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Are Jews Too Elitist To Accept Gwyneth Paltrow’s Jew-ish Kids?
Jewish Journal ^ | 7-27-11 | Ilana Angel

Posted on 07/27/2011 4:49:39 PM PDT by SJackson

Gwyneth Paltrow has, at one time or another, announced that she does not believe in religion, is simply spiritual, and is raising her kids Jewish. Perhaps she is a little confused about what she wants to do, or practice, but at the end of the day, does it even matter? I say yes it does.

The Jewish population is getting smaller. With inter-faith marriage, people opting to not have children at all, or simply stepping away from religion entirely, there are less and less Jews every year, so I figure if a woman wants to raise her kids Jewish, who am I to judge?

We need more Jews! Our faith dictates that our religion is passed on from mother to child, so by that criteria, Gwyneth Paltrow is not Jewish, so neither are her kids, so she cannot possibly raise them to be Jews. That is simply a ridiculous argument in any scenario.

Lance Armstrong’s mother was not a champion cyclist, but she raised one. Neil Armstrong’s parents never went to space, but they raised a son to walk on the moon. I have never won an Oscar, but I am raising a child who will be an award-winning actor and director one day.

I am Jewish by birth. My family has been Jewish, on both sides, for as far back as we have been able to trace, so does that qualify me to raise my son Jewish more than Gwyneth is to raise her children Jewish? Are Jews so elitist that we would tell her she can’t do it?

My son spent ten years in a private Jewish Day School and I had to Google half of the holidays they closed for because not only did I not know what the holidays were, but had never heard of them. I eat lobster and make my son cheeseburgers, so am I qualified to raise a Jew?

Paltrow is a big star, people listen to what she says, so if she can make it cool to be Jewish, I say rock on sister. Jews are cool baby. On behalf of my Jewish self, and my Jewish son, I say welcome. Do whatever you want. It’s an important thing to give your children faith.

To clarify, Apple will need to convert if she wants to marry my son, but no worries, you will have done all the legwork so it will just be a formality. In a world where Jews continue to struggle to be accepted, I welcome those who wants to take it on and say to you all, keep the faith.


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1 posted on 07/27/2011 4:49:43 PM PDT by SJackson
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How is it elitist? Neither she nor her kids are Jewish. There’s nothing to accept.


2 posted on 07/27/2011 4:56:16 PM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: SJackson

There’s plenty of Jews who are not religious. Saul Alinsky, Noam Chomsky, Barbara Streisand, Rob Reiner, and etc. all come to mind.


3 posted on 07/27/2011 4:57:45 PM PDT by MeganC (Are you better off than you were four years ago?)
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Elitist, sure, like any group which has laws and follows them. This is an issue only because the author and her kind decide to raise it, in the context of elitism. To her, the Norway killer could be Jewish, if he said it was.

The fact is Gwyneth would have no problem converting, or overseeing the conversion of her children, irrespective of her faith. Orthodox might be problematical, but I've no doubt she could find a Reform Congregation which would be happy to educate and extend membership to her children. Which is a good thing. Even to Gwyneth, should she decide to convert.

4 posted on 07/27/2011 4:58:49 PM PDT by SJackson (Normal people don't sit cross-legged on the floor and bang on drums, WI State Sen Glenn Grothman (R))
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To: Poison Pill
How is it elitist? Neither she nor her kids are Jewish. There’s nothing to accept.

So you're saying Judaism is purely racial? That there is no such thing as religious Jewish conversion?

Then why call it a religion?

Why not just designate it as a race?

5 posted on 07/27/2011 5:00:52 PM PDT by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: SJackson
Just curious...but if one has no clearly defined faith oneself--why choose Judaism? What is it about Judaism that is appealing to one with no faith of their own?

Of course, Judaism is not monolithic either, is it? You can bet that Gwyneth isn't raising the kids as Orthodox Jews!

6 posted on 07/27/2011 5:02:25 PM PDT by Lysandru
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To: Poison Pill

Her Dad, Bruce (gag), was Jewish. He was one of the meanest humans you could imagine. If he was the only example of a Jewish man I had ever known I wouldn’t want any part of it.


7 posted on 07/27/2011 5:02:39 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: SJackson

These people are as jewish as Ted Kennedy is Catholic.


8 posted on 07/27/2011 5:02:49 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: SJackson

This is just plain weird to me. Why can’t Gwyneth Paltrow simply dedicate herself to this faith until her children are grown? What’s so hard about that? My father was not a religious man but he dragged along to church with us every Sunday just to hold up his side.

What’s next? Practising Catholics raising their kids to be Muslims? I guarantee it: some crazy film star with too much time on her hands is gonna come up with some bizarre variation on this theme.


