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Where Would General Motors Be Without the United Automobile Workers Union?
Mises.org ^ | 4/19/06 | George Reisman

Posted on 08/04/2011 6:45:30 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat

This is a question that no one seems to be asking. And so I've asked it. And here, in essence, is what I think is the answer. (The answer, of course, applies to Ford and Chrysler, as well as to General Motors. I've singled out General Motors because it's still the largest of the three and its problems are the most pronounced.)

(Excerpt) Read more at mises.org ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: unions
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An older article, but very worthwhile. Gives TEN reasons how the company and the workers would be better without the union.
1 posted on 08/04/2011 6:45:34 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat
They'd have built a better product and not be screwing their customers.

We were “screwed” by GM and refused to ever buy a GM product again. That was 23 years ago. Unfortunately, we are paying for their lousy existence now via our taxes.

2 posted on 08/04/2011 6:48:42 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Recovering_Democrat

The big labor bosses would be working for a living.


3 posted on 08/04/2011 6:52:44 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Recovering_Democrat

My union rant... It never gets old, at least not for me.

I’m distressed by the fact that the narrative currently in vogue, (even among conservatives, and this is horrifying for what it means for the future of the country) seems to run like this,

“Public sector unions are REALLY bad. There are some bad things in private sector unions, too, but they aren’t pure evil like public sector unions. Private sector unions, especially at the turn of the century, were actually pretty good.”

This is pure BS! It is very, very, very scary when, even here on FR, for Pete’s sake, people do not recognize ALL UNIONS AS GOVERNMENT SANCTIONED THEFT OF PRIVATE PROPERTY FOR THE PURPOSE OF BUYING DEMOCRAT VOTES.

I expect ignorance of this fact elsewhere, but here on FR??????????????????????

Here’s how the purely evil, anti-American, communistic, welfare-begging private sector unions work…..

I set up a business, using MY PRIVATE PROPERTY (my capital and/or cash money).
I pay for the space, using MY PRIVATE PROPERTY.
I pay the taxes using MY PRIVATE PROPERTY.
I supply the parts and inventory, using MY PRIVATE PROPERTY.
I pay for the insurance, using MY PRIVATE PROPERTY.
I pay the labor, using MY PRIVATE PROPERTY.
I recruit, hire, and advertise, using MY PRIVATE PROPERTY.
Oftentimes an entire life’s savings (MY PRIVATE PROPERTY) is at stake.
My future, my standing in the community, my credit, and MY PRIVATE PROPERTY are all at stake.
If I fail, I stand a good chance of being economically crippled for life.

One day, on MY PRIVATE PROPERTY that I own and acquired using MY PRIVATE PROPERTY, one of my employees, who is only in my presence because of the risk of MY PRIVATE PROPERTY, comes to me and says, “Here’s the story, Bub. From this moment forward I am going to begin organizing your other employees to work AGAINST YOUR PRIVATE INTERESTS and do everything in our power to TAKE BY FORCE AS MUCH OF YOUR PRIVATE PROPERTY AS WE CAN GET OUR HANDS ON. We are going to spend a great deal of time and effort ORGANIZING AGAINST YOUR INTERESTS TO DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO GROW STRONGER AT YOUR EXPENSE, IN ORDER TO TAKE YOUR MONEY. You might as well have your business competitors working here on the shop floor. If you do not agree to our demands, we will go on strike, make your life miserable, harass and threaten and/or MURDER IN COLD BLOOD anybody you may want to hire in our place.”

Now the one and ONLY way that such a thing could EVER take place is for the government to step in and say, “Mr. Employer, if you fire this union man, you are going to jail.”

Plainly and simply, no union could ever exist in a free society. Yes, in a free society, you should be able to form and join a union of any type at any time for any purpose whatsoever. AND YOUR EMPLOYER SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIRE YOUR HAPPY ASS IN A HEARTBEAT FOR DOING SO. FREEDOM IS A TWO WAY STREET.

