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Boehner Rewriting Deficit Bill After CBO Score
Roll Call ^ | Tuesday, July 26, 2011 | Steven T. Dennis

Posted on 07/26/2011 4:39:45 PM PDT by kristinn

The Congressional Budget Office delivered the bad news to Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) on Tuesday evening that his deficit reduction proposal cuts just $1 billion from the deficit next year, sending staffers scrambling to rewrite the legislation.

Boehner spokesman Michael Steel said House Republicans are reworking the bill to make sure spending cuts exceed any increase in the debt limit.

“We’re here to change Washington: no more smoke and mirrors, no more ‘phantom cuts,’” Steel said. “We promised that we will cut spending more than we increase the debt limit, with no tax hikes, and we will keep that promise.

“As we speak, Congressional staff are looking at options to rewrite the legislation to meet our pledge. This is what can happen when you have an actual plan and submit it for independent review, which the Democrats who run Washington have refused to do.”

The CBO score appeared to add to Boehner’s troubles as he struggles to corral the House Republican Conference to back his bill on the floor Wednesday.

(Excerpt) Read more at rollcall.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: boehner; debtceiling
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To: noinfringers2

Something is happening and I think it is getting past everyone.

What is this bill actually supposed to do? If it is meant to be used as a vehicle for an increase in the debt ceiling, then whatever cut is made needs to be made by the amount of the rise in the ceiling. NOW! Not 10 years from now.

That’s how we got into this mess in the first place.

What is this 6 billion dollar number? And if we are cutting by however much, what is actually being cut? No mention of that either.

Smoke and mirrors? No. They are outright lying to us and they aren’t even ashamed t do it. If the freshmen congress wants to do something to shake all of this up, now is the time to introduce term limits.

Use this case as an example as to why we can no longer trust congress.


51 posted on 07/26/2011 5:23:54 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (As long as the MSM covers for Obama, he will be above the law)
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To: Principled

Probably just the one...but I think she has been banned or suspended.


52 posted on 07/26/2011 5:24:46 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: crz; All
In short...they havent a clue what they are doing.

I agree. This ain't rocket science. Write the friggin bill stating that the budget is at the 2008 level, with no tax increase, and no new taxes or fees.

53 posted on 07/26/2011 5:26:47 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: kristinn

Cut the Dept. of Education from the budget. That will take care of it.


54 posted on 07/26/2011 5:27:11 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever ( Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: Lost Highway
We are not doomed. Boehner's staff responded well to the feedback from the base and the CBO. They are rewriting as we speak. Let's withold final judgement including despair until they get done revising. Boehner is fully aware his speakership is on the line here, but he has to be perceived as trying to be a problem solver to not just his base but also to the middle.

He absolutely must cut something significant in 2012 budget. Every easy top line item is a political landline. So, he needs to cut around the edges in hundreds of sub line items, if not thousands, in order to protect himself and the pubs politically. I think it is the wrong approach, but is an approach. Let's see how they do now.

55 posted on 07/26/2011 5:29:31 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: kristinn

$4 trillion.


56 posted on 07/26/2011 5:29:31 PM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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To: Principled
I think you’re right. Get what we can, blame the dems for holding SS hostage, and ask for help winning the Senate and White House - and keeping the House.

I honestly don't know the right approach. I can see both arguments. On the one hand I'd like to just do the right thing and stand strong no matter what, unfortunately there is a terrible reality that the right thing doesn't necessarily win the day. A charismatic demagogue like Obama could win the PR war and be even more difficult to beat in 2012. FDR pushed failed program after failed program, deepened a terrible recession and yet won election after election. Being right just isn't enough most of the time.

What I do know is we've gotten this far by following the lead of the Tea Party patriots, by pushing the envelope, by shoving the debate further and further to the right. Those people, including many people on this website, are the folks that have gotten us this far. I am loathe to abandon them now for some watered down deal that may appear a PR victory but results in no real cuts in the out years and achieves little to nothing.