9 posted on 07/27/2011 5:03:45 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Casey Anthony is guilty as hell)
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To: SJackson

Actually, she has prominent Jewish ancestry, albeit on her father’s side, which boasts several prominent rabbis from Poland. Her story was featured on “Who do you think you are” (ancestry.com research show) - fascinating stuff.


10 posted on 07/27/2011 5:06:14 PM PDT by agrace
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To: Deb

Why do have to bring his Jewishness into it, huh? I believe you that he was a mean guy - most guys in Hollywood are mean guys. Someone in my family is a Hollywood player and he’s not such a nice guy, either. He’s an Irish Catholic. Sheesh.


11 posted on 07/27/2011 5:07:04 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Casey Anthony is guilty as hell)
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To: SJackson

Wasn’t Sammy Davis Jr. Jewish? Not via genetics but by conversion?


12 posted on 07/27/2011 5:07:04 PM PDT by liege (Proud Hobbit with no intention of going back to Middle Earth.)
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To: Talisker
So you're saying Judaism is purely racial? That there is no such thing as religious Jewish conversion?

Of course there is. Hopefully Gwyneth will avail herself of that for her children, even herself. If she rejects conversion, that's her choice as well.

13 posted on 07/27/2011 5:07:19 PM PDT by SJackson (Normal people don't sit cross-legged on the floor and bang on drums, WI State Sen Glenn Grothman (R))
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To: Poison Pill

I believe her father was jewish.

Her “godfather” is Steven Spielberg, fwiw


14 posted on 07/27/2011 5:07:32 PM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: SJackson
she's a poser and this is a fad and simply a phase she is going through nothing more
15 posted on 07/27/2011 5:08:33 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: SJackson

“With inter-faith marriage, people opting to not have children at all, or simply stepping away from religion entirely, there are less and less Jews every year”

Hmmm....There’s something missing, which I think is one of the reasons the Jewish population is decreasing.

And I’m sure a good number of freepers know what that is.


16 posted on 07/27/2011 5:08:58 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: Lysandru
Just curious...but if one has no clearly defined faith oneself--why choose Judaism? What is it about Judaism that is appealing to one with no faith of their own?

Don't know, that's a personal choice. Which usually stems from something, hopefully something serious. This article doesn't mention it, but I believe Gwyneth is into Hollywood Kaballah. Red strings, magic water, not Judaism, but I suspect that's a factor.

17 posted on 07/27/2011 5:11:14 PM PDT by SJackson (Normal people don't sit cross-legged on the floor and bang on drums, WI State Sen Glenn Grothman (R))
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To: SJackson

This woman is clueless. “Making it cool”? Rock on sister? It is more than that. If Paltrow is a Jew, her kids are Jewish BUT that is NOT being a Jew. Being a Jew means keeping the mitzvot. If She or her kids are Jewish (if not they can convert) and keep the mitvot, they are being Jews and the “elites” (what type of elite) will say nothing. This author should put her money where her mouth is and stop eating sea-insects and stop feeding her kid milk and meat together etc etc.


18 posted on 07/27/2011 5:11:55 PM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: miss marmelstein
This is just plain weird to me. Why can’t Gwyneth Paltrow simply dedicate herself to this faith until her children are grown?

Maybe she is, I don't know. But that would seem to be the sensible approach. How do you raise children in a religion you don't share? As a hypothetical, I'm not sure how much of this is our business.

19 posted on 07/27/2011 5:14:16 PM PDT by SJackson (Normal people don't sit cross-legged on the floor and bang on drums, WI State Sen Glenn Grothman (R))
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To: agrace
Actually, she has prominent Jewish ancestry, albeit on her father’s side...

Yes. She may very well be sincere.

20 posted on 07/27/2011 5:16:40 PM PDT by SJackson (Normal people don't sit cross-legged on the floor and bang on drums, WI State Sen Glenn Grothman (R))
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To: liege
Wasn’t Sammy Davis Jr. Jewish? Not via genetics but by conversion?

Yes.

21 posted on 07/27/2011 5:17:20 PM PDT by SJackson (Normal people don't sit cross-legged on the floor and bang on drums, WI State Sen Glenn Grothman (R))
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To: SJackson

What is her husband’s religion???


22 posted on 07/27/2011 5:19:06 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion is the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: blasater1960
This woman is clueless. “Making it cool”? Rock on sister? It is more than that. If Paltrow is a Jew, her kids are Jewish BUT that is NOT being a Jew.

She is not, which is why conversion is the option for her children. Conversion, not "raising". I acknowledge that's a bit odd when mom isn't Jewish. I don't know much about hubby, faith or whether he's around, but that could be a factor.

