Skip to comments.Boehner tries to tame GOP on debt ceiling plan
Posted on 07/27/2011 8:12:01 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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I cant do this job unless youre behind me.
Spoken like O and Larry Sinclair.
...they’re not behind him because it does nothing...so GET YOUR ASS BUSY BONEHEAD
He’s a clown. He has no intention of ever making significant cuts.
Worse is that he’s already got some tea party freshman, like Alan West, to sell out his base.
If that is a moral imperative, but limiting the power of government to economically enslave us to politician's programs (and graft and corruption) is not a "moral imperative" then who, really, is going to "fold like a cheap suit" when the chips are really down?
No, Boehner.. you couldn’t even come up with $1T in cuts over a DECADE!!??
Oh, hell no!!
Get YOUR ASS back to the desk and work the numbers again!!
The problem is that nothing serious about the debt can be done with Reid-Obama and the Democratic clowns infesting the Senate and Presidency. Until then, pretty much everything is around the edges.
"Get Your Ass In Line!"
"Get Your Ass In Line!"
OK, let me play politics for a minute.
If I were a Tea Party Freshman, here’s what I’d tell Boehner...
“Mr. Speaker...you already understand why I oppose this bill; you yourself of course are a fan of Cut, Cap and Balance, and I don’t know why you aren’t pushing forward wtih CCB instead of this. Perhaps you know it won’t pass, so can we do this instead - we’ll pass this, but we reintroduce CCB (without the debt ceiling increase since that’s already done) once this is passed and signed.”
The House passed CCB.... the Senate tabled it.
Why does Boehner think this time the Senate will even allow a vote?
I do it myself too, we all do, but we lose track of political reality sometimes.
If things go south (granted I don’t think it’ll be as bad as they say if we “default” since it isn’t a real default), the GOP could end up taking the blame for it, Obama gets re-elected, and none of this matters.
My idea is to re-introduce CCB every couple months (w/o the debt limit increase since it’ll be done) and keep pushing, but make it a seperate bill from this.
I challenge the hard-nosers on FR to become a Congressman and get ANY bill passed that we conservatives are 100% happy with...
We can’t even convince EACH OTHER on FR who the best Presidential candidate is, can you imagine trying to get 220 Congressman and 51 Senators, and a President on top of that to all support a bill?
Rush really PMO when he allowed Boner to present his side without the logical retort. I don’t want or need to listen to a radio program that trumpets the Republican line. I want real change, and that means a balanced budget, NOT a “balanced approach.”
Trouble is, there will be a problem with bringing a Balanced Budget Amendment to the senate with all the dims still in it. I think realistically we have to take the White House and the Senate before we are gonna get that. We don't have the leverage yet. As much as I hate to admit that.
I know this won’t be popular here, but isn’t this what Obama fears? The GOP controls 1/4 of the government at the moment, (counting just the executive and legislative branches).
Assume Boehner’s plan passes.
- The GOP looks more reasonable, in bending to avoid default.
- Obama will have to go through this one more time before the 2012 election.
Both things could lead to enough gains that real reform could be possible.
Sometimes pragmatism isn’t all bad.
Get YOUR ass home, and find a new job.
Blaming the Republican Congress is the plan for 2012. The Dims showed their hand by not passing a budget since forever. The Dims will position themselves as the responsible party, and the Pubes as free spenders, with hatred for the po folk.
Speaker Boehner, Leadership 101 suggests that the quickest way to get people behind you is merely to step to the front.
Ever notice how good Republicans are at talking tough to fellow Republicans? Talking tough to Dems...not so much.
Dems talk tough to Republicans too. They rarely, if ever, do the same to fellow Dems.
I think the BBA was the part that made CCB DOA, as sad as that is.
I’d have simply re-introduced CCB w/o the BBA, then introduce the BBA seperately after this blows over - it would have MORE public visibility that way and public opinion supports a BBA...
The sellout. I thought so.
That is true.
We ALL do it...want the full loaf now. Also, there are plenty of reasons NOT to be pragmatic, but you have to look at this the right way.
As I said earlier in the thread, I challenge ONE Freeper to become a Representative and get a bill passed! It’s harder than we think it is behind our keyboards.
OK, then we will replace you with someone we CAN get behind!
