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Support shifts as Boehner adds balanced-budget amendment
The Hill ^ | July 29, 2011 | The Hill Staff

Posted on 07/29/2011 9:33:47 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet

House Republicans will link passage of a balanced-budget amendment to Speaker John Boehner’s (R-Ohio) last-ditch debt-ceiling plan, which GOP lawmakers said would move the measure to passage in a high-stakes vote later on Friday.

Republican lawmakers voiced confidence the enhanced bill would pass muster with conservatives, as Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) predicted the balanced-budget amendment change would bring 10 to 20 more GOP members on board.

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To: semantic
Hussein (banks) rules by decree;

Congress impeaches;

The joint chiefs finally act;

States secede, civil war ensues

Well there you go. Even more reason the rubber-spined Blue Blood GOP Ruling Class should acquiesce to the Democrats. Dear Lord...the STATES WILL SECEDE! CIVIL WAR WILL ENSUE!!!

On a FreeRepublic thread, who knew?

51 posted on 07/29/2011 9:56:16 AM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/201102/freerepublic-ping-list-compilation.html-Freep Ping Blog post)
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To: Principled

In CCB, spending is capped to avoid the simple politician’s move to raise taxes. In CCB, if no agreement is reached to balance, automatic across-the-board cuts take place to reach balance. <<<<

It’s very hard to wave goodbye to the CC&B, and agonizing that we let Reid’s rejection of it cause us to also leave it in the can. How long can they all pound the sand?


52 posted on 07/29/2011 9:56:16 AM PDT by RitaOK (We hang together or will hang separately. 2012, or bust)
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To: stevie_d_64
I still believe this will fail in the Senate.

Anything they send will fail, that's the point.

53 posted on 07/29/2011 9:56:34 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Crichton
That last one is the default position of the rinos.
54 posted on 07/29/2011 9:57:00 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: Cheerio

Americans are watching this. They are focussed on this. PATRIOTS know the truth, and we will fight like hell for the truth. Besides that, we have an ace up our sleeve which, believe me, the left does not see coming. And it IS coming.


55 posted on 07/29/2011 9:57:04 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: MestaMachine
uh oh, Rush is saying, “Hold On.” and of course the amendment is only proposed, plus there is no specific language for an amendment ruling out tax increases to balance the budget. Looking like a set-up again, per Rush.
56 posted on 07/29/2011 9:57:19 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
A Balance Budget Amendment would be a disaster.

If you think things are bad now, just wait until we have a BBA and Obama makes the choice out to be one between starving Granny and making the "rich" pay their "fair" share.

ML/NJ

57 posted on 07/29/2011 9:58:35 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

6:25 pm
Cantor Says This Time, House GOP Leaders Have the Votes
by Corey Boles
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House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R., Va.) said Friday that the leadership now has enough votes to win passage of House Speaker John Boehner’s bill to cut spending and lift the federal debt ceiling. Mr. Boehner was forced to delay a vote planned for last night after conservatives in his caucus balked at supporting the measure, and demanded revisions including the addition of stronger language tying increasing the borrowing limit to passage of a balanced budget amendment.


58 posted on 07/29/2011 9:59:48 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper ("Don't Call My Bluff")
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To: ml/nj

The amendment drafted with CCB specified that only supermajorities could raise taxes to bridge a deficit, but that cuts would happen automatically in the event of imbalance.


59 posted on 07/29/2011 10:00:23 AM PDT by mrs9x
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To: comebacknewt

Add a freeze while you’re at it. Make the Feds get by on next year what they got by on this year. We’re all getting by on the same or less. Not employing the baseline raises due would allow the CBO to report that Cong. cut the budget $ 9 Trillion over the next ten years. Do you think that would help the credit ratings? This freeze does not apply to Soc. Sec., Medicare, or Veterans Payments.


60 posted on 07/29/2011 10:00:34 AM PDT by cumbo78
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

What are the details of the BBA? According to Rush there are NO details in the Boehner 3.0 bill. For me that’s a non-starter.


61 posted on 07/29/2011 10:01:06 AM PDT by ejdrapes (Can we keep our attacks focused on the real enemy: Obama)
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To: DBrow

States will seceed before they pass a new amendment. It’s expensive and it hasn’t been done that many times. There’s a reason for that.

This BBA is smoke and mirrors and it gives the Tea Party folks cover.


62 posted on 07/29/2011 10:01:10 AM PDT by Terry Mross (I will only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: MestaMachine
It must go to he states. He is screwed if it passes. THAT is why the senate will kill it

The Senate won't have to kill it.