I find this ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. Truly. A man strolls onto the PRIVATE PROPERTY of another man and tells him how he will employ his PRIVATE PROPERTY going forward, OR ELSE!, and hundreds of millions, if not billions, of people the world over think that the first man is not only somehow better than sub-human filth, they actually see him as a hero! To me, this is one of the most perverse and mystifying examples of twisted human thinking the world has ever seen. I can’t say it enough; you come onto my PRIVATE PROPERTY, and bargain with me, using the THREAT OF GOVERNMENT SANCTIONED FORCE, about how much of my PRIVATE PROPERTY you will allow me to keep! And this is somehow acceptable?

As I say, even conservatives, (who have escaped the liberal brainwashing that begins when we are still in the womb on guns, race, US history, etc., etc., and do not subscribe to the easy notions that are so readily picked up by the unthinking) seem to fall for this trap. Seem to believe that…

“The work place is filled with mean managers and mean bosses who were/are really mean to kids and women and workers and paid them pennies instead of the legitimate millions that they were REALLY worth, making evil white male capitalists even richer, and they enslaved them and coerced them and made them work real hard and were really, really mean. THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for the government stepping in and saving women and children from mean bosses and really mean white capitalist men.”

Needless to say, each and every single word of that narrative is as totally false and ridiculous as the liberal narrative on US history, or bad guns, or evil white men. If you know people who believe that stuff, you cannot help them. Do not waste your breath on them, do not do their research for them; have them read Sowell or Williams or von Hayek, or von Mises, or Friedman, or even Stossel when they write of “sweatshops” either in today’s 3rd world or in America at the turn of the century.


4 posted on 08/04/2011 6:57:44 PM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: dhs12345
They'd have built a better product and not be screwing their customers.

I used to work in a GMAD plant. I was a UAW member.

I can say without fear of contradiction that the average UAW member doesn't give a flying f**** about the quality of the product they put out/assemble. They care about;


5 posted on 08/04/2011 7:00:45 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (If you think it's time to bury your weapons.....it's time to dig them up.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Unions are always and everywhere nothing but the theft of private property to be steered to Obama and Al Franken to steal elections. Period, end of story. Unions steal the property of (largely) white, capitalist, men, and give it to Obama, so that he can give it to others in exchange for their votes.


6 posted on 08/04/2011 7:01:54 PM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Maybe I wouldn’t have had my GM bonds go from $38500 value to $3850 overnight.


7 posted on 08/04/2011 7:08:01 PM PDT by bamagirl1944 (That's short for Alabama, not Obama)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Where Would General Motors Be Without the United Automobile Workers Union?

Profitable?

8 posted on 08/04/2011 7:09:00 PM PDT by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

I am able to say for certain that I will never own a GM product again


9 posted on 08/04/2011 7:10:44 PM PDT by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: Doctor 2Brains
Your post and the next are so true. I worked for a municipality and refused to join the public union. I quit after a year because I was raised to work for a living.When I started spiking my coffee in the morning just so I could deal with the lazy SOB’s I had to work with, I knew it was time to go back to a real job.
10 posted on 08/04/2011 7:10:56 PM PDT by GranTorino (Bloody Lips Save Ships.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
That explains why the POS car was falling apart on us.... and almost got my wife into two accidents.

Apparently, the engine (and other parts) weren’t put together correctly. Some servos on the carb were installed backwards along with a dozen other serious problems with the car. Maybe they were smoking pot when they put the car together.

We dumped the car after 14K miles. Notice that it was just above the 12K mile warranty. GM stopped supporting us after the warranty expired.

BTW, I fault the GM management who made the decisions to cut corners at the expense of my safety and their quality.

11 posted on 08/04/2011 7:11:06 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Without the UAW GM would still be the world’s largest, most profitable automaker with the largest cash reserves in the industry.

Where would Community Organizer Barack O’Bozo be without the UAW?