Rush has gone soft. I’ve gravitated to Levin lately. He’s not worried about getting “important” people upset at him, like Rush and Hannity are.
We know, John. We don't want them behind you!.....................
“Rush really PMO when he allowed Boner to present his side without the logical retort.”
Rush admitted several times that he should have challenged Boner
We don’t a cut one the growth of govt, we want a major cut now!
I agree. This is not the time to go for the whole enchilada. We have to get rid of Obama and the Dem majority in the Senate first. Like it or not, we cannot afford to lose a PR battle at this time and we cannot let the dems continue to ruin the economy. We have to take what we can get now and get the rest after 2012.
Boehner the Head Turd Polisher.
1. THESE ARE NOT PROPOSED CUTS TO ANYTHING!! They are REDUCTIONS IN THE INCREASES!! This is still not fiscally responsible conduct.
2. Boehner is starting to flail, plea, and sputter like Nobama. It is also becoming more and more apparent that he does not share the important conservative views most Americans are demanding. Our freshmen need to be reminded that we expect them to stand firm to the pledges they made when we sent them to D.C., IN SPITE of what “Leader” Boehner is instructing them to do.
We will win this battle in the war.
Maybe, you are right — maybe you can’t do this job
He sure can’t.
“The problem is that nothing serious about the debt can be done with Reid-Obama and the Democratic clowns infesting the Senate and Presidency. Until then, pretty much everything is around the edges.”
Unfortunate but true.
I totally agree - and removing the BBA could be the simple change made to re-pass it and resubmit to Senate.
IMO the CCB being omitted from the conversation is what lost us our control of the situation.
Just called my Congressman’s office to remind him that his “rear-end” was answerable to me, not to Boner.
The girl on the other end seemed surprised by this.
After listening to that conversation between Rush and Boehner yesterday, my head was spinning.
I don't see that expanding the debt without real corresponding entitlement cuts is the path to victory in 2012.
So whats the plan to prevent that? If theres nothing to prevent them from getting tax increases, they will, by gaia, get tax increases.
Why does Boehner think this time the Senate will even allow a vote?
Because the fix has been in for some time. However, Bonehead screwed the pouch when his plan fell short of the “phantom” spending cuts, based on the CBO scores. He can’t even get his own sham of a plan right. Lesson to learn: If u r going to try to hoodwink Americans with a sham plan, at least get the numbers right.
“Cut, cap, and balance” has already passed the House, quite comfotably. Go home, Mr. Speaker, and dismiss the House. The ball is now in the Senate’s court. The Senate has not even brought CC&B up for debate or a vote yet. Mr. Speaker, your job is done until the Senate acts.
So, get your ass out of town.
Besides being great policy, the BBA is a great campaign issue for the GOP. A huge majority of the electorate favors a BBA.
I advocate bringing the BBA up again sometime next fall in the midst of the silly season. Force everyone in Congress to take a stand on it and explain their stand to their constituents.
I doubt Reid would bring it to a vote in the Senate (it might actually pass the Senate, then Obama would be screwed) and when he doesn't, Democrats will be on the hot seat.
Let every person in Congress explain why Joe 6P has to balance his budget, but the federal government can just keep racking up debt.
Ive gravitated to Levin lately
Me too. Levin has been hammering these hacks. He does not hold back. GO LEVIN!
I'd keep sending CCB back to the senate and every time it is rejected without a vote, I'd cut off a few million more in spending and send it back again.
They could even change the name of CCB, call it CBE "cut and balance eventually", but still make no changes.
But there should certainly be no compromise on what is right, just keep sending it over and over again. That is what I'd do, anyway.
Boehner wants to seem reasonable, and the Leadership is TERRIFIED that the Obama-backing media will blame THEM, just like 1994.
Obama’s ONLY CONCERN is that he doesn’t want to revisit this issue before the 2012 elections, because he knows it’s a loser.
But his plan is more smoke and mirrors, without real change. Thank God the Tea Party is holding his feet to the fire now.
This is coming eventually, now is better than later.
Has the CBO scored Reid's plan?
CCB had big public support and would have gone a long way to solving our problems. I don’t understand why the House gave up on it so fast Reid called it bad names and zero said he’d veto it and poof - something most of us liked was dead. You’d think public pressure - incited by the GOP - would have forced the Senate to vote on it and then they could have dared zero to veto it.