A Constitutional amendment needs 290 votes in the House. Do you seriously believe there are 290 votes in the House to pass a (real) BBA?

63 posted on 07/29/2011 10:02:04 AM PDT by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: comebacknewt

Yeah cause that worked so well when they all voted against repealing Obamacare. sheesh
Noone remembers that crap, especially their favored groups.


64 posted on 07/29/2011 10:03:13 AM PDT by sheana
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

am I the only one that thinks a balanced budget amendment would be used as an excuse to raise taxes at some point?


65 posted on 07/29/2011 10:03:38 AM PDT by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW! (If you agree make this your tagline))
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To: Fishtalk
"If the House isn’t going to stand on the principle of what it passed, then they have to bring up something else."
And this here statement is the ROOT of the problem with republicans...If the house passes something, then they need to stand firm, and go home. They did their job, now it is up to the communists to show their hand to the american people ( alot of democrats I know do not even realize their party is owned by communists.) force them to reveal their hands, and they will lose base support.
66 posted on 07/29/2011 10:04:09 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: Jim Noble
Here's what Rich Lowry over at NRO thinks will happen. Sigh.

I more or less agree with Kathryn about what will happen next. Boehner passes; the requirements for the second tranche are weakened and/or wiped out in the Senate; the final deal passes in the House with help from Democrats. We get some cuts and a commission and what is, essentially, a debt increase past the election

67 posted on 07/29/2011 10:04:36 AM PDT by ejdrapes (Can we keep our attacks focused on the real enemy: Obama)
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To: BlatherNaut

Lookit, balanced budgets aren’t perfect. You can mock and poke fun at those who believe you got to start somewhere.

Most of us have worked with budgets before, often on the job, departmental budgets and such, for sure in our own households.

First, you gotta start somewhere. It does not help to shake in horror at the work that might involved, to ponder the pitfalls, to consider it an effort of too much time. You gotta start somewhere and by me, you got 67% of the population in favor of a balanced budget, seems as good a time as any to start.

I realize that you consider so many of us too stupid to understand the nuance of the horror of balancing a federal budget so I’ll allow that we’re all dummies.

The benefits of a required, even if the thing NEVER works out as predicted, even if the politicos lie about projected revenue (or less likely, are legitimately mistaken), it FORCES the funds allocated to be PART OF THE PUBLIC DEBATE.

It takes the spending of our money from out of the congressional cloak rooms and puts in front of our eyeballs.

Much like, I whisper softly, this debt ceiling raise has finally made the American public aware at just how badly congress has handled our money.

But silly me, I’m just a simple soul thinking that those charged with taking the monies of others should have to account for it, to allow input BEFORE it’s spent.


68 posted on 07/29/2011 10:05:26 AM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/201102/freerepublic-ping-list-compilation.html-Freep Ping Blog post)
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To: OB1kNOb

If they “consider” this bill and bring it to the floor for amendments, the Republicans can also offer amendments, and that could take almost forever. THEN it goes back to the House for reconciliation and degutting, which could take almost forever........
And the world is watching.


69 posted on 07/29/2011 10:06:04 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: Jim Noble
Here's what Rich Lowry over at NRO thinks will happen. Sigh.

I more or less agree with Kathryn about what will happen next. Boehner passes; the requirements for the second tranche are weakened and/or wiped out in the Senate; the final deal passes in the House with help from Democrats. We get some cuts and a commission and what is, essentially, a debt increase past the election

70 posted on 07/29/2011 10:06:20 AM PDT by ejdrapes (Can we keep our attacks focused on the real enemy: Obama)
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To: Jim Noble
Here's what Rich Lowry over at NRO thinks will happen. Sigh.

I more or less agree with Kathryn about what will happen next. Boehner passes; the requirements for the second tranche are weakened and/or wiped out in the Senate; the final deal passes in the House with help from Democrats. We get some cuts and a commission and what is, essentially, a debt increase past the election

71 posted on 07/29/2011 10:06:25 AM PDT by ejdrapes (Can we keep our attacks focused on the real enemy: Obama)
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To: KarlInOhio

>>To carry your analogy further, what happens if you hit it right in the center of your opponent’s service court and your opponent and the official both yell “OUT” without even trying to return it?<<

And that is why I don’t take this game seriously. It sorta reminds me of the movie “Stick it”.

