Posted on 07/28/2011 9:11:32 PM PDT by bronxville
I think I read your thread a few weeks ago, about your daughter in a math class?
Infuriating!
“Great tag line.”
Thanks USARightSide. I’ve had it for many months and remain confident. : )
This sexual promiscuity started being pushed by the media and Foundation and Universities and government (in unison) in the 1950’s which led to Marcuse’s sexual revolution. It was steered. Mass conformity was permitted by indoctrination in the public schools. which destroys morality—switches Moral Absolutes to moral relativism.
They used BF Skinner, Kinsey, The Beats, Hefner, etc. in the 1950’s. This has been a generational conditioning which is speeding up now to high gear to kill all remnants of Christian ideology. This “kill God” movement has been going on for centuries though....they just didn’t have the means for mass conditioning until central control of the school system and textbooks and control of all Hollywood and radio. They don’t have absolute control obviously....but almost....now. Internet was big problem, as was talk radio. The Catholic Church, one of the few Christian Churches that never accepted contraception in the 30’s and biggest faithful marriage supporter has been crippled with the help of mass media 24/7 to create perceptions that the Church is more evil than other organizations but the infiltration of the Catholic Church was also accomplished to a degree with all this “rebellion” from within. The Pope’s encyclicals seem to be right on point though and against the “Age of Relativism”. It is hard to know what is going on and who is controlling the “ideas” with all the White Noise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OTOH, it was something that needs to be done more often now,instead of all the PC "social" promotions.
YIKES !
Yes, that was me.
“They are all as evil as those in the pit of hell.”
You nailed it. I was shocked by what I found when investigating an individual who wrote a play consisting of lies and deception which wasn’t challenged by the secularist press. The investigation led me back to the 14th c. There’s always a “book”, “play”, “painting”, encouraged, paid and promoted by the benefactors of a selected craftsman, someone not necessarily bright but by promotion through prizes, such as, the Royal Garter or a Nobel opens many university doors thus becoming “experts” on the continuum. Money certainly influences the press, universities, reviewers, etc. Ruskin wrote his “book” on art and suddenly became one of their “experts”. He was the benefactor of the per-Raphaels – they painted what he wanted which was naked pagan women in order to promote “Do what thou wilt”. Christ was removed from art in the so-called Romantic era, we got scenic views...now we get the Cross in a bucket of urine and it’s art. No one notices as it’s done by stealth. It pisses me off that the benefactors got/get their riches via theft and killing – millions of souls dead by their hands. Agrippa, Kant, Voltaire, John Dee, Sartre, Marx, Wellhausen, Freud, Keynes, Kierkegaard, Russell, Dewy, Darwin, Blavatsky, Baileys,...Rachel Carson, etc. The principles that these thinkers, promoted by benefactors have been affecting our lives and insidiously infected minds. One had to hold onto Jesus Christ as an anchor else be swayed. Religion has and always will be the driver...not money or power...though one must have the latter first. Anyone who stood/stands against them were vilified – nothing much changes. It’s the same plan. Interbreeding, marriage as a front, culling the weeds, sexual orgies, drugs, devil worship was a norm for these people. It’s amazing how it was done led by the prince of lies and deception.
Picture this guy mocking St Francis...they’re “rakes” just having fun...they couldn’t cover for Crowley so he’s portrayed as a lone lunatic...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Dashwood
Connected to the powerful Cecil line...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vita_Sackville-West
Homosexuals have claimed Ganymedes as their patron (possibly man/boy connotation.
Attis...used in all the revolutions around that time...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrygian_cap
nopardons...I don’t define them by one of their tens of labels. I generalize by calling them all Gnostics or Luciferians, otherwise it would make my head spin in confusion, which perhaps is the intent. I was focused on Ruskin rather than the pre-Raphaels. And thanks for correcting my spelling...Blavatsky. Probably lots more on this post. :)
Wow, you have done more research than me on this subject. I actually had to quit, it was really getting so upsetting....to understand the sheer evil of these people. But then, I realized that evil has always existed and always will....it is the nature of man. I read more CS Lewis then.
