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Reports: House GOP lining up behind Boehner’s plan (the GOP has sold the tea party out)
Hotair ^ | 7/27/11 | Allahpundit

Posted on 07/27/2011 1:50:33 PM PDT by teg_76

[T]he opposition bloc led by [Jim] Jordan appears to be crumbling, as leadership’s message seems to be sinking in. Sources tells NRO that a number of members who were confirmed no votes against the Boehner plan announced during the meeting that they would be voting yes. One of those members, Rep. Blake Farenthold (R., Texas) told reporters that while he would like to “snap my fingers and change the world like ‘I Dream of Genie’ of Samantha on ‘Bewitched,’” Republicans “need to take what we can get.”…

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KEYWORDS: boehner; donothingsenate; obama; palin; partyofnoplan; reid; teaparty
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To: teg_76

You have pretty much pegged it. The GOP is not going to save this country. We all knew this would happen we just hoped it wouldn’t. We are headed for an economic catastrophe. If you are not stocked up on essentials and the means to protect it you had best get busy.


51 posted on 07/27/2011 2:25:10 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: so_real

Not raising the debt ceiling will guarantee an Obama and Dem victory in ‘12.

This is good. That’s why the Dems won’t pass it :)


52 posted on 07/27/2011 2:26:48 PM PDT by Principled
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To: teg_76
"The power under the constitution will always be in the people. It is intrusted for certain defined purposes, and for a certain limited period, to representatives of their own choosing; and, whenever it is executed contrary to their interest, or not agreeable to their wishes, their servants can and undoubtedly will be recalled."

-- George Washington, Letter to Bushrod Washington, November 10, 1787

53 posted on 07/27/2011 2:27:33 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (For decades they've kicked the can down the road. Sorry, but there's no more road.)
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To: americanophile
“Calm down folks. We haven't the numbers to force the issue. If we don't compromise, and the result is either a partial government shutdown or negative economic repercussions, I assure you that Republicans will receive the blame. Save your powder for 2012 when we have a real chance to unseat Obama and pick up sufficient seats in the Senate to enact meaningful change.”

That to me seems reasonable. If we control the WH and both the Senate and House; maybe we could actually get something done.
Or maybe it is truly too late to save things.

54 posted on 07/27/2011 2:29:58 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: GoCards

“What does it matter, Senators arent voting for it and Bam Bam said hed veto??? right?”

I believe that is what is at the root of this. The GOP is trying to get everybody onboard to call the Dem’s and presidents bluff. But this is the root of the problem POLITICS and NOT doing the RIGHT thing.


55 posted on 07/27/2011 2:30:48 PM PDT by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution)
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To: teg_76

No the GOP will not look good with this. But 0bama and the Dems will look bad.

As I have said before we are fighting a war on two fronts: the fiscal front and the political front. If we use all of our resources to win the fiscal front we will lose the political front. If we don’t win politically in 2012 the war is lost. We must concentrate on holding the fiscal front in somewhat check (we may have to give ground) and throw all of our resources to winning politically. Then we can truly go after big government. If the GOP fails to do that then it is all over anyway. But they are our best hope right now.

If the GOP forces the Dems and 0bama to swallow this plan, the Dems and 0bama will have lost on every demand save one. They demanded new taxes and an extension past the 2012 election. The GOP was always going to increase the debt ceiling. But I think they could have forced bigger spending cuts. But the war is not over.

If Reid and 0bama accept this deal they will lose bigger than we will. If they reject it out of hand they will lose even bigger.


56 posted on 07/27/2011 2:31:00 PM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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To: teg_76

‘appears’ to be crumbling...’seems’ to be...

Nothing more than to get people to click on the article.


57 posted on 07/27/2011 2:32:09 PM PDT by Freddd (NoPA ngineers.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Right now Reid is laughing his a$$ off. He is sitting there with a drink in hand and thinking that by saying no, Boehner will go back again and give him a little bit more.

By the time this is over, Boehner’s bill wil be the exact replica of the senate bill. Can will get kicked down the road, debt will go up, Obama will be worshipped for his courageousness in standing up to the radical right and the world will go on.

And all the tea party congressmen will get to say yippee that a balanced budget amendment was passed in the house. Gives them something to go back to their people and say they did what they promised.


58 posted on 07/27/2011 2:32:37 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (As long as the MSM covers for Obama, he will be above the law)
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To: don'tbedenied
but we will either stop meeting our obligations or default.

No. The only way we will default will be if the government intentionally stops paying the interest on our debt.