And did I mention I am driving from Seattle (my home since 1966) to my new home in rural Kentucky farmland next Monday. I’m sure it is only coincidental that we are leaving one day before Debt Ceiling day. ;-)

As I watch the impotent congress and Urkel attempt to solve a problem that is 10 levels above their pay grade, I realize just how hopeless it is that this thing will end anything CLOSE to “well”. I see it as clearly as I see the thunder clouds coming with the prevailing winds towards my plateau in Kentucky. I realized this week that any and all doubt has been removed from my mind regarding the catastrophe that is looming LITERALLY just around the corner.

Even if we dodge the bullet this year, there is no way next year’s election cycle will not be the actual catalyst if it continues to only fester until then.

The title of my “goodbye” email to my work mates at my company is “So Long, and Thanks For The Fish”.

Where I am going does not guarantee survival or comfort, but it certainly reduces risk.


72 posted on 07/29/2011 10:07:06 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Boehner has spent an immense amount of time, energy and political capital to present a bill which is generally hated on the right and completely hated on the left. As soon as it was announced, Reid, Schumer and Durbin took to the airwaves to denounce it, blasting Boeher whenever the opportunity presented itself.

My question is: If he knows it’s DOA in the Senate, why not pass a great bill that would fire up the base?

The end result would still be the same - DOA in the Senate with Reid, Durbin and Schumer on TV bashing it - but Boehner would look like a hero instead of being a mealy mouthed sellout.


73 posted on 07/29/2011 10:07:59 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (if there were a little more of me around we'd all be better off.)
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To: fluffdaddy

Some things never change. How depressing.


74 posted on 07/29/2011 10:08:57 AM PDT by SMARTY (A claim for equality of material position can be met only by a government with totalitarian powers.)
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To: ejdrapes

I’ve been saying the same thing.

The elites sworn in the freshman class while holding their noses. They hate them and everyone who voted for them.


75 posted on 07/29/2011 10:10:20 AM PDT by Terry Mross (I will only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: ml/nj

imam obama has nothing to do with the BBA. He can’t propose anything with regard to it. It goes to the states for ratification...and that could take years.


76 posted on 07/29/2011 10:10:38 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: ejdrapes
And us EEEEEEEvil Tea pary members are villified for opposing this?

Welcome to Bizarrow World

77 posted on 07/29/2011 10:11:10 AM PDT by John 3_19-21
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Limbaugh explained it yesterday on his program. To make a long story short, the Democrats set a trap for the Republicans and the Republicans walked into it. In addition, the bill does not do what it claims it will: To wit: cut spending. It may cut the ratre of increase [growth].

But, what the hell, let them go ahead nd pass the damn thing. The sooner we go broke, the sooner the Americans among us can begin rebuilding. The others, the buzzards will eat them, because they lack the will and ability to survive without the governent wiping their butts. It is going to be tough on the Americans, but, in the end they will figure a way to survive.

78 posted on 07/29/2011 10:11:54 AM PDT by sport
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To: Terry Mross

The House Rules Committee is now meeting to amend the bill.

Not sure what time today this means it will be voted by the full House.


79 posted on 07/29/2011 10:12:00 AM PDT by Dave346
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To: John 3_19-21

I say shame on National Review, Townhall, Weekly Standard, Laura Ingraham, Hugh Hewitt, etc. for supporting this garbage. I thought NR at least was better than this.


80 posted on 07/29/2011 10:16:42 AM PDT by ejdrapes (Can we keep our attacks focused on the real enemy: Obama)
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To: Dave346

I’ve heard 5pm or so.


81 posted on 07/29/2011 10:17:51 AM PDT by ejdrapes (Can we keep our attacks focused on the real enemy: Obama)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“and the Kenyan said he’d veto it”

The president has no authority to veto a constitutional amendment ratified by the states. He has no say in the matter.


82 posted on 07/29/2011 10:19:48 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE (When the Gov’t controls everything, everything becomes political.)
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To: All

BTW, the rules committee debate is on CSPAN right now. I just turned it on to hear David Drier say his goal is just to get something passed out of the house so people will get their social security checks on Tuesday. We’re DOOMED.


83 posted on 07/29/2011 10:20:09 AM PDT by ejdrapes (Can we keep our attacks focused on the real enemy: Obama)
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To: Diogenesis

BTTT!


84 posted on 07/29/2011 10:20:37 AM PDT by glock rocks (Wait, what ?)
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To: RobRoy

Good move. I think I remember you mentioning buying that place on a thread some time ago.

“So Long, and Thanks For The Fish” :)


85 posted on 07/29/2011 10:21:02 AM PDT by listenhillary (2007 deficit 160 Billion, 2008 - 458 billion, 2009 -1.4 Trillion, 2010 - 1.6 Trillion)
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To: rokkitapps
am I the only one that thinks a balanced budget amendment would be used as an excuse to raise taxes at some point?

