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Palin: House passage of debt deal is a victory for the Tea Party
Hot Air ^ | August 2,2011 | Tina Korbe

Posted on 08/02/2011 2:19:47 PM PDT by Hojczyk

It seems to be the new talking point: The deal is a victory for conservatives not because of what it does (which is, not much!), but because it supposedly represents a change in the direction of the debate. Once, Washington discussed what to grow. Now, Washington discusses what to cut. Even former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has echoed the theme — but with qualifications. The Wall Street Journal Washington Wire reports:

Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin said Monday’s House vote to lift the debt ceiling was a victory for the tea party, proving that conservative activists had shifted the conversation in Washington.

“We shall take this victory and make sure our politicians in office today are learning from this victory,” Ms. Palin said Monday night on Fox News, where she is a paid contributor. “It’s not a 100% pure genuine victory. We just handed the most liberal president, I believe, in U.S. history a $2.4 billion debt increase.” …

Ms. Palin didn’t fully embrace the deal, saying she had plenty of problems with the compromise between the White House and congressional leaders, including Republican House Speaker John Boehner. In the past, the former governor said she was not convinced America would face a default if lawmakers did not raise the debt ceiling by Aug. 2.

Meanwhile, Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), one of the founders of the Tea Party Caucus in Congress (along with GOP presidential candidate Rep. Michele Bachmann), says the deal can’t possibly be touted as a win.

“The Tea Party is not calling this a victory,” Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) said today on Fox News. “I’m certainly not.”

(Excerpt) Read more at hotair.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 112th; debt; debtceiling; king; palin; palinpolicy; sarahpalin; steveking; teaparty; victory
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To: Red_Devil 232
Palin clearly said the bill was a step in the right direction.

She used the word victory for the "actions" of the bill well after Greta used it...Palin used it in the context of the Tea Party first and then in the context of the bill itself.

Many people seem to be in denial.

51 posted on 08/02/2011 2:58:07 PM PDT by Justice
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To: upsdriver

I agree on both points.


52 posted on 08/02/2011 2:58:44 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (JMO but I reserve the right to be wrong...)
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To: what's up
Tuesday, August 02, 2011 1:55:30 PM · 9 of 49 what's up to crosshairs

Actually, the deal would have been much worse without the Tea Party.

She said basically the same thing as you.

53 posted on 08/02/2011 2:59:29 PM PDT by Starstruck
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To: free me

You Jim Robinson? = You mean Jim Robinson


54 posted on 08/02/2011 2:59:53 PM PDT by free me (Sarah Palin 2012 - GAME ON!!)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
The bottom line is that she is not some 100% Conservative hero. She is a decent conservative (???) with some moderate libertarian tendencies.


55 posted on 08/02/2011 3:00:27 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (I said it, I meant it and I represent it.)
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To: Justice; csense

More lies:

Palin does not see it as a victory. Csense explains it so that even people with PDS can understand:

“... She wasn’t referring to the substance of the bill as a victory, she was merely agreeing with Greta, when Greta said: The Tea Party had an enormous victory because they did change the discussion here in Washington, and it is a little bit like trying to change the direction of an aircraft carrier, it’s not easy

Sarah then went on to explain why the content isn’t a victory and summarized by saying: Yes this is a victory because tea party patriots did shift the debate...

She’s not abrogating her principles and what she said was exactly correct.”

The above stolen without permission from csense. - Thanks, free me


56 posted on 08/02/2011 3:01:20 PM PDT by free me (Sarah Palin 2012 - GAME ON!!)
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To: Lakeshark
Palin also said the bill was a step in the right direction

She used the word "victory" also in the context of the actions Congress took (although she was displeased by aspects of it so not 100% victory), and not just the Tea Party.

You seem to be the one being disingenuous.

57 posted on 08/02/2011 3:02:13 PM PDT by Justice
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To: Starstruck
the Tea Party.

With the power shown with this fight now we should have the rest of there agenda in an uproar.....no more rushed bills of several thousand pages unread....no card check....amnesty.....or additional controversial funding.

58 posted on 08/02/2011 3:03:12 PM PDT by clove (God, Family and Country, the truth will live!)
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To: Lakeshark
Simpatico ;-)
59 posted on 08/02/2011 3:05:32 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: free me

You conveniently left out where Palin later said the actions taken this week were a victory, though not 100%.


60 posted on 08/02/2011 3:05:40 PM PDT by Justice
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To: Hojczyk

Palin was correct. This is a big victory for the Tea Party. Spending cuts with no tax increases. Cuts to the Democrat’s favorite socialist programs like Medicare.

