Skip to comments.Retired Military Translator's Home Reportedly Raided in DEA Mix-Up
Posted on 07/31/2011 10:58:06 PM PDT by Psalm_2
"As soon as I opened the door, somebody grabbed me and took me outside and put me on the grass," Tossa said. "The first thing I thought was they were terrorists who want to kill me because I served in Iraq."
The DEA agents were executing a search warrant.
I kept asking, whats going on? he said. And they held my neck to the ground so I cant talk.
According to the report, the DEA was executing a search warrant for Tossas landlords son, who apparently uses Tossas one-story houses address for mailing.
Before they raid any house, they should have more information, Tossa said. Not rumors.
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How do these guys get search warrants? Though I hate the idea that taxpayers should pay for police mistakes, I do think that unless they get sued, they will continue.
...and the so-called "war on drugs" gives them every opportunity.
Pre-signed blank warrants?
I’ve always believed that a warrant is required to clearly state, Who, Why, and Where, and What, also to clearly articulate a REASONABLE suspicion.
Too many reports nowadays clearly fail any reasonable standard for issuing the warrant.
If they really are bad guys, do a little more investigating, maybe arrest them away from home, or are the “Dynamic Entries” just too much fun to miss out on?
Something must have gotten lost in translation;)
I was at work at the time. They were just getting ready to use a battering ram on our front door when my wife was able to hobble down to it. Her leg was in a cast at the time. They held her at gun point while they ran all around the house with their assault rifles out in full swat gear and made a mess. My wife was very worried they were going to shoot our wiener dogs.
I have never understood how they got a search warrant on such skimpy and faulty information. We didn't get any kind of apology.
Sorry this happened to you, Mr. Tossa.
You put yourself on the line for our freedom, only to be pissed on by low-life drug warriors.
Problem 1: He Lives in Detroit
Problem 2: He opened the door
any bounty hunter or auto repossessor worth their salt would say the same. yet here a gov.t agency apparently fails at skip tracing. this is very poor investigative work. are they doing this out of imcompetency or to condition the citizenry ?
seems to me its both, & it is rotting our trust in the feds & local leo's.
read another story recently where the FBI made a similar mistake which induced a young child into fearing leo's.
Hey, at least the dog survived. Apparently they were up on their target practice.
Barney Fife could do better pre-op intel than that. Heck! Floyd the barber could do better than that.
Did a little bounty hunting. We’d call the place and ask them if the perp was there. They’d ask “why” and we’d tell them we had a ups package to delivery.
“Yeah, I’m here. What’s in the package?”
“We’re not allow to open the packages. We need an address where we can deliver it and a time you’ll be there to sign.”
“Heck far, I’m home right now.”
“I’ll be right there”. Then we’d go over and arrest the guy.
Another good ruse is tell the neighbors the guy is wanted for second degree murder. They’ll all give up a murderer. Hell, they thought he was just selling dope. He WAS just selling dope.
But feds have to go IN guns blazin’. We hardly ever went in with a gun loaded. When your mark hears the rack of that shotgun he’ll know the wrath of the Lord is near and he will surrender. Of course we knew he wasn’t armed or our guns would be loaded.
I didn’t do this line of work much. I felt like it could get addictive.
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Something could be spelled out better here. If police traced back to a return address put on a piece of mail by the person they intended to find, what tells them the person isn’t holed up there with the tenant? Unless due diligence, of course, finds multiple pointers to the person at some different address, and I would fault police for not exercising that kind of due diligence if such records were within the detectives’ scope. It’s for a reason they’re called detectives. They’re supposed to detect things, not go wild.
What bugs me about these stories is that the guys doing this are supposedly also USA citizens. For the life of me with WWII infantry service(to young and late for battle) I have to wonder where/when does this lopsided aggression get started. Have we as a Nation lost human concept that as individuals we should do unto others as we would have them do unto us or the similar admonition of let your conscience be your guide.
What bugs me about these stories is that the guys doing this are supposedly also USA citizens. I have to wonder where/when does this lopsided aggression get started. Have we as a Nation lost human concept that as individuals we should do unto others as we would have them do unto us or the similar admonition of let your conscience be your guide.
No dogs were shot so I’m OK with this. Just one of life’s little speed bumps...the price we pay to live in a drug free society
“Condition the citizenry”. Except only we’re a “population” not citizens anymore. Citizens have rights and are to be treated with respect.
It is a natural tendency of bureaucrats to move towards tyranny, and that is a separate issue from any vehicle they may use along the way.
The abuses are just as grievous within game warden laws, and those preceded the drug war by generations.
Embracing a drug culture would not in any way slow abusive government down, they would just throw more troops into military raids on Amish milkmen.
Such a watering of the tree of liberty is a most unfortunate unintended consequence of the militarization of police.
The transition from a job whose purpose is to take life to a job whose purpose is to protect life must be very difficult, even though similar tactics and weapons are used.
So, they don't bother and go by nothing more than their own scribbled notes taken from interviews with druggies.
Presumably the requirement keeps them honest and avoids privacy violations.
