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Support shifts as Boehner adds balanced-budget amendment
The Hill ^ | July 29, 2011 | The Hill Staff

Posted on 07/29/2011 9:33:47 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet

House Republicans will link passage of a balanced-budget amendment to Speaker John Boehner’s (R-Ohio) last-ditch debt-ceiling plan, which GOP lawmakers said would move the measure to passage in a high-stakes vote later on Friday.

Republican lawmakers voiced confidence the enhanced bill would pass muster with conservatives, as Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) predicted the balanced-budget amendment change would bring 10 to 20 more GOP members on board.

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KEYWORDS: balanced; boehner; budget; obama
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Its amazing what the new centurians (newly-elected conservatives) can accomplish if they stick together.
1 posted on 07/29/2011 9:33:51 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

The GOP had best learn to play hard ball with the members it has now, because I don’t see them getting too many more.

TEA party yes...GOP not so much.


2 posted on 07/29/2011 9:36:48 AM PDT by chris37 (representative)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

What’s the big deal about the House passing this. The buffoons in the Senate said they aren’t going to pass it and the Kenyan said he’d veto it. This is nothing but an exercise in stupid.


3 posted on 07/29/2011 9:37:13 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Hey Barry! Compromise this!!!)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

bump.


4 posted on 07/29/2011 9:37:54 AM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

God Bless them! This is about saving our Constitutional Republic from a bunch of commie thugs and it is time to put it all on the line.

Let the record show that OBAMA and his socialist minions trashed what real Americans want and need for their country. And there is no doubt.


5 posted on 07/29/2011 9:38:03 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

All a balanced budget amendment does is makes you have a balanced plan. But that plan can include as much borrowing as you like. And that plan can include overly rosy projections on everything.

It doesn’t make you live within in your means. And what’s the penalty if congress doesn’t reach an agreement on a balanced budget?


6 posted on 07/29/2011 9:38:09 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
Can you say "Thank You, Tea Party!"?
7 posted on 07/29/2011 9:39:24 AM PDT by moovova (Obama rolled up his sleeves...and cut 2 strokes off his golf score.)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

No wonder Reid and Chuckie just now came front and center.


8 posted on 07/29/2011 9:39:37 AM PDT by ILS21R ("Every night before I go to sleep, I think who would throw stones at me?", she said.)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
Does anyone seriously believe that there are 290 votes in the House for a BBA (never mind 67 in the Senate)?

Besides, a BBA is a waste of time. Any BBA which could pass Congress will have enough loopholes to make it meaningless.

The States need to amend the Constitution to extend the gold and silver clause in Article I section 10 to the Federal government, and a balanced budget will be the result.

9 posted on 07/29/2011 9:39:54 AM PDT by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

>>What’s the big deal about the House passing this. The buffoons in the Senate said they aren’t going to pass it and the Kenyan said he’d veto it. This is nothing but an exercise in stupid.<<

Sort of.

You have to hit the ball into the other court and the opponent bears responsibility for what they do with it. At least this one has some good top-spin.


10 posted on 07/29/2011 9:40:51 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Hot damn. Now pass it.


11 posted on 07/29/2011 9:41:07 AM PDT by Principled
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To: FlingWingFlyer

then THEY own it. Not us. They don’t WANT to own it. Screw them.


12 posted on 07/29/2011 9:41:29 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

I agree...

I still believe this will fail in the Senate...More so with this amendment to the bill...

I had heard there was a convention of agreement in the GOP circles up there that the BBA was going to be presented as a stand alone bill...

I think they are reaching, but at least we’ll better know what the outcome is going to be, and that has got to pizz the WH off to no end...

They’ll (dems and the WH) can’t really manipulate the demise of the BBS without getting egg on their faces...I think even the stupid people voting base they have won’t like that part of the deal...

All in all it is coming to a head, and this pimple is going to pop, and it ain’t going to be pretty...

Just my opinion...


13 posted on 07/29/2011 9:41:38 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Since we know the Liberals will not even discuss any Boehner plan, why not use the opportunity to present a consolidated position?

Should have done this right from the start.


14 posted on 07/29/2011 9:41:47 AM PDT by SMARTY (A claim for equality of material position can be met only by a government with totalitarian powers.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

No. As Reagan proved, symbolism is important.