57 posted on 07/26/2011 5:29:42 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: BobL
half of the oldies are DEMANDING their Social Security money,

social security is not a tax, if you don't give folks their due share...then you have retroactively taxed them....you want that? really? I want them to cut all the unnecessary spending.......they have no constitutional right to tax us for abortions, healthcare, sex studies, embryonic stem cell research...you get the idea. The country can tax us to support the common good....build roads, bridges, form a military, conduct foreign affairs....cut the rest of it and the social security money will be there. we don't need all that liberal claptrap spending.

58 posted on 07/26/2011 5:37:04 PM PDT by tioga
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To: EGPWS
I know smoking reflects poorly on my character...

That's one of the very first leftist memes the right ever bought into.

59 posted on 07/26/2011 5:41:41 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: EternalVigilance

True, but the spending cuts in this are basically nothing.


60 posted on 07/26/2011 5:42:55 PM PDT by F1reEng1neRed
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To: Owen; ngat

Even more oddly it’s another Michael Steele but one just as clueless and useless.


61 posted on 07/26/2011 5:47:24 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: kristinn
Boehner told Rush straight out(before receiving this scoring): his plan will give obama a trillion plus to f* around with right now, and make a trillion or so cuts over ten years. This is a GD travesty and Boehner once again drops in the cred department, maybe to a new low.
62 posted on 07/26/2011 5:49:14 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hemogoblin
Morgan's been rock solid ever since he beat Boucher, and so he's honestly looking for 9th District input.

Here's his Facebook page, which he reads often:

Congressman Morgan Griffith

63 posted on 07/26/2011 5:49:29 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: kristinn
So let me get this straight. They are there to change and no more smoke and mirrors. OK Bubba. Explain how reducing the rate of growth on the baseline budget is a cut. A cut you bunch of damnable POS is when the amount you spend next year is LESS than what you spend this year. Anything else is a lie from the DemocRat playbook and elitist Republican establishment. You cannot put 20 of you together in a room and come out with one pure conservative. That Bubba, is the smoke and mirrors you say you are not going to use. QUIT LYING BECAUSE WE KNOW THE DIFFERENCE AND WE WILL NOT FORGET NEXT NOVEMBER.

Freeze or lower the debt limit. Do away with baseline budgeting; it is a lie and STUPID to assume the growth rates you assume. Vote on a Balanced Budget Amendment. Even if it doesn't pass, you have created a voting record to use against Democrats. Damnation do we have to do our jobs and your job too. Quit acting like pathetic losers for Pete's sake. Take out your hanky, wipe away your tears Wimpy, and borrow some gonads from Bachmann and Palin.

64 posted on 07/26/2011 5:50:20 PM PDT by cashless (Unlike Obama and his supporters, I'd rather be a TEA BAGGER thaln a TEA BAGGEE.)
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To: Longbow1969
"This is because no one really wants to cut anything noticeable."

Including the American public- which is the real source of all our problems.

That's not true. Recent polling from lots of different sources indicates that something like 70% of the American people want Congress to roll back the spending and live within their budget.

Those who want to see taxes raised, and the spending spree to continue, are in the clear minority.

Why do you think there's such an impasse going on? The phone lines in DC are melting with angry calls from citizens, demanding that the Republicans hold the line, and make some real cuts.

65 posted on 07/26/2011 5:50:33 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: kristinn

I really like Laura Ingraham, but even she was pushing Boehner’s B.S. plan this morning on her show!?!? WTF!

I’m really surprised she was pushing the “let’s get behind the establishment” crap on her show this morning. Very disappointing!