So, they do without the warrant and use the address from some other source.
It's stupid of course, but there are still people alive who were involved in a Mail Cover operation for Richard Nixon who can tell you that in the long run even that warrant doesn't protect you from the druggies, Commies and assorted POS in the news media who protect them.
The Leftwingtards have been 100% responsible for every bad raid in modern American history.
Between raids gone bad for whatever reason (the citizenry sees SWAT and the investigating officer as one entity), enforcement of traffic laws for revenue instead of safety, and a far-too-common “you are just a civilian peon” attitude from many cops, and you have a strong erosion of the public’s confidence in LEOs as a group.
I do appreciate your sticking with it here, and your comments such as those in #9. Most conservatives really don’t hate cops, and don’t want to dislike the institution. That said, my attitudes have changed greatly on this in the last decade or so, and I’m far from the only one like this. The fact that this is occurring should lead to some serious soul searching in the profession. It is something LEOs very much need to address from the inside.
The only thing I can say is, that most of the blame for that should be placed on the States Attorney and the investigative officer(s).
So basically you are saying the entry team can successfully plead the Nuremberg Defense and be absolved of any responsibility, no matter what level of violence and death results of their efforts.
Since it appears that this "blunt" object has zero responsibility or common sense, it follows that even a "warrant" scratched out on the back of a McDonald's receipt would also be considered a valid order to smash down a fellow American's property and put their lives in immediate jeopardy.
Your comments are absolutely no different from excusing some drug cartel enforcers from butchering a family because they did it on orders from on high.
Just like private businesses, this will not stop until they’re held accountable both civilly and criminally. SWAT teams are needed and the training is warranted and required. However, their overuse is absolutely ridiculous and as is the case in Arizona and the Pima County SO, people will die for no reason. There are much better and more efficient ways for police to operate, the last of which should be a military style entry into someones home. Especially the wrong one.
Swat teams are not needed, and never have been.
The situations for which this is appropriate (strictly a subgroup of armed hostage situations where the perp is known to be highly skilled or paramilitarily armed) are rare enough that the use of national guard MPs obtained by going through the state governor provides an adequate force. That used to be what was done.
It is not done this way now simply because state governors are directly accountable to.the people, and the left wanted a force available somewhat sheilded from the voters.
So what if anything are you doing to stop them?
Never open the door if you don’t know who is on the other side. If they don’t acceptably identify themselves and start breaking in the door, it is decision time.
Then whines when it causes him trouble. Stupid ass.
Seems to me a Magistrate has to authorize a search warrant. What did they tell that joker regarding the rationale to support an arrest. Clearly because the last name of the property records is the same as they guy we are looking for is not enough IMO.
Magistrates used to take these matters seriously from my experience in the 70’s and 80’s. What the hell changed all that?
Did I interrupt your Cop Hating session with a cold shower of common sense?
So sorry. (Not really).
I hate it when cops shoot the pet dog. It’s like they are the big dog and want to kill the little dog. Much better research has to be done before these no-knock drug raids by wanna be ninjas.
Aside from that we need to toughen our drug laws so pushers get tried and hanged. This would be hard drug pushers. Marijuana sellers I would exile from the United States for 5 years
Of course not.
Except you are bothered enough to respond.
That is interrupted.
Look it up.
Thanks for playing. I got a good laugh.
Who died the keeper of common sense?
Obviously I posted something you can’t emotionally deal with so now you are Trolling me.
That is exactly how all the Cop Hater threads become.
You were expected, Troll.
“...The transition from a job whose purpose is to take life to a job whose purpose is to protect life must be very difficult, even though similar tactics and weapons are used.
Where does it say their job is “to protect life”???
Their job is to ENFORCE the LAW - period. And they will - no matter which assh*le with an (R) or a (D) after their name tells them to pull the trigger.
1971 Supreme Court ruled that police are under Z-E-R-O obligation to protect or save your life. Their sole job is to show after the crime happens, draw a chalk line around your corpse, and write up a report.
We’re on our own as far as that goes.
They’re NOT our friends. The days of “Peace Officer Friendly” are long gone.
The Nazis used “Officer Friendly” to go door to door to round Jews, folks with firearms, and any other dissident that didn’t go along with program.
What makes ANYONE think it’ll be any different here, should “The Day” come? This no-knock raid sh*t is getting more and more prevalent, and they’re getting more and more bold about it. To my mind, they’re just making examples out of folks to show “who’s in control”.
Decide here and now what you’ll when that day comes, because you won’t have many options.
“...Have we as a Nation lost human concept that as individuals we should do unto others as we would have them do unto us ...?”
noinfringers2 - that concept went out the window when the WWII generation didn’t stomp the lefties into the ground when they started systematically erasing Christianity from every facet of American life.
Is there EVER a police action you deplore?
You are a full-on copsucker.
That is a compliment coming from a loser like you.
Lurk... go easy. Brent’s one of the good ones. Only so much one man can do. The problem’s not with good cops like Brent; the problem’s with fascist scumbags like Berlin_Freeper (”oh, Lord... I beseech thee...”)