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Cloward-Piven Paradise Now? (Good commentary)
American Thinker ^ | August 1, 2011 | Jeannie DeAngelis

Posted on 08/01/2011 10:44:05 AM PDT by jazusamo

Combine class warfare, demonizing the rich, getting as many people onto the welfare rolls as possible, and pushing the economic system to collapse and you have a flawless formula for Cloward-Piven 2.0 -- and a vehicle that ensures Obama remains in power.

Cloward-Piven is a much talked-about strategy proposed in the mid-1960's by two Columbia University sociology professors named Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven. The Cloward-Piven approach was sometimes referred to as the "crisis strategy," which they believed were a means to "end poverty."

The premise of the Cloward-Piven collective/anti-capitalist gospel decried "individual mobility and achievement," celebrated organized labor, fostered the principle that "if each finally found himself in the same relative economic relationship to his fellows ... all were infinitely better off."

The duo taught that if you flooded the welfare rolls and bankrupted the cities and ultimately the nation, it would foster economic collapse, which would lead to political turmoil so severe that socialism would be accepted as a fix to an out-of-control set of circumstances.

The idea was that if people were starving and the only way to eat was to accept government cheese, rather than starve, the masses would agree to what they would otherwise reject. In essence, for the socialist-minded, the Cloward-Piven strategy is a simple formula that makes perfect sense; the radical husband-and-wife team had Saul Alinsky as their muse, and they went on to teach his social action principles to a cadre of socialist-leaning community organizers, one of whom was Barack Obama.

As the debt crisis continues to worsen, President Obama stands idly by an inferno with his arms crossed, shaking his head, and doing nothing other than kinking the fire hose and closing the spigot...

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


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To: Ohioan

We liken this to the Prisoner’s Dilemma. The question is how long will the ‘true believers’ trust in their ‘Leaders’ while being betrayed the whole time. It happens every instance a population foregoes self reliance.
‘You can fool some of the people, some of the time...’
This isn’t about anything but pure adulterated power for those in charge.


51 posted on 08/01/2011 1:44:23 PM PDT by griswold3 (Character is Destiny)
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To: Trailerpark Badass; greeneyes
On a mass basis liked Assad in Syria. Tanks against demonstrators until there are no more demonstrators. I wonder if units would follow such orders or if the command structure would fracture.
52 posted on 08/01/2011 1:49:32 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: jazusamo; All
Great article, and not surprisingly great comments.
53 posted on 08/01/2011 1:53:48 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available 4 FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: Truth29

It’s a good question. Same one I asked the night that Yeltsin stood up and demanded release of the Soviet Premier, while the tanks rolled down the street.

That is when I felt, the Russian system would change, because the military was no longer willing to blindly follow orders.


54 posted on 08/01/2011 2:02:17 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Truth29
Waco.

Believe it, most 19 year-old PFCs and lance corporals will follow orders to disarm racist right-wing racists and homophobes and Christian zealots and rich people who don't want "shared sacrifice."

55 posted on 08/01/2011 2:12:04 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Truth29
Waco.

Believe it, most 19 year-old PFCs and lance corporals will follow orders to disarm racist right-wing racists and homophobes and Christian zealots and rich people who don't want "shared sacrifice."

56 posted on 08/01/2011 2:12:20 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: MestaMachine
From the web site. You can't make this stuff up...

Below are the principles of US Day or Rage:

1.Non Violence

57 posted on 08/01/2011 2:15:24 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (0 - 537 They ALL must go.)
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To: therightliveswithus

Cloward-Piven Strategy = Barackolypse How (to)


58 posted on 08/01/2011 2:22:34 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: Noumenon; Ohioan

I just finished reading: “Captains and the Kings”, by Taylor Caldwell.

Highly recommended reading. A fact-based fiction written around 1970 with a story beginning at the time of the civil war, it lays out these globalist games pretty well.


59 posted on 08/01/2011 2:55:40 PM PDT by Yooper4Life (They all lie.)
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To: roaddog727

Worse than short sighted-—absolutely ignorant of human nature. I’m pretty sure I have enough firepower to take away THEIR cheeze before they get a chance to enjoy it.


60 posted on 08/01/2011 3:28:33 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: DKM

It’s worse than that-—there are only about 12 million of us left in the US that actually manufacture something. The rest of the working group amount to about 170 million and are non-productive overhead of every sort. We have to hope that there are enough in the 170 million group who understand the danger of more socialism etc. to keep the freeloaders under 50%.


61 posted on 08/01/2011 3:37:39 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: radioone

That would be the X-Ray machine division——going to China-—going to be interesting to see how those nuclear materials work out.


62 posted on 08/01/2011 3:44:01 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Dr. Ursus

Well, that and the simple fact that many families are squatters who occuppied the houses of Jews lost during the war. They can’t get clear title to sell or transfer the properties. So they are stuck with paying the property taxes in perpetuity and are too greedy and tight fisted themselves to do the right thing. The kids can’t get a piece of free property and just can’t bring themselves to step out on their own. The parents or squatters can’t re-fi because they can’t sign for the loan. It’s a factor holding Europe back and will be a factor until all the squatters and their kin die off.