It’s a huge political victory for conservatives too. Obama’s approval rating has plunged, and is now lower than at any time during his presidency.

Now we just elect a Tea Party president and Senate next year, then finish the job with the rest of the spending cuts.


61 posted on 08/02/2011 3:05:42 PM PDT by Siegfried X
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To: Justice
Do you think the bill would be anywhere near what was passed if the TEA party candidates had not been there?

Obama and the dems wanted to raise taxes now and actually spend more, so how is this not "a step in the right direction"?

She only repeated Greta's word "victory" and only used in in the context of the debate. I'm not suggesting this was a good deal, and neither was she. The author and the Palin bashers here misconstrue the discussion she and Greta had, listen for yourself.

62 posted on 08/02/2011 3:09:16 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Tallguy
Palin sees it as a positive.

That's not true - stop the msm spin. Learn to comprehend before you comment.
63 posted on 08/02/2011 3:11:09 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Good post!

Show’s the mentality here. They cannot comprehend what is written- their bias gets in the way of their brain cells. And that’s not conservatism - so they out themselves.


64 posted on 08/02/2011 3:14:04 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Lakeshark; All

65 posted on 08/02/2011 3:14:10 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: Hojczyk

We won the issue

The deal is a bad deal all around


66 posted on 08/02/2011 3:14:29 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: LS

In this case, yes. I wish they’d all always agree with me. Alas, it isn’t so. But in this case, Palin and West are wrong.


67 posted on 08/02/2011 3:15:33 PM PDT by Jemian
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

“... but this cult of personality has built up around her such that people project their views onto her. The bottom line is that she is not some 100% Conservative hero.”

Yes, I call it the “Tough-talking RINO Effect”. No matter how many times a Republican politician helps the Democrats, lots of Republicans will assume he’s a conservative as long as he talks tough (or uses a firearm or served in combat).

The examples are endless: McCain, Giuliani, Chris Christie, Krauthammer, ...


68 posted on 08/02/2011 3:15:55 PM PDT by Siegfried X
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To: Jemian

Do you understand what she said?


69 posted on 08/02/2011 3:16:04 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Lakeshark
"Obama and the dems wanted to raise taxes now and actually spend more, so how is this not "a step in the right direction"?"

This bill IS a step in the right direction...Palin is correct.

It is a partial victory.

"listen for yourself."

I listened very carefully. She said the "actions taken this week" meaning the debt bill were a partial victory or a step in the right direction.

70 posted on 08/02/2011 3:17:11 PM PDT by Justice
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To: BfloGuy
Will Palin now become persona non grata at FR?

Or will the debt ceiling deal become popular? If taxes on oil companies can become popular so can the debt dealing among the faithful.

71 posted on 08/02/2011 3:17:37 PM PDT by RINOs suck
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Have a link by chance? I missed it and would like to see it if you happen to have it.

You don't want to go there. It degenerated into a flame war and too many long term FReepers got tarred as trolls and threatened with a zot.

Here's the link to what Sarah actually said. Her "victory" remarks start just after three minutes -- she clarified what "victory" means in the context of shifting the debate, what it does NOT mean (handing Obama a blank check for 2.4 trillion, yes she said TRILLION, for example).

http://www.therightscoop.com/sarah-palin-quite-appalling-to-be-called-a-terrorist-by-vice-president/

72 posted on 08/02/2011 3:17:51 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: Hojczyk

8/1/2011 8:18:00 AM
In America, a grassroots oxygen

Richard Moore
Investigative Reporter

If you believe the headlines in the mainstream media these past few weeks, you have to believe the country is on the verge of collapse.

Not only will default on the nation’s debt wreck the economy, if it happens, but Washington’s political stalemate is an example of the complete dysfunction of the American political system, the pundits and reporters tell us.

According to this analysis, we are witnessing the breakdown of governance itself. The American political system is on the brink, and no one has wanted to wink.

It’s all so much nonsense. I’ve addressed the economic consequences of default before - or the lack thereof - but now let’s take a look at this so-called collapse of American democracy and political institutions.

No matter how the debt talks turn out (or have turned out), what we have witnessed is not the collapse of governance, but the first serious challenge to an entrenched establishment in decades. What we have witnessed is not the obstinance of ideologues, but the courage of the principled.

http://lakelandtimes.com/main.asp?SectionID=10&SubSectionID=68&ArticleID=13549&TM=63552.84


73 posted on 08/02/2011 3:19:20 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Jemian
"But in this case, Palin and West are wrong."

No, Palin is not wrong...she is correct.

What happened this week was a step in the right direction and the Tea Party helped us from getting a much worse bill.