66 posted on 07/26/2011 5:52:40 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: stars & stripes forever

Cutting whole departments is the correct approach in a second phase led by a conservative prez who can sell it against the onslaught of the media and liberal interest groups. But to ask a speaker to do something like this will be perceived by moderates as crazy. Trust me, I hear it from them all the time. They have not a clue that cuts to dep of education will improve education. And they will mainly hear the shrill and steady drumbeat from a prez and compliant press if the pubs try to do something like that. It has to be simple - which is what you are going for in cutting whole depts - but it has to be simple to sell. That is why I think the correct first step approach is not line item specific, but one of simple percentages. Say, we are leaving our priorities exactly where they are now, but we are reducing the size of the whole thing. That is sellable and simple and a first step. Then explain the second step is to then have a commission go through with a fine tooth comb and do give and take on certain line items in order to award programs that are worthy and perhaps sunset those that are not. Believe me there will be plenty of give and take in earnest at that point because then on both sides they will be forced to make relative decisions on importance. Right now, there is no agreement on exactly where the boundaries really are because the size of our budget has only been limited by the audacity of what a prez and congress has proposed. Every fight on every program is viewed as existential. Plus, they would do well to go back to the departments and sub departments and say, hey, you need to assume you will have 10% less next year, tell us what is important to preserve and what might be better to either postpone or pursue more slowly.


67 posted on 07/26/2011 5:53:00 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

As much as I’m for the end result if it gets a good deal, it doesn’t give me a lot of confidence when the CBO has to tell him what’s in his bill.


68 posted on 07/26/2011 5:53:05 PM PDT by Lost Highway (I don't know what the world may need but a V8 engines a good start for me)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

I mean really? Either he didn’t know what his bill would really do or he did and is changing it because he got exposed. Which do you think and why should that give me confidence in him?


69 posted on 07/26/2011 5:56:45 PM PDT by Lost Highway (I don't know what the world may need but a V8 engines a good start for me)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

Bredeson here in tn took that approach when he first took office about 8 years ago. He said, we are facing a 10% shortfall, I want every dept to come back with their 10% cut budget. Easier sell since he was not making everyone argue about values first at least from a top line perspective.


70 posted on 07/26/2011 5:56:45 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: antonico

The one man standing in the gap for America is Jim Jordan, 4th Congressional District, Urbana, Ohio. He is the leader of the Conservative Caucus. He is the closet thing we have had as a leader in D.C. for a generation. He is great. Pray for his continued stand upon principle. He and his posse is going to catch for the next week. He might be the Patrick Henry of our time. God bless him.


71 posted on 07/26/2011 5:59:41 PM PDT by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever!)
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To: Lost Highway

I am not asking you for confidence. Other than he is listening to the people and responding appropriately. Unlike what you saw in pelosi, btw. Just withhold despair at least for a little while longer. Now, personally, I think he should have hung his hat on ccb and told the dems to write their own scored by cbo that hit these parameters and then played chicken with Obama and the dems. That was an easier sale. But I think McConnell cob urn et al cut his legs off with their stupid and ill timed plans. Pubs needed unity between house and senate and it looks like they did not plan well enough to get it or keep it.


72 posted on 07/26/2011 6:04:39 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: InterceptPoint

None of them really want to cut spending. I keep waiting for everyone to realize that.


73 posted on 07/26/2011 6:17:35 PM PDT by sheana
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To: Tennessean4Bush
I wish Bredesen was in a leadership position in DC now..although a Demoncrat, he is a good man and I like the way he cut things...just think what a 2 or 3% overall cut would do to help change the direction of this meteor to a very deep chasm we are presently riding...and yes, I am an “oldie” on SS, but although such a cut in what I get would require some changes in priorities, it would not be totally destructive.
74 posted on 07/26/2011 6:30:14 PM PDT by jennings2004 (Sarah Palin: "The bright light at the end of a very dark tunnel!")
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To: EGPWS

I doubt that we will get any real cuts from Boehner and that crew. We are becoming Greece.


75 posted on 07/26/2011 6:33:22 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: PapaBear3625

Mack has a plan that would work.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/2011/July/Rep-Mack-Penny-Plan-Could-Save-Trillions/

It isn’t getting much press.


