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GOP to Cut Pell Grants to Pass Debt Deal
cafesentido.com ^ | 7/29/2011

Posted on 07/29/2011 11:24:47 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender

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I don't mind being called a radical - but I would prefer to be known as a member of the Samson wing of the Republican Party.
1 posted on 07/29/2011 11:24:48 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: vbmoneyspender

I heard speculation that they were going to cut spending for the men’s room upgrade at exit 54 on the Jersey Turnpike.


2 posted on 07/29/2011 11:26:55 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici ("Si, se gimme!")
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To: vbmoneyspender
Radical = Testosterone, cajones and titanium spines.
3 posted on 07/29/2011 11:27:02 AM PDT by JPG (Yes she can!)
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To: vbmoneyspender
GOP to Cut Pell Grants to Pass Debt Deal

Okay.

4 posted on 07/29/2011 11:27:08 AM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: vbmoneyspender
in order to win the support of Tea Party radicals.

Author is one meme behind.

Today's Talking Point is that they are Tea Party terrorists..... that's Tea Party terrorists.....

Please read your fax before writing the blog, whoever the author is.....

5 posted on 07/29/2011 11:28:13 AM PDT by Lazamataz (If you pet a tiny goose, you will feel a little down.)
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To: WayneS

Okay - good start.


6 posted on 07/29/2011 11:28:36 AM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: vbmoneyspender

That would help drive down the cost of college somewhat. If they stop handing out free money to non-qualified students, colleges would have to compete more for qualified students.


7 posted on 07/29/2011 11:30:54 AM PDT by Razzz42
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To: vbmoneyspender

What a pathetic bill. Is this the best Washington can do?


8 posted on 07/29/2011 11:31:07 AM PDT by browniexyz
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To: VeniVidiVici
;-)
9 posted on 07/29/2011 11:31:48 AM PDT by Spunky (“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abh)
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To: VeniVidiVici
;-)
10 posted on 07/29/2011 11:31:59 AM PDT by Spunky (“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abh)
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To: grobdriver
Okay - good start

Okay - good start=WHO CARES. Everyone here knows good and well that this means nothing...that the deal McConnel and Reid are working on...that the house WILL approve...will have Pell Grants.

They could pass a bill outlawing Obama...Passing a balanced Budget...demanding the release of the Birth Certificate...demanding nukes to be sold to Israel...

And we ALL know it would amount to NOTHING. This is all theater. And very BAD theater at that. We all know the end game here. We've KNOWN the end game here since Boehner signled a willingness to do anything behong CC&B. He blinked...and everyone knew it. He should have walked away...unplugged the phone and said...knock on my door when you've passed your own bill.

11 posted on 07/29/2011 11:34:13 AM PDT by NELSON111
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The Obots already cut Pell Grants to beef up ObamaKKKare.

Nobody cares about starving students apparently.

12 posted on 07/29/2011 11:34:54 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: vbmoneyspender
Speaker Boehner has yet to offer a plan that meets the requirements of the Gang of Six or the bipartisan deficit commission

This is the debt deal which was specifically meant only to deal with the debt hike.

And, in addition, more budget deals would be coming, including the real budget for '12 and debate on the Ryan plan.

BTW...did Obama or Reid put for a plan that meets the requirements above? No? So why not mention that?

13 posted on 07/29/2011 11:36:31 AM PDT by Justice
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To: vbmoneyspender

Is it a real cut or a loesser increase?

We’ll never know from reading the MSM


14 posted on 07/29/2011 11:37:12 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: vbmoneyspender

Radicals? I thought we was Hobbits!


15 posted on 07/29/2011 11:37:53 AM PDT by REDWOOD99 ("Earth first! We can log the other planets later")
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To: GeronL

This isn’t really a cut. It just removes $17 billion that Boehner had added into the bill. The Tea Party freshman demanded it be removed.


16 posted on 07/29/2011 11:38:42 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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Rush is RIGHT. Boehner should be WALKING AWAY. Not making stupid little deals that will mean NOTHING in the end.