23 posted on 07/27/2011 5:20:11 PM PDT by SJackson (Normal people don't sit cross-legged on the floor and bang on drums, WI State Sen Glenn Grothman (R))
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To: Ann Archy

Don’t know


24 posted on 07/27/2011 5:21:34 PM PDT by SJackson (Normal people don't sit cross-legged on the floor and bang on drums, WI State Sen Glenn Grothman (R))
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To: SJackson

1Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Romans 10:1-4 KJV


25 posted on 07/27/2011 5:22:15 PM PDT by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever!)
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To: SJackson

Well, of course, in the end, it’s none of our business! But I wonder why she went to the press with this story. Personally, I don’t care what she does except object to the horrible name “Apple” she stuck on her poor kid!


26 posted on 07/27/2011 5:23:13 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Casey Anthony is guilty as hell)
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To: SJackson

So, why would Jews NOT accept her children as Jews??


27 posted on 07/27/2011 5:23:23 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion is the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Talisker
So you're saying Judaism is purely racial?

I never said any such thing. There are 2 ways to be considered a Jew. 1) You're mother is Jewish. 2) You convert. Neither Paltrow nor her kids qualify on either account.

28 posted on 07/27/2011 5:23:45 PM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: SJackson

This woman blows with whatever her current thought of the second is.


29 posted on 07/27/2011 5:24:41 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Lysandru
Just curious...but if one has no clearly defined faith oneself--why choose Judaism?

A friend of mine's wife, raised pretty much without religion, decided to convert to Judaism (my friend wasn't Jewish, so it wasn't a marriage thing). For her it was essentially a choice for monotheism but without Jesus. It came down to "this I believe and this I do not believe."

30 posted on 07/27/2011 5:27:20 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Ann Archy
So, why would Jews NOT accept her children as Jews??

Not sure I understand your question. If she raises her children as Jews within the Jewish community, that means in the context of Jewish education and Synagogue membership, for the kids not mom, they will.

31 posted on 07/27/2011 5:36:15 PM PDT by SJackson (Normal people don't sit cross-legged on the floor and bang on drums, WI State Sen Glenn Grothman (R))
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Are High Episcopalians Too Elitist to Accept Vicky Pollard's Episcopalian-ish kids?

Equally absurd


32 posted on 07/27/2011 5:36:21 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: SJackson

You can follow the Hebrew faith your whole life and never be a Jew because to be a Jew you must come from the line of Judah.


33 posted on 07/27/2011 5:36:30 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I’m not sure what you mean, but you are responding to my post which touched on conversion. Are you suggesting that the souls of Jewish converts weren’t present at Sinai, now finding their way?


34 posted on 07/27/2011 5:42:53 PM PDT by SJackson (Normal people don't sit cross-legged on the floor and bang on drums, WI State Sen Glenn Grothman (R))
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To: Poison Pill
I never said any such thing. There are 2 ways to be considered a Jew. 1) You're mother is Jewish. 2) You convert. Neither Paltrow nor her kids qualify on either account.

Those are the are two ways that Jews evaluate whether someone is Jewish. The rest of us who are not bound by rabinical rules on this often use the same criteria we use for every other ethnic group: if either parent is Jewish you are considered 1/2 Jewish.

Granted that wouldn't really cover the Sammy Davis Jr. case, but those are vanishingly rare.

35 posted on 07/27/2011 5:47:32 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: SJackson

I think first, she needs to read the Bible...

Gwyneth Paltrow Asks What the Bible Says About Homosexuality

That’s the question actress Gwyneth Paltrow, who practices Kabbalah, asked in her latest GOOP newsletter (an online publication that aims to “nourish the inner aspect”).

Her question was originally motivated by the story that broke last year about an Arkansas school board member, Clint McCance, who posted remarks urging gay youth to commit suicide in response to Spirit Day – a campaign to encourage support for gay youth. McCance later said he was sorry for his “ignorant comments” and he resigned from the school board.

That led Paltrow to say this in her newsletter, “A few months ago, in the heat of the tragic teen suicides that came about from intolerance of homosexuality, I saw a man on television who was apologizing for wishing death on gays from his facebook page. This member of an Arkansas school board was contrite for the violence in his words, but maintained that his values pertaining to homosexuality would remain, as he felt homosexuality was condemned in the bible. This concept, while foreign to me, is interesting, as it used to justify so much judgment and separation in our society.”


36 posted on 07/27/2011 5:50:59 PM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: SJackson

Gwyneth is kinda ditzy....She was great in “Country Strong”

Definitely I would consider her and her children Jewish if she raises them Jewish. But she should seal the deal by formally converting. She has prominent rabbis on her fathers side so converting should be easy. The world needs more Jews...only 16 million worldwide so go for it Gwyneth!!!