Look at the numbers. Our debt service obligations are $20 billion per month. The Treasury takes in an average of $200 billion per month. You can pay the debt service and still have $180 billion per month left!

Will there need to be a lot of cuts? Sure. But the point is, the only way we will default is if it is intentional.

On the other hand, if we increase the debt ceiling by another $1 trillion, interest rates will rise and our debt service obligations on an even larger debt under a higher interest rate environment will be much more than $20 billion a month. How that is a good result is beyond me....

59 posted on 07/27/2011 2:32:49 PM PDT by kevao
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To: teg_76

If the GOP has sold the Tea Party out,, believe me, the Tea Party will have the last word!


60 posted on 07/27/2011 2:33:01 PM PDT by Paperdoll (NO MORE BUSHS!)
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To: teg_76

Stupid headline.


61 posted on 07/27/2011 2:34:47 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: teg_76

The GOP has sold out America.


62 posted on 07/27/2011 2:34:58 PM PDT by mulligan
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To: Truth is a Weapon

I sure I will be burnt at the conservative stake for this, but this is how I feel about this: we saved the Union from doom with the last election. We elected a bunch of folks to carry our “we are pissed” message. They have moved the whole Congress and President. We need to cash in now even though we did not get all we wanted. We will have another fight in November with the next debt limit vote and we can use this for the next election. The next election is where we can get the total win. We need to be patient.


63 posted on 07/27/2011 2:36:11 PM PDT by rlbedfor
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To: teg_76

I read earlier today that if 28 Republicans bolted, Boner’s plan wouldn’t pass.

What is the size of the TEA Party caucus in the House? My memory is that it’s considerably more than 28.

If the headline is true, then I would say that the so-called TEA Party members have gone RINO; not that the GOP has in some way abandoned them.


64 posted on 07/27/2011 2:36:17 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (I'll have what the gentleman on the floor is drinking.)
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To: Truth is a Weapon

I sure I will be burnt at the conservative stake for this, but this is how I feel about this: we saved the Union from doom with the last election. We elected a bunch of folks to carry our “we are pissed” message. They have moved the whole Congress and President. We need to cash in now even though we did not get all we wanted. We will have another fight in November with the next debt limit vote and we can use this for the next election. The next election is where we can get the total win. We need to be patient.


65 posted on 07/27/2011 2:36:17 PM PDT by rlbedfor
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To: Huck

It makes a difference because the TEA Party crew are suppose to have principles and this is a sellout to those principles for a political ploy, Status Que in DC, Same as it ever was!


66 posted on 07/27/2011 2:37:50 PM PDT by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

“One thing Ryan said was McConnell absolutely pulled the rug out from under them when he shot his mouth off. They had momentum.
As far as the Boehner plan, Ryan is saying that the cuts must become law before the debt ceiling is raised, so it is not giving money to Obama with “promises” of future cuts.”

He also said (paraphrasing) that he is very concerned about the prospect of a credit collapse under Obama in particular, since it could trigger very unfortunate reactions by the regime.


67 posted on 07/27/2011 2:39:35 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Tex-Con-Man
As far as the Boehner plan, Ryan is saying that the cuts must become law before the debt ceiling is raised, so it is not giving money to Obama with “promises” of future cuts.

Right, and the law will put the spending cuts off to "the out years," as it always does. Shirley, you don't really believe future congresses are going to follow through on any future spending cuts put into legislation by this one?

68 posted on 07/27/2011 2:39:35 PM PDT by kevao
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To: teg_76

Why in the hell doesn’t someone with some spine in House come forward and just tell obama:

We have put forward our plan, now it’s YOUR turn to DETAIL yours. The House will forego any action until you have done so.

Put the POS on the defensive.

(Unfortunately Boehner is probably too busy sobbing and boozing in the cloak room)


69 posted on 07/27/2011 2:40:00 PM PDT by RetSignman (It's Summertime...the "Goebbles Warmers" are back from hibernation.)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

So is Allen West so there is some merit to it, but All I see is the same old politics and not doing whats right.


70 posted on 07/27/2011 2:40:00 PM PDT by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution)
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To: Principled
No tax increases.

Wrong!!! The tax increases are built into Obamacare and the 'Bush' tax cuts will expire again in 2012.

The 'No tax increase and budget cuts over 10 years are both BS lies. Big lies!