63 posted on 08/01/2011 4:01:57 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

check out some of these posts from LEO who says as long as they pay his salary, he’ll do what they say... stopping jus tshy of genocide.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2755037/posts


64 posted on 08/01/2011 4:09:17 PM PDT by teeman8r (armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: MestaMachine

I smell Zach de la Rocha and Michael Moore all over this.


65 posted on 08/01/2011 4:59:59 PM PDT by txhurl (Did you want to talk or fish?)
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To: MestaMachine

That Facebook page clicks to this site:

http://www.usdayofrage.org/

That page clicks to this site:

http://www.occupywallstreet.com/

Bottom of that page clicks to this blog:

http://occupy-wall-street.com/

Do you know any Freeper that can trace these urls?

Odd ranting on the blog, but then again, we know who knows how to incite the rabble.


66 posted on 08/01/2011 5:19:52 PM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: Truth29
"...would the law enforcement and military personnel fire on the citizenry?"

The LEOs already are shooting. "Civilians" are fair game. Look how their entire culture is completely separate from the people they are supposed to "protect and serve."

They are the bodyguard, the "progressive's" thugs. They HAVE to enforce whatever dictats the socialists dream up, because that is the only thing between them and a noose.

As long as civilians still are convinced that this is a nation of laws, the cops are safe. As soon as the people realize that the police are working for the politicians, regardless of how stupid and thieving they become, the house of cards will collapse.

That's why, when another thug soaks up a bullet, or wraps a public car around a tree during a drunken spree, and they make all kinds of long faces on the propaganda box, I shrug and change the channel.

They aren't on Our Side.

67 posted on 08/01/2011 5:23:22 PM PDT by jonascord (The Drug War Rapes the Constitution.)
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To: roaddog727
One critical aspect these clowns forgot tto take into account: WHO makes the cheese? I.e. if everyone is forced onto the dole, then there are no farmers left to produce the milk and/or to make the cheese.

F’n Idealistic short-sighted morons........

The liberals are, yes.

The Leftists? They WANT the starvation.

68 posted on 08/01/2011 5:26:28 PM PDT by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: thouworm

Already tracking down. Anonymous (who are to a large degree Hamas) helping to implement the action. The day of rage 17. of September, but then: Global Revolution (more actions) on Oct. 15.

Meanwhile, something truly strange. Looks like a kind of Teaparty takeover:

http://teapartyorg.ning.com/profiles/blogs/muslim-republicans-says-no

Anybody heard of a “Teaparty Command Center”? Pushing muslims?


69 posted on 08/01/2011 5:51:32 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
I don’t see how one could say this is not working very much as planned.

The end game will always fail. You cannot expect a state that was bankrupted by welfare payments to be able to pay those same welfare payments after the bankruptcy.

70 posted on 08/01/2011 6:36:06 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: thouworm; Hardraade

Tracking the urls is pretty futile. wallstreet.org tracks to GoDaddy in Scottsdale, AZ and wall-street.org tracks in one hop from NY to San Francisico running a Russian highspeed server called nginx.
We have been looking at this for days. Hardraade brought it to my attention and has done more on the groups involved than I have because I have been hipdeep in this budget thing and Gunwalker.
Pinging him to see what’s up.


71 posted on 08/01/2011 6:36:46 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: MestaMachine

Thing about the ip’s here is that it seems they’re using cloudservers, so that would make the pointers pretty pointless. As I said, they have Anonymouys and Lulsec in the crowd.

Heven’t looked at the facebook outlets, but there’s a lot to see on their websites (which are proliferating fast). Egypt, in larger scale.


72 posted on 08/01/2011 6:44:55 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: jazusamo

Francis Fox Piven is probably filling her glass for a toast right about now ...


73 posted on 08/01/2011 6:48:36 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: thouworm

http://www.usdayofrage.org/ tracks to CloudFlare-nginx in San Francisco.


74 posted on 08/01/2011 6:49:48 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: radioone

Jeff Immelt is a communist an a prime mover in the current coup d’etat. He is as evil as they come; as are the Board Members over at GE, as are the officers of the company itself.


75 posted on 08/01/2011 6:49:48 PM PDT by PENANCE
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To: jazusamo

bfl


76 posted on 08/01/2011 6:50:47 PM PDT by east1234 (Cut, Kill, Dig and Drill!)
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To: jazusamo

What Frances F. Piven never realizes is socialism is the entry door to the oligarchical state. [Wasn’t there a talking mule named Frances? ... But I digress} There are really only two viable forms of government for long term life, Oligarchy or Republic. Socialism always leads to an oligarchy. Fools like Piven can only see the pretty tulip poplars and none of the poison shumac forest behind them. Frances is serving her father with all she’s got ... may she soon go to be with her father.


77 posted on 08/01/2011 6:53:07 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Hardraade; thouworm

Guess it’s time to get cracking. Gonna take this to TM and go for it.


78 posted on 08/01/2011 6:53:33 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: Hardraade
Sheesh; I replied 1/2 hr ago, and it's not there

Since then, MM has weighed in on the other matter.

http://www.teaparty.org/ has no url link that I can see to http://teapartyorg.ning.com/.