Whittaker Chambers ex KGB, said it in his book Witness....There is a culture war, he said, and it is God v. man and man is winning. That was in the 1950’s.
Ayn Rand mentioned around that time also that all the Foundations and publishing houses and media were dedicated to the destruction of values in society. Just like the Weimar Republic in Germany.
I read that the Masons were tied up into this movement also and I saw the nastiest video ever on their secret ceremonies a year or so ago.....disgusting people. No morality whatsoever!!!!
Did some of those artists paint nude women? Yes, but damned few and in the scheme of things, those nude paintings were in a classical style and completely unsexual in nature.
Were there a few paintings based on "pagan" themes? Even fewer than the nudes and in the vast majority ( 98%,or thereabouts) of these every single person is wearing clothes !
The Pre-Rapaelite Brotherhood was formed in 1848, when a great revival of the KING ARTHUR legend and the flowering of chivalry was in high swing in London. An extremely large portion of this group's painting deal with that legend and chivalry motifs.
The next two grouping of thematic painting are religious works ( CHRISTIAN ! )and everyday life in England.
Yes, Ruskin championed the Pre-Raphaelites, he also went on attack against those who were trashing Turner; for which he deserves high praise indeed.
You really overgeneralized some of your propositions and could use a wee bit of help sorting out the others. FREEPmail me if you want to continue the discussion. :-)
FYI..............patronage has, until relatively recently ( by people and the church; not governments ) has been the norm. There's no real conspiracy there; though yes, bias and the patron's ideas ( especially by the catholic church ) were fully expected to be reflected in the painting, play, what have you. Those who pay the piper get to choose the sing; as it were.
The Order of the Garter is NOT doled out to nobodies such as painters or playwrite! There are only ever 24 of then and the King and the Prince of Wales; that's it. Yes, some have been politicians, but they also have to be Earls, Barons, or at the least, knights. And in the 19th century, the rules were even more strict.
Now had you concentrated more on the Bloomsbury Group ( which included quite a few painters and writers ), you would have been on firmer ground. They and the Fabians lead down the proverbial primrose path;so to speak.
Cut that crapola out! The Masons are neither evil nor immoral! Many of your fellow FREEPERS are not only Masons, but hold the highest degrees in Masonry; many are family members of Masons and were/are Rainbow Girls, Job's Daughters, and/or Eastern Stars! I don't care what you saw, it was utter gabage and biased.
And FYI............Ayn Rand was a degenerate, a highly immoral woman, who was often full of excrement.
Hollywood, in the '50s, was still ruled by the moguls/studio system ( though on it's last legs ) and you can thank them all for the Americanization of the immigrants, as well and for raising patriotic feelings in their audiences. Sure, there were some exceptions, but by and large, your view of what America should be, comes directly from most of those moguls and the movies their companies churned out by the boat load.
You’re disconnected from a bigger more inclusive pattern which didn’t begin with the Bloomsbury Group, Cambridge Apostles, Fabians...there’s been many prior which gets passed down by some. The Royal Garter was but one example, just as the Nobel was but one example...the bestowing of titles, mansions, cash, land, was also a part of the prize-giving or graft. Granted I went through the centuries fast but this is a post and not a book.
RE: sp. errors...sorry, write fast due to time restraints..
The Secret Society of Dilettanti 1734 - Prince Charles is an hononory member - benefactor Dashwood - see link above.