ALL this will do is give the Dems MORE ammo to use during an election.

In a deep solomn voice: "Congressman DIP STICK voted to CUT Pell Grants. Money to help poot students get a much neede education.: blah blah blah."

Yep...all this will do is give opponents AMMO against our members...for a bill that is destined to FAIL. STUPID!

17 posted on 07/29/2011 11:38:57 AM PDT by NELSON111
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poot=poor. GOD I’m ticked off at the stupidity.


18 posted on 07/29/2011 11:40:22 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: vbmoneyspender
This is all absurd. So they cut Pell grants as opposed to other things that need cutting.
I think we all need to face the fact the end game is nigh.
All of this is a game that refuses to face reality.
The Credit Downgrade is weeks or at best a few months away.
Once that happens the movement of interest rates starts on federal debt.
All of a sudden paying interest on the debt will start eating up all revenues going to the government. The laws of compound interest will win out in the end.
A default will come, it's now only a matter of time and the time will be short.
19 posted on 07/29/2011 11:40:30 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: GeronL
Conservatives angry over Pell Grant funding in Boehner debt bill
20 posted on 07/29/2011 11:40:32 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: muawiyah
Nobody cares about starving students apparently.

Let them eat tree bark if they're too lazy to work their way through school.

21 posted on 07/29/2011 11:41:59 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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It’s not really a cut. Its money that Boehner had added in that he is now being forced to remove. But it’s going to get called a cut anyway and he is going to get blamed for ‘cutting’ it.


22 posted on 07/29/2011 11:42:22 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: Razzz42

Dream on, right now Sallie Mae is the only sector growing in non-revolving credit. It is now over $1 Trillion and all controlled by the government.


23 posted on 07/29/2011 11:42:31 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: vbmoneyspender
They need to define the word cut because....

Baseline Budgeting Makes Real Cuts Impossible in Washington

24 posted on 07/29/2011 11:42:53 AM PDT by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: vbmoneyspender

My kids both get Pell grants. Oh well...just have to work a little harder next year.


25 posted on 07/29/2011 11:43:19 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I can't think of anything clever, so I'll just say, "Obama sucks.")
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I think this was releasaed as an attempt to scare college kids a month before college tutition is due. Media is trying to demonize the Tea Party and gin up the college vote.

When I heard today that EPA is funding MURALS in tunnels in Chicago with grants, I thot about the 125% EPA budget increase. Why not cut that?!?!?!

Boehner is not a good negotiator. He was an idiot to go after Pell grants in August and they will be put back in in the compromise bill—just more bad will for Tea Party and the Republicans—no idea how much Pell grants impact the government budget.

Instead of eliminating one program or another, for starters, I say 10+ PERCENT ACTUAL REDUCTIONS ACROSS THE BOARD—EVERY DEPARTMENT BUDGET TODAY!


26 posted on 07/29/2011 11:43:55 AM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: vbmoneyspender

I’ve talked to a man at the gym on and off for several years. He was a union member and worked as a school counselor in his 20’s. He’s 42 now and hasn’t worked in about 15 years. He has raised two children in student housing at FSU while his wife “works on her doctorate.” Apparently, they’ve gamed the system for grants, housing, sustenance and everything they need. He was telling me about his high-end home theater and audio system. His wife will never graduate. “It’s the life,” he says.


27 posted on 07/29/2011 11:44:11 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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Pell Grants are largely responsible for the increase in tuitions.


28 posted on 07/29/2011 11:44:42 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Vermont Lt

There are always those Government Student Loans that they can carry for life or until the government defaults.


29 posted on 07/29/2011 11:44:50 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: VeniVidiVici
I heard speculation that they were going to cut spending for the men’s room upgrade at exit 54 on the Jersey Turnpike.

Actually - we don't have an exit 54 on our Turnpike but the point is a good one....... ;^)

30 posted on 07/29/2011 11:45:07 AM PDT by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: bushwon

Oh, NO BASELINE BUDGETING!!!!