74 posted on 08/02/2011 3:19:24 PM PDT by Justice
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To: mulligan
Cannot believe Palin said that. Sad.

She didn't. See the link at #72.

75 posted on 08/02/2011 3:20:19 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: BinaryBoy

Now all those lazy slobs holding out there hands for “Obama’s Money” will be salivating.


76 posted on 08/02/2011 3:21:02 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/01...NEVER FORGET.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
I love Sarah Palin but this cult of personality has built up around her such that people project their views onto her. The bottom line is that she is not some 100% Conservative hero. She is a decent conservative with some moderate tendencies. Look at her record as governor of Alaska. Look at her statements before she was nominated to the GOP ticket. There is a reason she and Perry get along so well. They are both moderately conservative.

Exactly! The difference between the two is that Perry would win a landslide while Palin would stand no better than a 50-50 chance.

77 posted on 08/02/2011 3:21:08 PM PDT by RINOs suck
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To: Justice

Then we don’t have much of a disagreement here but I don’t understand the snarkiness, or am I misreading what you are saying?


78 posted on 08/02/2011 3:21:33 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Churchillspirit

there = their. :)


79 posted on 08/02/2011 3:22:18 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/01...NEVER FORGET.)
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To: Justice
Palin clearly said the bill was a step in the right direction.

But you just pull that one phrase from what she continued to say ...

"... it's a step in the right direction. Yet still, you know, I'm not celebrating as a pure 100 percent victory the actions that have been taken because, again, we're handing a very liberal president and his colleagues a check in order to spend even more money that we don't have. We're not taking the steps still to reform entitlements so that those safety nets can be there for future generations. And we're not taking steps, Greta, to become energy independent. We're still over there talking to dictators, talking to foreign country leaders, asking them to ramp up development of energy supplies when we have those God-given resources here, underfoot, that we should be developing in order to be energy secure, one more step to get the economy back on the right track."

80 posted on 08/02/2011 3:26:42 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: upsdriver
"Oh, good grief. Are people that damned dense?"

Well, half of us do have physically smaller brains.


81 posted on 08/02/2011 3:27:39 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in a thunderous avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Lakeshark

Well, I think Sarah can speak for herself so I posted the TRANSCRIPT for all to see.

It’s amazing some people don’t realize Fox provide transcripts to interviews.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2757719/posts

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/transcript/palin-hits-back-biden-saying-tea-party-acted-039terrorists039-during-debt-debate


82 posted on 08/02/2011 3:27:44 PM PDT by Clyde5445 (Gov. Sarah Palin: "You have to sacrifice to win. That's my philosophy in 6 words.")
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To: RINOs suck

If you like the result the establishment has provided the past few days, then you should be supporting an establishment backed candidate.


83 posted on 08/02/2011 3:27:47 PM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: Lakeshark
You did not acknowledge that Palin did, in fact, also frame the debt deal ("actions taken this week" said later in the interview) in the terms of victory although not 100%.

That was not a correct representation.

84 posted on 08/02/2011 3:30:24 PM PDT by Justice
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To: mulligan
Cannot believe Palin said that. Sad.

Blasphemy. She could never say anything but those words writ for her by God.

SHE is the NEW savior and you had best get used to it.

85 posted on 08/02/2011 3:33:17 PM PDT by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: Clyde5445; Justice; All
Thanks for the actual transcript, a lot of folks on this thread are getting the wrong idea from this author. The two full money quotes:

Well, I think that we shall take this victory and make sure that our politicians in office today are learning from this victory, realizing that it's not 100 percent pure, genuine victory because realize, Greta, we just handed the most liberal president, I believe, in U.S. history a $2.4 trillion debt increase. We're allowing him to increase the budget even more, and without guaranteed cuts, and without guaranteed reforms. And we have to make sure that we realize that, yes, this is a victory, because Tea Party patriots did shift the debate. However, there's so much more work to do in order to get the economy back on the right track and to restore the exceptionalism that is America.

And

Right. A couple of things there. One is Obama did get what he wanted in terms of not having to deal with this issue until after the election. So that was his part of a victory there. But another thing in terms of timing of all this, what happened to the pledge that our congressmen had made to America, saying that they would post online for three days any bill before it was voted upon? They've already broken that pledge. You know, and doggone it, that makes us disappointed in our politicians in Washington, D.C. We want to make sure they're fulfilling the promises that they've made. But yes, there's -- it's a step in the right direction. Yet still, you know, I'm not celebrating as a pure 100 percent victory the actions that have been taken because, again, we're handing a very liberal president and his colleagues a check in order to spend even more money that we don't have. We're not taking the steps still to reform entitlements so that those safety nets can be there for future generations. And we're not taking steps, Greta, to become energy independent. We're still over there talking to dictators, talking to foreign country leaders, asking them to ramp up development of energy supplies when we have those God-given resources here, underfoot, that we should be developing in order to be energy secure, one more step to get the economy back on the right track.

