget amendment and a term limits amendment up for vote, its what the people want. Washington refuses to limit themselves and the states will go down right along with Washington, even the ones working their asses off to remain in the black and be fiscally responsible are getting hurt big-time by Obama.
Term limits should be 6 in the house and 2 in the senate lifetime, IMHO.
Don't negotiate with a mad man. Obama has some of the same metal issues that my mother has. Once they crack, they will destroy everything rather than concede a point.
Yup. They’re also starting to count how many people have been tossed under the bus by this administration, people that they considered untouchable...
When Boehner doesn't go far enough to the right, we threaten to take his power away from him.
When Obama doesn't go far enough left, they assume he doesn't have enough power.
See all the "Super Congress" and "14th amendment means debt limit not real" stuff. Anything it takes.
They are effectively unconstrained by elections and the Constitution. Hard to win at chess when the other player is smashing your pieces with a hammer. Theyve even started trying to cover Gunwalker.
They're just trying to get the right angle, like the lone defensive back's last ditch attempt to stop a wide receiver on an open field.
The Cut Cap and Balance bill is still on the table in the Senate.
They should get it on the floor, debate and vote on it, and send it to the president. There has been enough negotiating.
If he fails to sign it, go for a veto overide and stick it to him.
I agree and somewhere deep down in my gut...I pray that is what the saner leaders of both parties of the House & Senate are planning.
It is my firm belief 0bama will say veto to anything they put in front of him as a proposal. He can play “present” all day long this way.
They need to put legislation in front of him. Then he has to sign it or veto it.
It is the only way forward. They must stop debating with the White House. The White House is a separate branch of government.
Only if the people and banks believe that. They don't. Our economy is stuck on "Lets pretend", and making real cuts would expose just how messed up the game is. Rather than do that, they will keep playing till it all falls apart.
The GOP didn't play this very well, and the NEED a psychiatrist on staff to help them predict how Obama will react. If he has narcissistic disorder, this is going to end very badly.
We really, really, really, really, really do not want a Constitutional Convention right now. What comes out of that given the current makeups of the states and likely delegates, would be the addition of several ‘rights’ and the loss of things like your right to keep and bear arms.