71 posted on 07/27/2011 2:40:52 PM PDT by CharlyFord (t)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

No, I’m ready for a third party. If the so called “tea party” sponsered Republicans cave this quickly I’m done with them all. I’d rather build a party from scratch then stay within this group anymore. If Palin would announce a run for third party right now I’d support her. Hell, I think I might be willing to switch my support to her now. I was leaning Perry because he has a better shot to win I think but win...what? I don’t give a damn about putting Republicans in control just to sell us out.


72 posted on 07/27/2011 2:41:35 PM PDT by Soul Seeker ( I was there when we had the numbers, but didnÂ’t have the principles.---Jim DeMint)
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To: kevao

73 posted on 07/27/2011 2:44:06 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (For decades they've kicked the can down the road. Sorry, but there's no more road.)
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To: teg_76

74 posted on 07/27/2011 2:44:51 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: teg_76

imho a constitutional amendment to force the feds to have a balanced budget will have to wait until after 2012 when a pubbie will be in the whitehouse.

anyone paying attention to the fed would recognize that these days they are doing double duty bundling fiscal and monetary policy into one.

It very much looks like they’re doing a better job of it.

All the congress has to do is impliment a balanced budget policy in 2012 and the pubbie administration turn the USA into a net oil exporter and the dollar, the US balance of payments, federal revenues and a whole host of other bad things happening now will right themselves.


75 posted on 07/27/2011 2:46:39 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: don'tbedenied

I prefer that the government stop spending citizens money. Is that too much to ask?


76 posted on 07/27/2011 2:46:45 PM PDT by st.eqed
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

EXACTLY!!! That says it all.


77 posted on 07/27/2011 2:48:33 PM PDT by RetSignman (It's Summertime...the "Goebbles Warmers" are back from hibernation.)
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To: teg_76

This whole thing is contrived baloney. The House of Representatives is responsible for initiating all spending bills. The place to start is not with phony deficit reduction bills that never seem to be observed if passed.

The solution is for the Republicans in the House to pass an annual budget bill with lots of cuts in the right places. That is where the real savings will come into play. Make drastic cuts to next year’s budget, and then keep doing the same each year. Of course Obama would veto any budget that got through the House and Senate. Fine. Then do not pass any continuing resolution bills. Rather, let the government shut itself down. Obama would cave. I know Gingrich tried this and it backfired. However, times are very different now.


78 posted on 07/27/2011 2:49:27 PM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: kevao
Right, and the law will put the spending cuts off to "the out years," as it always does.

The way Ryan explained it, they would be putting hard caps in place, a method that was successful in the 90's. As I understood it, currently, nothing stops some agencies from exceeding their budgets. This bill would place caps on spending that would require a future congress to pass a law to remove it. Possible, but much more difficult.

79 posted on 07/27/2011 2:50:48 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: teg_76
This 'budget cuts over the next 10 years' is the biggest BS lie I have ever seen!!!

The current 112th Congress is responsible for the Federal FY 2012 and 2013 budgets.

The 113th Congress will be responsible for the FY2014 and 2015 budgets. That Congress will pass the lows for those years. The 112th Congress has no requirement or authority to pass laws relevant to the FY2014 and 2015 budgets.

The same is true for all future Congresses, budgets and laws.

This 'budget cuts over the next 10 years' is a total BS lie!

80 posted on 07/27/2011 2:52:04 PM PDT by CharlyFord (t)
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To: KittenClaws

The GOP called again last night to ask for money (as if I had any). I kindly said that I will contribute to my candidate of choice when she decides to declare her candidacy.


81 posted on 07/27/2011 2:53:13 PM PDT by st.eqed
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To: Arm_Bears

I believe it was a class of 80, caucus I am not sure of.


82 posted on 07/27/2011 2:54:13 PM PDT by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

That flag needs to be yellow with a snake on it.


83 posted on 07/27/2011 2:54:35 PM PDT by CharlyFord (t)
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To: Tex-Con-Man
This bill would place caps on spending that would require a future congress to pass a law to remove it. Possible, but much more difficult.

That's easy to do. Dems could do that in any future budget bill. The Pubes will protest. We'll run up against a possible government shutdown. One side will fold. Guess which side that will be? Spending caps gone....

84 posted on 07/27/2011 2:55:57 PM PDT by kevao
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To: teg_76

What a bunch of gutless morons! Obama is an idiot, and these clowns can’t even face HIM down? They are paving the way for a third party and Obama victory in 2012!


85 posted on 07/27/2011 3:00:35 PM PDT by alstewartfan ("I'll just go back to the dream I was having, before love went astray." Al Stewart)
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To: CharlyFord

Look like the GOP flag is white instead. I can’t stand these feckless dolts.