31 posted on 07/29/2011 11:45:53 AM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: vbmoneyspender

That is what I thought. Always amazed at how far the MSM is willing to go to lie.


32 posted on 07/29/2011 11:47:14 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: vbmoneyspender

Why not show some real cojones and call for the abolition of the Department of Education and send the funding back to the States.


33 posted on 07/29/2011 11:51:14 AM PDT by Inwoodian
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To: Razzz42

So only non-qualified students receive Pell grants?


34 posted on 07/29/2011 11:52:31 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: smoothsailing

My daughter worked part-time in college at the college and made minimum wage, hardly enough to have gas money. She had several scholarships and student loans. She also worked as a waitress for a while. She just completed her MBA and is happy to have a job making $30K. She will need to make a lot more than that to pay back her loans. All you holier-than-thou know-it-alls give conservatives a bad name.


35 posted on 07/29/2011 11:57:54 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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Taxpayers shouldn’t be financing anybody’s college education unless it leads to a job. No more Ethnic/Gender/Basketweaving majors. You can do that on your own dime.


36 posted on 07/29/2011 11:58:24 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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Boehner stinks. I hope that what comes from this is he loses his speakership. But he won't. This isn't how it works. If SanFranNan stayed in power after suffering humiliating defeat...then I expect John to be there. There needs to be a mutiny.

I am so disgusted with "my people." The lady that just called in on rush brought a tear to my eye...Donna...and I think choked Rush up. Her husband is on disability and she said "I want to go up to the president and look him in the eye and say 'if you don't want to send out a check...then don't. This fight is worth it.'"

Wow.

We must get a majority of Americans to understand that both parties no longer represent us. Rush is getting it. Thank God he is no longer a GOP shill. YOu better be a right wing conservative of he will cut your balls off...

37 posted on 07/29/2011 11:59:52 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: bushwon
Boehner stinks. I hope that what comes from this is he loses his speakership. But he won't. This isn't how it works. If SanFranNan stayed in power after suffering humiliating defeat...then I expect John to be there. There needs to be a mutiny.

I am so disgusted with "my people." The lady that just called in on rush brought a tear to my eye...Donna...and I think choked Rush up. Her husband is on disability and she said "I want to go up to the president and look him in the eye and say 'if you don't want to send out a check...then don't. This fight is worth it.'"

Wow.

We must get a majority of Americans to understand that both parties no longer represent us. Rush is getting it. Thank God he is no longer a GOP shill. YOu better be a right wing conservative of he will cut your balls off...

38 posted on 07/29/2011 11:59:55 AM PDT by NELSON111
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The siphoning of administrative costs runs across all local, state and national lines. Example: big university research grants immediately takes 20% for admin costs.

At least 80% of local school district costs goes to personnel. Admin salaries are at least twice a new teacher’s salary.

A new prof could earn $36-39 K/9 months. A Dean could earn over $200K. This is at small/med schools, too.

AA/diversity candidates probably pull in extra dollars, too.


39 posted on 07/29/2011 12:02:12 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

I listened to a 3rd year veterinary school student talking to a receptionist last year. She was looking to borrow against a future paycheck of some kind. This was AT THE SCHOOL. She specifically said, “Who cares. With all these loans.......” She was really down in the mouth and looked lost.


40 posted on 07/29/2011 12:07:13 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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Gee, the Department of Education only costs us $20 billion per MONTH ($240B per year BEFORE any baseline budgeting additions and multipliers). Do you really think we would want to cut any funding for Pell Grants and other education expenditures? They’ve used their money so wisely since the Department of Ed came into existence (what) 40-50 years ago. Surely, this is a Department that should be spared any draconian cuts, right? /sarc


41 posted on 07/29/2011 12:08:50 PM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds ("The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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Student loans have to be one of the biggest scams in American history.