15 posted on 07/29/2011 9:42:32 AM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

This is another stupid trick.

We’ll get a much larger debt limit, moved out of the way for Obama’s reelection campaign, more taxes, more spending.

Any budget cut will be promised for some other Congress to ignore, and a “balanced budget amendment” to be put off for endless House votes and eventually, years from now, ratification by the States. In terms of the current spending problem, “never”.

A statutory budget cut- passed as a bill by Congress- will happen. Promising to make some future annual budget lower carries no legal weight and as we have seen over the last 40 or so years won’t ever happen.


16 posted on 07/29/2011 9:42:44 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Principled
Hot damn. Now pass it.

"Let's roll."

17 posted on 07/29/2011 9:42:48 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
It reminds me of the Israelis giving up more and more land for peace! HA! It never works ... they just keep getting bombed.

Republicans keep compromising-- and for what?? "no good deed" and all that.

18 posted on 07/29/2011 9:42:48 AM PDT by jackv (The darkness hates the light!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
and the Kenyan said he’d veto it

Naturally the Kenyan will veto it - - the whole purpose of the Balanced Budget Amendment is to rein in and stop people like Ubama and his ilk. The important thing is that he actually be forced to veto it for the whole nation to see. And that's after the Senate rats have to go on record. See, Reid and his scumbags don't even want to have to vote on a Balanced Budget Amendment. They need to be forced to do so.

19 posted on 07/29/2011 9:43:17 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
This time if the House passes it they need to leave town immediately. Make the Senate Rats deal with it, without compromise.
Boehner still has the power to sell us out and I believe he will try.
20 posted on 07/29/2011 9:43:16 AM PDT by tobyhill (Real Spending Cuts Don't Require Increasing The Debt)
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To: DannyTN
And what’s the penalty if congress doesn’t reach an agreement on a balanced budget?

In CCB, spending is capped to avoid the simple politician's move to raise taxes. In CCB, if no agreement is reached to balance, automatic across-the-board cuts take place to reach balance.

I don't know what this most recent incarnation has in it yet.

21 posted on 07/29/2011 9:43:44 AM PDT by Principled
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To: FlingWingFlyer
What’s the big deal about the House passing this. The buffoons in the Senate said they aren’t going to pass it and the Kenyan said he’d veto it.

Good point, instead, the House should just raise the debt limit by $2.5 trillion and agree to whatever else Obama and Reid decide they want.

Crack negotiating.

22 posted on 07/29/2011 9:43:44 AM PDT by Crichton
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To: RobRoy

Yes. Tennis anyone?


23 posted on 07/29/2011 9:43:44 AM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: moovova
THANK YOU TEA PARTY!!!


24 posted on 07/29/2011 9:44:10 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
Isn't this wonderful? Something needed will be put in this bill. Send it to the Senate! Let Dingy Harry and McLame continue to wave their flag, and tell Americans and the House the Senate has decided to table ... balancing the budget. Battle Royal, On. Let us hear from these lame excuses for journalists in the media, and back Dingy.
25 posted on 07/29/2011 9:44:37 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: MestaMachine
then THEY own it. Not us.

I agree, BUT boy king, the Senate, and the DB LSM will place all the blame right at the feet of the GOP. Makes no difference what the FACTS are, none whatsoever.
26 posted on 07/29/2011 9:44:57 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

It’s a scam.

It’s nothing but meaningless political cover for Republicans for the next election, nothing else.

Watch the bottom line, which is how much, if any, they raise the debt ceiling. Nothing else is worth a bucket of warm spit.


27 posted on 07/29/2011 9:45:58 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (For decades they've kicked the can down the road. Sorry, but there's no more road.)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet


28 posted on 07/29/2011 9:46:52 AM PDT by Diogenesis (No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. - Mark Twain)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“and the Kenyan said he’d veto it. “

he can veto the spending bill, but he has no role in a constitutional amendment. teh joint congressional amendment goes to the States through the National Archivist, for ratification.


29 posted on 07/29/2011 9:46:56 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

So..
boner passes this - and we look better

THEN THE DEMOCRAPS HAVE TO VOTE IT DOWN~!!!

and even if they were to pass it

OBAMA HAS TO VETO IT~!!