No, this point is being raised, and should be raised with those who will vote, later today.

86 posted on 07/29/2011 10:21:08 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Woo Hoo!


87 posted on 07/29/2011 10:21:23 AM PDT by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military Men And Women)
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To: MestaMachine

Ace up our sleeve? What ‘ace’? I’m not seeing it here.


88 posted on 07/29/2011 10:23:33 AM PDT by hoagy62 (Help stamp out crack-pull up your pants.)
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A question of: What is the language which eliminates tax increases as the method to balance the budget? Hearing no language exists for the proposed amendment.
89 posted on 07/29/2011 10:24:48 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Fishtalk

“In the abstract at least, the idea of a Balanced Budget Amendment is appealing. Most of us are already familiar with them anyway since all fifty states are required to balance their budgets every year, or two years depending on what kind of budget cycle they operate under. Only spending what you take in also makes sense on a personal level, because that’s how all of us operate, or at least how we’re supposed to operate if we don’t want to end up in Bankruptcy Court some day. Before we go all-in on this idea, it makes sense to stop and look at what’s actually being proposed and ask ourselves if it would even work, and if we would want to have a government that operates under its provisions.”

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/the-balanced-budget-amendment-is-a-bad-idea/


90 posted on 07/29/2011 10:25:18 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Boehner can’t be too happy about the price of moving that bill. He probably won’t be speaker after 2012.


91 posted on 07/29/2011 10:25:57 AM PDT by Tallguy (You can safely ignore anything that precedes the word "But"...)
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To: hoagy62

One that even the lamestream will not be able to overcome. Watch.


92 posted on 07/29/2011 10:27:59 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

@shearm

Michael D. Shear

Cloture vote in Senate planned for midnight! Then could be an all-nighter as Dems make GOP sens keep objecting thru the night. #sleepingbags

2 minutes ago via Twitterrific for Mac


93 posted on 07/29/2011 10:29:03 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: ejdrapes
All of the various BBAs have the same critical flaw: They rely on some body of the government, or group of officials, to calculate an imaginary number (most commonly "GDP")and then to apply that number to what Congress calls a "budget", which is actually a guess about future events, and then to certify that the guess about future events meets the requirements of the BBA.

The real Constitution takes cognizance of human nature. A BBA pretends that there is no such thing as human nature, and gives enormous power to rulekeepers who have every incentive to cheat and no incentive to deal honestly.

All of the fiscal, budgetary problems result from a lack of real, constitutional money. Fiscal policy, and finance more broadly, is a tool to manage money, just like a hammer is a tool to drive nails.

If you supply rubber nails, the debates about the size, weight, shaft length, and qualifications to swing the hammer are meaningless.

The States need to amend the Constitution to restore real money. If Congress had to come and take the gold and silver from your hands to give away, the budget would balance (or they would hang) in short order.

The problem is not the budget, after all.

It's the money.

94 posted on 07/29/2011 10:30:03 AM PDT by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: Tallguy

David Dreier is trying to move the hearing as quickly as possible so they can get the bill to the House floor.


95 posted on 07/29/2011 10:31:21 AM PDT by Dave346
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To: combat_boots

David Drier just said it’s in the interest of every member of the rules committee to ensure the debt ceiling is increased. We’ve lost.


96 posted on 07/29/2011 10:31:58 AM PDT by ejdrapes (Can we keep our attacks focused on the real enemy: Obama)
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To: Personal Responsibility

My sentiments exactly.....why is he even bothering with this watered-down POS? All he’s done is irritate Tea partiers. He should have passed various versions of CC&B a million times and punted that instead of creating this garbage that will be rejected anyways.


97 posted on 07/29/2011 10:32:36 AM PDT by Turtlepower
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To: ejdrapes

@lbstewartLogan Stewart

(abc order) RT @DCnewskat: @BarackObama is tweeting names of GOP House members, asking users to contact them re: #debtceiling

29 seconds ago via TweetDeck


98 posted on 07/29/2011 10:32:48 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Dave346

David Drier just said it’s in the interest of every member of the rules committee to ensure the debt ceiling is increased. We’ve lost


99 posted on 07/29/2011 10:32:56 AM PDT by ejdrapes (Can we keep our attacks focused on the real enemy: Obama)
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To: DannyTN
There are ways to draft a BBA that prevent a government from systematically gaming it. That's why it has teeth in a lot of states.

Personally, I'd prefer a constitutional limit on the debt ceiling, with no loopholes, with that limit increasing no more than 1%/year.

100 posted on 07/29/2011 10:34:41 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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