37 posted on 07/27/2011 5:53:52 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)
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To: Jack Black
if either parent is Jewish you are considered 1/2 Jewish.

Do you think someone can be 1/2 Christian?

38 posted on 07/27/2011 5:55:25 PM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: Jack Black

Car accident and conversion to Judaism

Davis nearly died in an automobile accident on November 19, 1954 in San Bernardino, California, as he was making a return trip from Las Vegas to Los Angeles.[15] The accident occurred at a fork in U.S. Highway 66 at Cajon Boulevard and Kendall Drive. Davis lost his left eye as a result; he wore an eye patch for at least six months following the accident.[16][17] He appeared on What’s My Line wearing the patch.[18] Later, he was fitted for a glass eye, which he wore for the rest of his life.

While in the hospital, Davis’ friend, performer Eddie Cantor, told him about the similarities between the Jewish and black cultures. Prompted by this conversation, Davis — who was born to a Catholic mother and Protestant father — began studying the history of Jews. He converted to Judaism several years later.[1] One passage from his readings (from the book A History of The Jews by Abram L. Sachar), describing the endurance of the Jewish people, intrigued him in particular: “The Jews would not die. Three millennia of prophetic teaching had given them an unwavering spirit of resignation and had created in them a will to live which no disaster could crush”.[19] In many ways, the accident marked a turning point in Davis’ career, taking him from a well-known entertainer to a national celebrity and icon.[15]


39 posted on 07/27/2011 5:56:24 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)
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To: TaraP

Yes. I’m reminded of a somewhat prominent Rabbi who, when counciling gays, tells them he’ll work with them on the other 622 Commandments. Which doesn’t condone 623, which one will answer for.


40 posted on 07/27/2011 5:56:24 PM PDT by SJackson (Normal people don't sit cross-legged on the floor and bang on drums, WI State Sen Glenn Grothman (R))
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To: TaraP

No significance to the numbers, obviously.


41 posted on 07/27/2011 5:57:08 PM PDT by SJackson (Normal people don't sit cross-legged on the floor and bang on drums, WI State Sen Glenn Grothman (R))
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To: Blood of Tyrants

all those who convert to Judaism according to the strictures of the sect they convert through are Jewish.


42 posted on 07/27/2011 5:57:22 PM PDT by avital2
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To: Poison Pill

If your father is Jewish and your mother is a gentile, des that mean your kids are gentiles?

Gene Simmons from Kiss is a Jew, the mother of his kids is a non-jew, I believe she says (Shannon Tweed) she does not believe in religion, although I don’t think she is an Atheist, so the kids are gentiles???

Does not make much sense IMHO....


43 posted on 07/27/2011 5:58:55 PM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: Poison Pill

No one is born a Christian, and you cannot be a Christian if your parents are...

You have to make a decision all on your own to believe that Christ is the SON of GOD and died for your sins....

If you do, wether you are born a Jew or Gentile then you can identify as being a *Christian*


44 posted on 07/27/2011 6:02:27 PM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: SJackson

I agree with you on that!


45 posted on 07/27/2011 6:04:09 PM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: SJackson

No, just saying that the faith they follow is the faith of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Jacob’s 12 sons. Anyone can follow that faith as did the Samaritans of the time of Jesus (who were looked down upon by the Jews). But to be a Jew, you must be from the line of Judah. Others are followers of the Jewish faith.

Just like I could move to China and learn the language and culture but I would never be Chinese.


46 posted on 07/27/2011 6:06:30 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Poison Pill

What would you consider a child born to a Jewish mother and father, but when the child was born the parents had converted to the Christian faith? Is the child born a Jew or a gentile? because you cannot be born a Christian no one can..That is why they call becoming a Christian *Born Again*

Not of the flesh but of the spirit....


47 posted on 07/27/2011 6:08:31 PM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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...so if she can make it cool to be Jewish, I say rock on sister. Jews are cool baby.

Is this the Jewish religion she's talking about, or is it some twitter twang I'm not in on?

48 posted on 07/27/2011 6:08:56 PM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: SJackson
It is not a question of elitism; it is a question of halacha. Pretty Gwyneth Paltrow is not really Jewish. Her mother, Blythe Danner, is a Quaker.

Maybe Gwyneth can convert and her kids can convert. That is what Dr. Laura did. And she also did it for her warrior son, Derek.

49 posted on 07/27/2011 6:09:08 PM PDT by Stepan12 (Palin & Bolton in 2012)
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To: Stepan12

So is Gwyneth Paltrow a Quaker or a Gentile?


50 posted on 07/27/2011 6:12:07 PM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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