42 posted on 07/29/2011 12:11:17 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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Go ahead and cut the Pell Grants; it’s a start.


43 posted on 07/29/2011 12:12:56 PM PDT by American Quilter (aka American Hobbit)
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Dream on, right now Sallie Mae is the only sector growing in non-revolving credit. It is now over $1 Trillion and all controlled by the government. 23 posted on Friday, July 29, 2011 11:42:31 AM by Captain Peter Blood and from ilovesarah2012: So only non-qualified students receive Pell grants? ------- You see what happens when cuts begin? Everyone starts sounding and acting like Democrats in the Senate. Cuts are going to hurt and deep cuts are going to hurt badly. The cut talked about so far are just superficial but it's a start, not something I heard 30 days ago. The GSEs bought all the bad paper from the banks and now the taxpayers are stuck with it. The paper collateral Sallie and Freddie is holding is worthless. Government subsidies out of your life seems scary but more than worth the price of freedom. Try this until you begin to understand.
44 posted on 07/29/2011 12:20:25 PM PDT by Razzz42
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To: ilovesarah2012

Nonsense. After active duty, I went to college on the GI Bill in the late ‘60s and early 70’s while serving in the reserves. It covered tuition at a small state college and that was about it. I worked as a waiter, construction, life guard, and sold shoes. It took me 6 years of half fulltime and half part time attendance to earn my BS/BA degree . I didn’t take out loans, I didn’t borrow a dime from anyone. I’m thankful Uncle Sam cared enough about veterans to give us a hand, but really, sister, I don’t need a lecture on the challenges involved in pursuing an education.


45 posted on 07/29/2011 12:24:47 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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Tuition: In 1988, the average tuition and fees for a four-year public university rang in at about $2,800, adjusted for inflation. By 2008, that number had climbed about 130% to roughly $6,500 a year — and that doesn’t include books or room and board.

Income: If incomes had kept up with surging college costs, the typical American would be earning $77,000 a year. But in reality, it’s nowhere near that.

In 2008 — the latest data available — the median income was $33,000. That means if you adjust for inflation, Americans in the middle actually earned $400 less than they did in 1988. (Read: How the middle class became the underclass).

Financial aid: Meanwhile, the amount of federal aid available to individual students has also failed to keep up. Since 1992, the maximum available through government-subsidized student loans has remained at $23,000 for a four-year degree.

“There does seem to be this growing disparity between income and the cost of higher education,” said Justin Draeger, president of the National Association of Student Financial Aid Administrators. “At the same time, there’s been a fundamental shift, moving away from public subsidization, to individuals bearing more of the cost of higher education.”

Facing that disparity, it’s no wonder then that two other trends have emerged: Families are taking on unprecedented levels of debt or downgrading their child’s education from a four-year, to a two-year, degree to cut costs.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/06/13/news/economy/college_tuition_middle_class/index.htm

Things are different today.


46 posted on 07/29/2011 12:40:27 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Razzz42
That would help drive down the cost of college somewhat. If they stop handing out free money to non-qualified students, colleges would have to compete more for qualified students.

Eliminate the provision that prevents student loan debt from being cancelled in bankruptcy, and make colleges finance a percentage of the student loan amounts, and you will see colleges and lenders stop giving student loans to people who will never economically benefit from a college degree (at least one in their declared major).

47 posted on 07/29/2011 12:52:54 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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Things are different today.

Only to the extent that people expect their goals to be met before they have the ability to pay for them. Whatever happened to pay as you go? Once upon a time, that was a traditional value.

48 posted on 07/29/2011 12:59:22 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: ilovesarah2012

You would be amazed at how many fines at the courts are being paid by the tuition money from the government when it is received. I then wonder if the individuals enter school.


49 posted on 07/29/2011 1:03:38 PM PDT by healy61
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To: PapaBear3625

I agree.

Community college is still relatively inexpensive with pick and choose courses.


50 posted on 07/29/2011 1:09:14 PM PDT by Razzz42
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