Posted on 07/30/2011 8:21:33 PM PDT by Beaten Valve
ABC News has learned that Republicans and the White House have struck a tenative deal to raise the debt ceiling before the Aug. 2 deadline.
It's not done yet, but here is the framework of the tentative deal they have worked out, according to a source familiar with the negotiations:
(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.abcnews.com ...
That doesn't make any sense. Try to focus.
Almost the entire Republican and Democrat parties in the Congress, in fulfillment of what has been the agenda of the leaders of both parties all along, are fixing to borrow and spend another $2.8 TRILLION dollars. Money that this generation cannot possibly repay. They are stripping our posterity of their God-given, unalienable right to government by consent.
And you're focused on the next election? What difference does the next election make when both parties being offered have the exact same agenda to enslave you and your grandchildren?
What good are "Tea Party Congressmen" who vote to borrow and spend trillions more dollars?
I’ll change my tagline if you’ll promise to disappear. Or you could just scroll past my posts. But that would require someone with just a little bit of will power. And that’s not you, is it?
See my new tagline
Well in that case, 'Yay, GOP!" The country is still screwed, but hey, at least the Pubbies won one.
I wasn't a big fan of the CCB bill. That said, it was kinda my compromise position in that it cut $6 trillion of the $9 trillion ten year outlays. Capped spending as a percentage of GDP and promised a BBA. Figured it was a good start.
The numbers being thrown around now are just illusions and passage gives the impression that the problem is "fixed" when in reality it is just pushed back for a year and a half while adding another $2.5 trillion to the mess. Pure politics on both sides and THAT just makes me sick.
Right. As I said all along. Nothing but political posturing for the next election. Worthless and meaningless.
So, politically, do you think a vote for a meaningless doomed fake balanced budget amendment is really going to help politicians who just voted to borrow and spend trillions more?
What percentage of real regular folks who consider themselves part of the Tea Party in any way supported any raise in the debt ceiling?
‘And you’re focused on the next election?’
In this country power is decided by elections. Perhaps you prefer assassinations or violent revolution? Since you are the chairman of a national political party which has never elected a member to public office it is not surprising that you are so dismissive of the peaceful transfer of power.
Roger that!
Well said.
I go to the bank and ask for them to loan me some money, because I am spending $10,000 per year more than I bring in. They say: "Are you kidding me, we'll never get paid back. You are in a permanent state of deficit spending."
So, I cut a deal with them. I tell them if they lend me two years worth of deficit spending ($20,000), I promise them that I will reduce my ten year projected deficit by the same $20,000. In other words, lend me $20,000 today, and I promise to only run up $80,000 more debt over the next ten years.
Our national media needs to be shot for not explaining the idiocy of this debate. Our politians, if they pass this, should also be eliminated.
Don't like me calling you out on your incessant negativity and demoralizing posts, eh? I'll bet you'd like for me to just disappear, but you're out of luck, pal. I'm not going anywhere, and if you keep up the doom and gloom on every thread you post to, I'm going to make a bigger noise about it.
Or you could just scroll past my posts.
I did that, Terry. Dozens upon dozens of times, until I just couldn't read another one without objecting. You hit my last nerve, friend.
I, and most Freepers, are in this for blood. We want to get our country back on track, and we know we've got the fight of our lives ahead of us to get there. Incessant, demoralizing posts such as yours do nothing to harden the resolve of the troops. They do just the opposite. Which is precisely what the enemy wants.
Now do you understand my objection?
The BBA may go down in flames, but everyone will know who voted for and against.
When the only candidates being offered are either outright liberals or fake conservatives the outcome is already decided. Liberals win, either with the mask on, or the mask off. Pick your poison.
“If Congress does not approve those cuts by late December, automatic across-the-board cuts go into effect, including cuts to Defense and Medicare.”
A lot will have to be explained/clarified. Who decides what the “automatic across-the-board cuts” will be? I think we all know that, ultimately, there really will have to be cuts in all areas to get back on the right track. And, as Allen West introduced in a bill that passed unanimously, there is a lot of waste to pursue in the DOD. (Medicare/Medicaid waste, fraud and abuse also make up many billions of $). But if cuts would be truly across the board, then that should mean throughout government.
Most critical is just who’ll make those decisions (the fatal flaw of McConnell’s plan was that it gave BHO blanket power to decide where to make cuts) - AND who will comprise the Committee.
I’d love to see a stipulation that only those who are up for re-election could serve on it. That’d guarantee some safeguards right there!
They ARE sneaking in the possibility of tax increases. If he House Pubs don’t kill this provision, it will come back to haunt them.
Amen to both comments. In lots of ways I'm madder than last week. Didn't think that was possible. . What a mess. . November 6, 2012 can't come soon enough.
Well, actually we have. But I don't expect you to know anything about that.
The assassinations thing I'll just chuckle at, because it's such a silly straw man.
Maybe it won't pass the first time or the second but we need to have the conversation out there. We can make it an issue in 2012 we can make the RATs wear it.
While we are at it we can do a cap bill too and that doesn't need a 2/3 majority. Just doing CCB in stages.
I’m just watching these threads fascinated by how many GOP hacks have come out of the woodwork on FR tonight trying to put perfume on this stinking pile of manure. Many of them screen names I’ve never ever seen posting here before.
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