86 posted on 07/27/2011 3:03:09 PM PDT by alstewartfan ("I'll just go back to the dream I was having, before love went astray." Al Stewart)
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To: All; teg_76
You suicidal types need to come to grip with political reality.

If you want the cuts you need to take back the Senate and the White House in 2012.

November 2010 was not enough. Stop pretending it was a bigger victory than it was.

Harp all you like about Boehner and the House GOP but they've passed bills that die or are tabled in the Senate: repealing ObamaCare, "Cut, Cap & Balance", etc.

You have representation. Those bills prove it. But you don't have enough. Make it happen in 2012. Do not stab the House GOP in the back. It only helps the Democrats.

OBAMA LOVES YOU TODAY.


87 posted on 07/27/2011 3:03:42 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama until 2017. It really could happen.)
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To: Dr. Thorne

I don’t, I want the republicans to get the win. Do you want Obama getting any credit at all to take in the election? We are one swing vote away on the Supreme Court from losing EVERYTHING. Next years elections are more important than this debt deal. And by the way, I hate the deal, but no way do we win this in the court of public opinion. I don’t want the independents blaming the republicans next year at the polls where it really counts.


88 posted on 07/27/2011 3:04:19 PM PDT by fatez ("If you're going through Hell, keep going." Winston Churchill)
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To: teg_76

“I agree with Clyde Wilson that America can’t be saved or returned to its roots until the Republican Party is destroyed.”

Semper Fidelis

Gunny G
aka:
Dick Gaines

Semper watching!
*****


89 posted on 07/27/2011 3:12:10 PM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: All

The bill the GOP is signing onto is not the bill we saw yesterday.

Boehner had to tighten it up to hit the CBO scoring target.

No one caved. The bill was improved.


90 posted on 07/27/2011 3:13:39 PM PDT by Owen
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To: teg_76

Let the GOP fiddle with this thing until the election. If they solve the debt problem NOW, it will give all the credit to the muslim in the whitehouse. He will appear strong and ......


91 posted on 07/27/2011 3:16:13 PM PDT by tillacum
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To: teg_76

Fine.

Vote for whatever you want, chickensh!t GOP.

See y’all after our downgrade.

Welcome to the third world.


92 posted on 07/27/2011 3:18:14 PM PDT by chris37 (representative)
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To: americanophile
Calm down folks. We haven't the numbers to force the issue. If we don't compromise, and the result is either a partial government shutdown or negative economic repercussions, I assure you that Republicans will receive the blame. Save your powder for 2012 when we have a real chance to unseat Obama and pick up sufficient seats in the Senate to enact meaningful change.

GREAT ADVISE!

93 posted on 07/27/2011 3:18:37 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: teg_76

I hope they have their bags packed cause they will be VOTED OUT. We will have Sarah Palin for President for sure.


94 posted on 07/27/2011 3:28:28 PM PDT by cubreporter (From TEA to Shining TEA - Go Rush Limbaugh..a giant of all that is good.)
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To: americanophile
Calm down folks. We haven't the numbers to force the issue. If we don't compromise, and the result is either a partial government shutdown or negative economic repercussions, I assure you that Republicans will receive the blame. Save your powder for 2012 when we have a real chance to unseat Obama and pick up sufficient seats in the Senate to enact meaningful change.

Well said. And let me add that we should enjoy the victory that was achieved here and, make no mistake, the left wing got their asses handed to them.

Obama is ad odds with the left wing fringe because he didn't tank the "Bush Tax Cuts for the Rich" as he promised he would. They see him as weak.

95 posted on 07/27/2011 3:31:07 PM PDT by keat
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To: Owen

I don’t but it, Owen. They caved deeper than the Carlsbad Caverns.


96 posted on 07/27/2011 3:34:05 PM PDT by alstewartfan ("I'll just go back to the dream I was having, before love went astray." Al Stewart)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

You are so right. The Democrats have played this correctly. They have the Republicans negotiating and compromising with theirselves!


97 posted on 07/27/2011 3:36:55 PM PDT by sheana
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To: Drill Thrawl

I like your punch list.


98 posted on 07/27/2011 3:43:20 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: CharlyFord

99 posted on 07/27/2011 5:12:32 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: newzjunkey
Do not stab the House GOP in the back.

Republican first, Conservative last, eh?

100 posted on 07/27/2011 5:14:58 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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