76 posted on 07/26/2011 6:37:09 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: tioga

“social security is not a tax...”

Oh yes it is. The money come in and goes right back out. Prior generations voted for Congresses that would do just that...fund their welfare programs, public housing, NASA, Vietnam, etc, but NOT PAY FOR THEM through regular taxes, but instead let them get financed though Social Security ‘surpluses’. In other words, the money could really have been saved, just like trillions sit in 401k’s, but its already been spent so earlier generations could have their programs, but not pay for them.

I’m a parent, and I don’t see why my kids and their generation and their kids should have to pay for the above greed. That generation made THE CHOICE (via their collective voting) to SPEND, rather than save their Social Security - it is NOT the fault of my kids and they should not have to live in a THIRD WORLD nation because of it.


77 posted on 07/26/2011 7:02:41 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: Windflier
Recent polling from lots of different sources indicates that something like 70% of the American people want Congress to roll back the spending and live within their budget.

Sorry, don't buy it. People are for spending cuts in theory, the minute you actually ask them specifically what they want to cut you'll be down to foreign aid and prisons.

Those who want to see taxes raised, and the spending spree to continue, are in the clear minority.

Wrong. All polling shows people want both things. They want spending cut, but given the option they always fall for the tax the rich demagoguery. Ask people if they want to tax the corporate jet owners and the rich in general and a majority will almost always favor that in every poll.

Why do you think there's such an impasse going on? The phone lines in DC are melting with angry calls from citizens, demanding that the Republicans hold the line, and make some real cuts.

It's like you don't realize there is a very vocal left and frightened center that are also calling and demanding NO entitlement or social welfare cuts. You can even look at the comments on FR, there are a LOT of even otherwise conservative people that will not tolerate cuts to the entitlement programs they feel they've paid into and deserve to get.

Hussein STILL gets the support of roughly 45% of the American public, and far more like him personally. They WANT to like him, and when he spews his lies people fall for it.

If being right was enough we'd never be out of power. Unfortunately, people the world over fall for even the worst kinds of demagoguery. Hussein is an example of that and he will not be easy to defeat in this debt limit fight or the 2012 election.

78 posted on 07/26/2011 7:57:31 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969
Actually, I'll tell you how cynical I really am. Hussein and the inner sanctum of that party are playing the GOP like a fine violin. They really want the deadline to come and go so the cuts they make will be laid directly at the intransigent feet of the GOP.

By the way I am both a seasoned citizen and a combat veteran. While I could survive without a portion or all of my SS check, it would be very challenging to say the least if I lost the VA benefits I currently enjoy. That said, I would truck on as best as I could for as long as I could. What other choice would I have?

79 posted on 07/26/2011 9:34:50 PM PDT by ImpBill ("America ... where are you now?" signed, a little "r" republican!)
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To: hemogoblin
I said I didn't like the over-ten-years business, and the idea of forming a special committee to be doing what a responsible Congress should already be doing anyway.

You and, hopefully, at least 100 million Americans feel the same way! I know one who does. . .ME!!

80 posted on 07/26/2011 10:22:30 PM PDT by McBuff
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To: Longbow1969
People are for spending cuts in theory, the minute you actually ask them specifically what they want to cut you'll be down to foreign aid and prisons.

Friend, you have truly missed the forest for the trees, or you're reading the news upside down. Don't know which.

Democrats weren't swept out of office across the country in the midterms because most people still want to have their cake and eat it too. A slim majority in this country are still wagon pullers - not wagon riders, and they are sick to death of having their hard earned money stolen by a bunch of criminal Commies in government.

As Jim Rob says, "Rebellion is brewing!"

If the situation were truly as you say it is, the midterm elections would have had a completely different result, and phone lines in DC wouldn't be melting right now. The part of the American public who are paying for the grand Socialist experiment, want it ended now. Period.

Perhaps you spend too much time seeking the opinions of wagon riders. Get a better class of friends.

81 posted on 07/26/2011 10:23:58 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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