“Ribald and profane, the Society nurtured a lively curiosity for ancient erotica, piqued by the sensational finds of sexually explicit art in Herculaneum and Pompeii. They made a subversive contribution to the interpretation of ancient mythology and religion with A Discourse on the Worship of Priapus, which drew from reports of a phallic cult in southern Italy. Designed both to inform and to titillate, this daring treatise argued that all art is rooted in religion, and all religion in sexuality. The exhibition Grecian Taste and Roman Spirit includes what scandalized critics termed “obscene” artifacts, installed in an intimate, dimly lit gallery evoking the “museo segreto,” or a cabinet of erotic curiosities”. ...
http://www.artknowledgenews.com/Society_of_Dilettanti.html
I wish there was more time in the day. I believe when you start digging you’ll find a common thread throughout. Take care.
Some people try to make the Order of the Garter into a "pagan/witchcraft" thing. Yes, I know that version of it's origin. But since that's a bit tinfoily, you truly can't just throw that out there and just leave lie.
Well I do know about Dashwood and his "HELLFIRE CLUB". Benjamin Franklin was an auxillary member.
What you failed to do with the Pre-Raphaelites ( misspelling is one thing, a total corruption of a name/term is something quite different and yes, late hours plus hast often culminates in a somewhat messed up post; I've done it to myself, here and there )was to really tie it into your position. OTOH, you managed to leave out some things which should have been in there.........such a s Mary Woolstonecraft and her circle. She was a proponent of "FREE LOVE" and her husband William Godwin was one of the earlier "founders" of the anarchist movement. Their daughter, Mary Woolstonecraft Godwin, later Shelley, used some of her mother's ideas about the "perfection of man", in her novel; "FRANKENSTEIN".
What is sorely missing from your treatise, is the fact that all of these people and things were at the outer fringe of the fringe; unaccepted by the vast majority of the populace,most of whom didn't even know about such things and who were not in the least influenced by them.
Then, there is the simple fact that such things as spiritualism, which allowed Blavatsky,for instance, to come to the fore, is grounded in what happens after major wars and has, for millenia.It's even in the Bible ( see THE WITCH OF ENDOR, for reference )! When people are killed, their relatives yearn to reach out to them/their spirits/souls. This was especially true during/right after the Civil War, WWI and yes, WW II and Nam. These eras also saw great sudden interest in the occult and mysticism. And through Blavatsky, buts especially Besant, and then the Beatles, of all people, a surge in interest of all things "mysterious" from India.
You simply can NOT tie all of these things together, in a neat little package, and say that it's an unbroken line of "evil" taking over.............or some such tinfoil. Sure there are some connections, but once you start down the slippery path, as you sort of did, you get someone piping up, erroneously, about the Mason, or even the Bohemian Grove.
“Wow, you have done more research than me on this subject. I actually had to quit, it was really getting so upsetting....to understand the sheer evil of these people. But then, I realized that evil has always existed and always will....it is the nature of man. I read more CS Lewis then.”
Sorry susie, I just noticed your post. I haven’t read Lewis for a while myself, read Chesterton and Hilaire Belloc more recently. They were all great apologists against the Fabians especially GK’s “eugenics and other evil ways” and specific writings to GB Shaw. I went to school in Belfast, Dundee, and London - admit to being more familiar with Anglo/Irish history. An old friend, Fr. Malachi Martin (RIP), provided many clues which today are prophetic, unfortunately he continues to be maligned on the net as a kook.
“Whittaker Chambers ex KGB, said it in his book Witness....There is a culture war, he said, and it is God v. man and man is winning. That was in the 1950’s.”
I’ve heard the name but haven’t read the book. Yes, the breakdown of the family, contraceptives, abortions, divorce, homosexual partners, homosexual marriage, man/boy relationships next? All but the latter have become openly acceptable, even in Churches, and in only a few decades which is shattering.
“Ayn Rand mentioned around that time also that all the Foundations and publishing houses and media were dedicated to the destruction of values in society. Just like the Weimar Republic in Germany.”
Fr Malachi Martin: “Cultural Marxism is the key to creating an integrated society that will achieve political and economic control in the name of “social justice.”” I think he said that in the seventies.
“I read that the Masons were tied up into this movement also and I saw the nastiest video ever on their secret ceremonies a year or so ago.....disgusting people. No morality whatsoever!!!!”