HA HA HA HA HA

ut’s not CC and B but its better


30 posted on 07/29/2011 9:47:08 AM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Gees! This sounds like Groundhog Day. The House has already passed and sent to the Senate One of these! Boehner and crew needs to tell Harry and Berry, you already got a bill you Tabled. Vote on what you got ‘cause we goin’ home!


31 posted on 07/29/2011 9:47:29 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
To heck with the "balanced budget amendment" - I want the Thomas Jefferson Amendment:

"I wish it were possible to obtain a single amendment to our Constitution ... taking from the federal government their power of borrowing."

-- Thomas Jefferson (Letter of November 26th, 1798)


32 posted on 07/29/2011 9:47:36 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (For decades they've kicked the can down the road. Sorry, but there's no more road.)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Purely symbolic, but they should just pass something and get on with it. We look like idiots enough as it is, and Bambi and the Dems are already jeering and saying they’ll just have to “move on” without a bill from the House.

And if you think they can’t do it, you don’t know how much Obama hates our constitutional procedures. And how easy it is for him to ignore them, because he’s never held accountable. He has wanted to issue his own “proclamation” on this anyway, and the House’s inability to produce a bill has given him perfect cover.


33 posted on 07/29/2011 9:48:07 AM PDT by livius
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To: FlingWingFlyer

This is nothing but an exercise in stupid(y).

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Hardly.

We know exactly what Obama’s mob will do. This will put it all on the record that the socialist rats trashed EVERYTHING that America needs to solve our economic (and political) problems. Which, of course, was all created and presented by the Repubs!

Then it will be time for Obama and his ilk to stand and deliver. He has put forth nothing tangible as a solution -— just more socialist taxation and spending would be in line with his agenda of ruining the free, democratic system, including its capitalist economy, in America. We sit on the brink.


34 posted on 07/29/2011 9:48:53 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Boenher should go before the cameras and request an open debate, in front of the American people and have it live on CSpan 1 or 2. Not to talk about Bush, not to talk about Reagan, nothing but the current situation. Let the American people decide who is right or wrong.


35 posted on 07/29/2011 9:49:21 AM PDT by RC2
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To: FlingWingFlyer

So you’re a big help.

The House shouldn’t pass anything? Although an argument could be made that they did pass CCB and the Senate tabled it. If the House isn’t going to stand on the principle of what it passed, then they have to bring up something else.

I’m so proud of the Conservative Tea Party stalwarts currently holding the line. 67% of this country thinks the federal government should have to live with a balanced budget. Just like all states have to do, just like all us peons have to do. No entity, in the laws of economics, should be allowed to constantly spend more than they bring in. Lines of credit are fine but restraint.

We got a president who increased the debt limit from ten trillion to 14 trillion. and now he asks for the right to raise it to 17 plus trillion.

The pubs got a winner here but they don’t want to fight the battle. Scuse...the GOP Blue Blood Ruling Class elite.

Instead they make fun of us silly morons who want to keep that communist in the WH from dismantling and destroying this country. They have spines of rubber.

Don’t tell us to wait until the pubs own all the parts of the gubmint. Cause when we do, and we shall I am sure, we might have 70 senators, the prez, and 325 reps. Then they’ll ask us to wait until a second term for the repub prez, just to make sure, for about ten more senators to shore it up, and maybe fifty more reps to make it solid.

They’ll push it off again because they really don’t want to fight the war. They only want the cocktail party invites, cameras spanning their gorgeous bods slowly and with honor...THE HELL WITH US!

It’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

Balancing the budget....damn what a concept.


36 posted on 07/29/2011 9:49:21 AM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/201102/freerepublic-ping-list-compilation.html-Freep Ping Blog post)
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To: Jim Noble

I personally against any ammendent to the Constitution, Once they get into it they will totally destroy it. Politions have been wanting a Con Con for years


37 posted on 07/29/2011 9:49:28 AM PDT by paul revere is riding (I'm really a Paula.....Go Cain)
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To: Lancey Howard

He can’t veto the balanced budget amendment. It must go to he states. He is screwed if it passes. THAT is why the senate will kill it...unless any democrats still care one iota about their country.


38 posted on 07/29/2011 9:50:06 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: tobyhill
This time if the House passes it they need to leave town immediately. Make the Senate Rats deal with it, without compromise.

AMEN!

