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Posted on 07/27/2011 5:13:31 PM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet
Correct, and that all happened with D’s in the House, Senate and WH. Now the GOP comes to put huge restraints on it. Good, this is all good and we all support them.
Here’s the only problem, that money spent in the last 5 years is just that...SPENT. We owe it, we have to pay for it, we already consumed it. Those are obligations. Water under the bridge, whatever you want to call it, we OWE IT.
Too many people here do not understand that which is quite interesting. We have to pay for what we bought.
“I cannot support something I have not read. That is old Washington, I am not. I will not support phantom, 10 year spending cuts. I will support substantial, immediate spending cuts. You say the Rats & Obama have the power, so we must deal. Well, let them propose & see what passes. Without real spending cuts, we will let the debt limit do the job Congress refuses to do.”
“This is what my constituents expect of me. They do not expect me to make empty deals with spendthrift Rats. They will rightly vote me out if I violate this trust.”
See, Mr. Boehner, many have only been in WDC 7 months, yet you would have them commit political suicide to satisfy your desire to maintain power.
Hobbits will resign Bonehead soon.
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We know the dems won’t do the right thing. You Republicans have been every chance in the world to do the right thing and you won’t either.
Boy does Washington DC need some heavy disinfecting.
But that ONE house of Congress is the House of Representatives -- the one body with a veto-proof stranglehold on federal spending. All spending bills must originate in the House, period. While the Senate may reject a House bill and the President may the veto a bill passed by both houses, not a penny can be appropriated unless it was first authorized by the House.
Here's the really beautiful part... Let's say those scary, mean Senators reject the House budget. So what? The Senate can't originate its own version -- so if it won't ultimately go along, NOTHING gets appropriated. And let's say the big bad, President vetoes a bill passed by both houses. So what? He can't spend what hasn't been appropriated. While the President may veto a bill, he cannot veto the absence of a bill -- so if the House fails to appropriate funds in the first place, the President can't do a damned thing about it.
The House of Representatives holds the ultimate power of the purse. The simple problem is that GOP "leaders" lack the courage to wield that power as the Founders designed it. We have chosen poorly, and we are about to suffer terribly for our poor choices...
The only time they are not fresh meat, is when they are putting on their cave suits.
Playing to not lose never makes you a winner.
I used to think like you, checking the rats is better than losing it all. But we are past the point where we can play the compromise game and live for another day. Look at where it has gotten us.
We don't have a second chance, government size and spending is totally out of control. It will devour us even if we try to compromise. We need to draw the line in the sand and hold it this time. If not now, then when? How many more trillion dollar debt increases can we handle before it becomes a problem in your eyes?
You call it "Conservutopia". Utopia is a lefty dream of perfection, fairness, and equality. Conservatives live in reality, where people, things, and outcomes are not fair or equal by nature. That reality is imperfect but necessary for the continued health of this nation. If demanding government be responsible is Utopian, we truly are in trouble.
In politics,the game is always playing not to lose. That’s the reality. You know why? Because when you play to win and you lose, you have to wait 2, 4, 6 years to get another chance at it. So it’s a game of containment, small victories. Big reaches lead to defeat. Study your history. Big victories usually lead to squashing defeats soon after.
Mostly they need to keep the pitchforks in the barns along with the dopes that vote for them.
Do you know where your pitchfork is? I think yours is still in the barn.
And when you play to not lose, you never win.
WWII wasn't about not losing, it was about winning over an intolerable enemy.
The Revolutionary War wasn't about not losing, it was all or nothing.
There are times when the stakes are too high to compromise. I think this is true now. As I said, I used to think as you do. But things are different now.
And yes, I do read history, thank you.
The Golden Rule.
He who holds the gold, makes the rules.
Forgot about that one. That’s a Newt with Nancy moment. Seared in my mind now, though.
Mr. Speaker, get your ass out of the way.
Really...we’re comparing WWII to policy fights? Really?
I live in California where my conservative leanings mean squat, unfortunately. Nothing I can do about it. This state is gone. The rest of the country, not so much. You have an anti-conservative press willing to do their bidding. They will do everything in their power to pin this craphole economy on the GOP. I say, get a deal done, don’t let these jerkoffs do it. Do your biggest battle in 2012. Take a minor victory, take a major victory when we win the presidency in 2012 and the Senate, then you can get real reform done.
No matter what bill the House passes, it's DOA in the Senate. Boehner is incompetent, and he must be replaced.
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