The gentry tell the story that they “transitioned” into the operative Guilds in 1717 which was why they changed “operative” to “specular” masons, apt, considering they never worked a day in their lives. The date is puzzling though as they were practicing this it decades before in Ireland. An aside - there’s a bridge called Balls Bridge in Cork or Limerick which freemason writers insist on calling Baal’s Bridge. The only connection one can think of is...Ba’al.
Dashwood insisted on a Catholic Abbey. There many around due to the “Dissolution of the Monastries” so he bought one and renovated it suit. There are three temples all filled with sexual stuff. The women were called “nuns” and men called “monks”. 12 male apostles, he was the 13th, and known as the “Abbot”. The name reminds me of the Cambridge Apostles. They’re into symbolism...interesting how they change their titles from Lord Sandwich this to Sir Despence that...They also changed the name of their clubs quite frequently...not unlike the statists. One day these individuals will show themselves for what they are...
The women were wives, mothers, sisters, cousins, prostitutes... The male members were fathers, brothers, cousins, artists, writers, politicans, bankers...
All have such wealth, power and prestige. What if they acted as a global collective? What a political bonanzo. They could even change the world to suit themselves - did their decendents carry on the tradition one might wonder.
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/history/hellfire/hellfire.html
http://www.montaguemillennium.com/familyresearch/monks.htm
Buck Whaley ?Baron, Earl of Rosse, Sir Jack St Levy...the latter is related to Elizabeth St Levy - the first woman mason. Jack St Levy was known to practice the dark art. I suspect her father did as well...
http://comeheretome.wordpress.com/2010/01/06/buck-whaley-and-the-hellfire-club/
Buck Whartons Memoirs - interesting read thusfar...
http://www.archive.org/stream/cu31924028518730/cu31924028518730_djvu.txt
Buck repented his earlier life before his death at around 34 y/o.
We used to color-code the kids, but they don’t let us do it any more.
I’m not writing a thesis and you’re not my professor.
So sorry to have thrown you for a loop, but then, perhaps you just need an audience who have never heard of the groups and/or people you have decided to impugn,mislabel, and/or misspell. LOL
You could start by taking a page out of your own book and label them correctly. They’re called the Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood.
Impugning? I can back up everything I post. I’ve yet to be challenged.
No, you can't "back up"everything you posted. I suggest that you go back and read through this discussion, because I previously blew holes through what you claimed the P-RB used as subject matter; for only one example.
If you want to continue with this, I suggest that we do it in private, as it is off topic. This thread is about uniforms color coded for intellect/grades, for students in England and though you intertwined your cultural theory with that, we're in the deep woods now; no longer relevant or probably interesting to anyone else but us.
“My stupid kid beat up your honor student.”
“Oh gee.another mordant anti-Masonic moron!”
“Cut that crapola out!”
“So sorry to have thrown you for a loop, but then, perhaps you just need an audience who have never heard of the groups and/or people you have decided to impugn,mislabel, and/or misspell.”
More of your errors...
“Mary Woolstonecraft” - the correct spelling is Mary Wollstonecraft.
“P-RB” - they all signed their paintings PRB.
People can look up the Pre-Rafaelite paintings and judge the Symbolism(s) depicted which are many. It’s interesting that the Pre-Raphaelites revived the occultist Blake, who had died unknown. Swinburn promoted Blake’s demonic poetry, and Rossetti promoted his art. It’s also interesting that Ruskin happened to be an occultist. And it’s also interesting that Blake is listed as a saint by the Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.) as is Sir Richard Payne Knight, a member of the Society of Dilletanti. Anyway as I’ve already stated - I’m not writing a book - just a few asides from many.
You boxed in Godwin and Wollstonecraft - it’s only a nanith of what any of this is all about. You don’t get any of it. Sorry, I’ve got no intention of talking to you off-line as you’ve got nothing to contribute other than blustering.
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