39 posted on 07/29/2011 9:50:32 AM PDT by tsowellfan ( Obamanomic Wreckovery - How's That Change Working For Ya?)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Repubics better get it through their stupid heads!....Deal with the Tea Party or get buried by it!


40 posted on 07/29/2011 9:50:37 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: SMARTY
Harry Reid will have to take up the bill and the Senate will have to pass it, but not unchanged. The House will probably pass the re-revised Boehner plan today. Then the Senate takes it up, strips out the BBA provision and passes the revised version. The House accepts the change and passes the final bill overwhelmingly with 90% of all Republicans and 60% of Dems voting for it. Everyone saves face and the game goes on, until we lose our AAA rating, our borrowing costs soar and the game shuts down for good.
41 posted on 07/29/2011 9:51:10 AM PDT by fluffdaddy (Who died and made the Supreme Court God?)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

If the House were to pass this “Boehner” bill, what’s to keep Reid and Senate dems from gutting it, passing it, and then punting it back to the House right before August 2nd, saying ok we’ve passed the Boehner bill with some minor changes, now in the spirit of compromise, if the House doesn’t hurry up and pass it, it will be the House and GOP’s fault that we go into default? Isn’t this what Rush was essentially saying yesterday?


42 posted on 07/29/2011 9:51:31 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Financial Repression.......it answers a lot of questions.....read about it on FinancialSense.com.)
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To: EagleUSA
Oh brother, please stop trying to pin the blame on Hussein. He's merely another in a long line of puppets beholden to Wall St/London banks. He does what he's told - that was the deal for accepting the nomination.

And, as far as attempting to 'save the Republic', you should give that one a rest as well. There are only a few possible outcomes, none of them pleasant, at this juncture:

Hussein (banks) rules by decree;
Congress impeaches;
The joint chiefs finally act;
States secede, civil war ensues

Once a democratic republic gets this far down the path to ruin, it never recovers until a complete reset is initiated.

43 posted on 07/29/2011 9:51:50 AM PDT by semantic
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To: paul revere is riding
I personally against any ammendent to the Constitution, Once they get into it they will totally destroy it. Politions have been wanting a Con Con for years

Well there you go...even MORE reason for the rubber-spined Blue Blood Ruling Class elite to do nothing but quake and shake in fear. Ammend the constitution? Insert looks or horror and fear here.

Can't DO THAT....shake, quiver...CAN'T DO THAT!!!

44 posted on 07/29/2011 9:51:50 AM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/201102/freerepublic-ping-list-compilation.html-Freep Ping Blog post)
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To: All; Tulsa Ramjet
Here's the thread with the actual bills

You'll need to scroll for the Friday update which only adds the Balanced Budget Amendment requirement.

45 posted on 07/29/2011 9:52:17 AM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: Mr. K
This is good.

Get the RATs on record as being against a Balanced Budget Amendment, and then have every GOP member in the country hammer them over it.

It only works if every GOP member is on the same page and they blast the RATs relentlessly, but it CAN work. Do we have the spine to do it?

46 posted on 07/29/2011 9:53:14 AM PDT by comebacknewt ((on second thought, never mind, go away again Newt))
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To: Fishtalk

Want to lock spending in at 19 or 18 % of GDP when it should never have exceeded 10%?

Just a thought.


47 posted on 07/29/2011 9:54:10 AM PDT by listenhillary (2007 deficit 160 Billion, 2008 - 458 billion, 2009 -1.4 Trillion, 2010 - 1.6 Trillion)
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To: DannyTN

“All a balanced budget amendment does is makes you have a balanced plan. But that plan can include as much borrowing as you like. And that plan can include overly rosy projections on everything.”

Apparently many people don’t realize that. It gives certain republicans a great opportunity for political posturing, though, doesn’t it?


48 posted on 07/29/2011 9:54:28 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: RobRoy
You have to hit the ball into the other court and the opponent bears responsibility for what they do with it. At least this one has some good top-spin.

To carry your analogy further, what happens if you hit it right in the center of your opponent's service court and your opponent and the official both yell "OUT" without even trying to return it?

49 posted on 07/29/2011 9:54:47 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (The Repubs and Dems are arguing whether to pour 9 or 10 buckets of gasoline on a burning house.)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Get out the Vaseline. No definition of balanced budget amendment.


50 posted on 07/29/2011 9:55:19 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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