86 posted on 08/02/2011 3:34:33 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Hojczyk
You can post what you want, but this story (with HEADLINE) originates from a site which is actively campaigning for Gov. Perry. Example? Look at their August candidate survey which was released early today. Palin’s numbers went up again, yet Hot Air is pushing the poll with a picture of Gov. Perry and the caption “Surging”. This is the same angle (against Palin) they used two months ago with Michele Bachmann.

I don't personally care which candidate you're pushing, but at least make an attempt at objectivity. If you saw the interview, this headline was taken out of context and is very misleading.

87 posted on 08/02/2011 3:35:47 PM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: Lakeshark; what's up; mulligan; Las Vegas Ron
Palin's statement is here and she does qualify it. She was responding to what Greta said a few seconds earlier.
88 posted on 08/02/2011 3:36:35 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Justice
Palin clearly said the bill was a step in the right direction.

It's far more of step in the wrong direction. No one should be spinning the deal as anything but a disaster.

89 posted on 08/02/2011 3:36:35 PM PDT by RINOs suck
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To: RINOs suck

Your PDS is quite known - so your comments are considered null and void.


90 posted on 08/02/2011 3:37:29 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: CedarDave
Thank you for sharinig that with me, it's nice to see it for myself and make my own call.

I have to agree with Palin, she called it like it is. I have to check even myself sometimes when we don't get everything we want....right now.

The left has been at this for close to a hundred years now, they have incrementally imposed their agenda taking three steps forward, kicked back maybe one step by the GOP but none the less accomplishing a two step “progress”. The last fifty years have yielded the most dramatic “change”

We have at least two generations of commie/socialist infiltration to fix, whether it can be done peacefully remains to be see......I have my doubts. IMHO, of course.

91 posted on 08/02/2011 3:37:55 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: Siegfried X
Spending cuts with no tax increases.

Except there could be tax increases and the spending cuts are merely reductions in the increase of spending years down the line that might never happen.

92 posted on 08/02/2011 3:37:55 PM PDT by RINOs suck
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To: Justice
I just posted the full main quotes from a discussion that actually came from Biden calling the TEA party terrorists. I think you are missing something here......
93 posted on 08/02/2011 3:38:32 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: what's up

Plenty of people like me over at C4P who said this was not the Governor’s best moment.


94 posted on 08/02/2011 3:38:48 PM PDT by kozanne
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To: kozanne

And I should add that I still think Governor Palin is our best shot at a true STATESWOMAN as President, as opposed to politicians.


95 posted on 08/02/2011 3:39:40 PM PDT by kozanne
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To: Hojczyk
“The Tea Party is not calling this a victory,” Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) said today on Fox News. “I’m certainly not.”

Well, that's nice, Steve. That's certainly accurate. But, I must ask: Would it have been a "victory" if the debt ceiling had been raised $2.4 TRILLION via the bill YOU and all but nine of your Republican colleagues voted for?

96 posted on 08/02/2011 3:39:54 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ('I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air.' -- Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Hojczyk

Ron Paul! He’s less nuts than EVERYBODY else.


97 posted on 08/02/2011 3:40:54 PM PDT by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: Jemian
"In this case, Palin is wrong."

But it was a victory for socialist public school teachers--like "early funding."


98 posted on 08/02/2011 3:41:21 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in a thunderous avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Lakeshark
Obama and the dems wanted to raise taxes now and actually spend more, so how is this not "a step in the right direction"?

Taxes could still be raised if the "super committee" deems it necessary. The Bush tax cuts or other tax loopholes may be closed, effectively raising taxes. AND, WE ARE SPENDING SIGNIFICANTLY MORE. The "cuts" are a reduction in the increase that may never actually happen and after trillions more have been added to the debt.

Only Sarah Palin could compel someone to make a conservative come up with a spin like this.

Are you getting dizzy from doing all that spinning?

99 posted on 08/02/2011 3:42:25 PM PDT by RINOs suck
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To: Rational Thought
If you like the result the establishment has provided the past few days, then you should be supporting an establishment backed candidate.

I don't like the results. The only candidates that I have seen that have said the results were in anyway good are Jon Huntsman and Palin.

100 posted on 08/02/2011 3:45:47 PM PDT by RINOs suck
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