The latter looks like a blog within blogs (but with the same logo as teaparty.org).

Your url blogger

View Leah Lax 4 President 2012's blog

http://teapartyorg.ning.com/profiles/blog/list?user=3ozt6gobts7m9

also posted this blog entry:

If you long to be free... Do you want to leave Islam

http://teapartyorg.ning.com/profiles/blogs/if-you-long-to-be-free

This is the first time I have visited either of these websites. If the website in question was affiliated to the teaparty.org website, one would think teaparty.org would have a blog link to the website in question.

79 posted on 08/01/2011 7:08:43 PM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: roaddog727
One critical aspect these clowns forgot to take into account: WHO makes the cheese?

It's like welfare. If no one has to work - they don't.
There will be consumption, but nothing to left consume. This is why all the socialist leaders before Oboma had to kill off millions of their own people. No one wanted to get out of bed to bake the bread. People were starving.

The radical left ASSUMES the tax slaves will continue to labor, but if they can get the same paycheck as every one else just by watching TV all day, why work? Why bother? "Where's the remote?"

80 posted on 08/01/2011 7:10:27 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: thouworm

This is the person behind the “teaparty command center”:

http://www.leahlax.com/


81 posted on 08/01/2011 7:11:45 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: MestaMachine

“I have because I have been hipdeep in this budget thing and Gunwalker.”

Hopefully, now, Gunwalker will move to media front burner. Best scenario is that Drudge is persuaded to carry a running storyline of the scandal.

Looks like the WH is using its pull to get in front of the avalanche of facts by presenting its own watered-down, G-rated version.


82 posted on 08/01/2011 7:18:42 PM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: Hardraade

lol; “conservative” democrat using the tea party.org logo on an imitation website?

How did you ever land there in the first place?


83 posted on 08/01/2011 7:26:50 PM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: justa-hairyape

“The end game will always fail. You cannot expect a state that was bankrupted by welfare payments to be able to pay those same welfare payments after the bankruptcy.”

Oh, I quite agree. But long before the adherents and the advocates achieve that end, the effective destruction of the US will be irretrievably enacted. Those of us who see the false utopia of the dreams of the left for what they are won’t be gleefully mocking them “we won - you lost”. No, by the time the left gives up their ultimate goals, all we’ll be able to do is to say “see, we told you” from the next rice paddy over as we, like they, gather our daily harvest quotas of rice.


84 posted on 08/01/2011 7:32:22 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Both sides need to put aside the partisan bickering, & work out how much free stuff I get)
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To: MHGinTN
Fools like Piven can only see the pretty tulip poplars and none of the poison shumac forest behind them.

That's so true and yes, there was talking mule named Francis and probably a whloe lot smarter than Piven. :-)

85 posted on 08/01/2011 7:45:24 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
Not if you were buying gold and silver, stocked up with food, got some weapons for defense, prepared for their collapse and moved yourself to the new country of Texas.

Some of us will actually welcome that, because all their debt will be finally off our backs.

86 posted on 08/01/2011 8:12:13 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

We have elected 500 plus enemies of the Republic and now they are doing their work, pretending that they are trying oh so hard to save the economy while shoving the pistol in the mouth of the economy and pulling the trigger! Spending is the disease, but Congress, all of them the elite bastards, are the pustule oozing pus spreading disease. One of the sadde3st parts of this treachery from D’s and R’s is that we the people will not even be given an accounting of where these sonsabitches spend the borrowed money the gloablists are feeding them to destroy this nation’s sovereignty. Yes, that’s what I said, destroying this nation’s sovereignty. And do we know whom are the sovereigns?... Well, we the people were, but now we are merely the voting serfs too dumbed down to even rage against these pigs in office. We should have built the guillotines long ago. Now the vermin believe we cannot beat them at this flimflam.


87 posted on 08/01/2011 8:19:19 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

Agree with your sentiments. IMHO - The Tea Party is the last shot to hold the country together, but at this point the odds of them succeeding are not very good. Kinda like the odds of a hobbit traveling to Mordor and destroying the one ring that rules them all. Not that it cannot be done, but goblins, orcs and trolls are not easy people to reason with. And to complete their quest, the hobbits will have to put that ring on from time to time and not succumb to its corrupting power.


88 posted on 08/01/2011 9:58:49 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: thouworm
How did you ever land there in the first place?

Twitter stream. Need to watch everything. This woman is trying to divert teaparty people and using the birth certificate stuff as bait. We've seen a lot of that here on FR, although it's mostly weeded out.

89 posted on 08/01/2011 11:32:47 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: justa-hairyape

Goblins, Orcs, and Trolls ... yup that’s the democrap party and it’s dependents!


90 posted on 08/02/2011 10:03:10 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: thouworm

You can trace them exactly to Zach de la Rocha (Frontman and lead commie for Rage Against the Machine) and Michael Moore (extreme sycophant of said).


91 posted on 08/10/2011 6:54:09 PM PDT by txhurl (Did you want to talk or fish?)
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To: MestaMachine

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92 posted on 08/10/2011 7:35:32 PM PDT by PMAS
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