12 posted on 08/04/2011 7:13:25 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The more effeminate & debauched the people, the more they are fitted for a tyrannical government.)
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To: GranTorino

You’d be stunned at the number of dumb asses on this forum who swallow the “mean managers were mean to people, so thank God for the federal government and unions saving poor child workers” line. I USED to believe it until I read the works of Sowell, Friedman, von Mises, von Hayek, Stossel, etc.


13 posted on 08/04/2011 7:16:22 PM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: MAexile
"Where Would General Motors Be Without the United Automobile Workers Union?

Profitable?"

I was going to say profitable and privately owned.

14 posted on 08/04/2011 7:17:52 PM PDT by evad (Obama needs to show us his green card)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

My last new Crewcab Diesel truck the headliner was falling and it leaked water from the cab marker lights pouring inside,and the Oil leaks,but Chevy did nothing what the hell 54K with @1700 in union extortion/Health care balled up in the price,I kept the 04 Dodge dually Cummins diesel I have now and got rid of the new chevy duramax.


15 posted on 08/04/2011 7:25:16 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: bamagirl1944

“Maybe I wouldn’t have had my GM bonds go from $38500 value to $3850 overnight.”

Holy Crap!!!!!!!!!!


16 posted on 08/04/2011 7:27:04 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: Doctor 2Brains
Unions. A shelter for dumb-asses and a breeding ground for lazybones's.
17 posted on 08/04/2011 7:32:20 PM PDT by GranTorino (Bloody Lips Save Ships.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Obama Motors' workers will move from the UAW, to the SEIU, as they really are now government "workers"....LOL

(I use the oxymoron "government workers" in the real sense, in that their is no work that really means anything that gets done by them)

18 posted on 08/04/2011 7:36:35 PM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
If you follow the stories Like the Dodge Brothers,Ford and GM, The UAW was like plague locusts has plundered that industry to no end,going on strikes where the company could be hurt,the same old Union BS “they got the money” or I do not care what happens to the company! Guess what? they NEVER Learned!
19 posted on 08/04/2011 7:37:07 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

A lot better off. Unions are for the lazy scum of the Earth


20 posted on 08/04/2011 7:39:27 PM PDT by KwHorn77 (Tired of the GOP being the minority party!)
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To: Doctor 2Brains
This is why I live in Texas. Not many unions and we have lots of guns and ammo to defend OUR PRIVATE PROPERTY.

Except for the fact of property taxes which in my opinion is nothing more than protection money.

If you think we are a free country I have beach front property to sell you in Oklahoma.

21 posted on 08/04/2011 7:41:51 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: KwHorn77
Unions are for the lazy scum of the Earth

When I was a freshly graduated engineer, I was starting up industrial power plants for a living. I still recall learning with shock the electricians in the Longview, WA area called themselves (with PRIDE) the "FLEs" --> "Fat Lazy Electricians." True story. Those guys could featherbed the end of a construction project like you wouldn't believe. It was easier to get the ticks and fleas off the dog than get those guys out of the plant.

22 posted on 08/04/2011 7:44:12 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: dhs12345
It must have been the lunch time boozers who messed up the carb on you car. The pot smokers only install safety items like seat belts and air bags.
23 posted on 08/04/2011 7:50:19 PM PDT by JPG (Yes She Can!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Wonder what is going to happen when the next labor talks start and the UAW is on both sides of the bargaining table.
They are 47% owners of the company and the represent the workers? Bet Odumbo will have a great solution for that conflict of interest.


24 posted on 08/04/2011 7:50:56 PM PDT by JohnD9207 (John McCain is a proud Ted Kennedy conservative!)
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To: JPG
Lol!
25 posted on 08/04/2011 7:56:29 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Recovering_Democrat

The companies were in a conspiracy with the union for decades to plunder the public.

The union extorted higher wages, but the company just passed the costs on to the public. So why should management care? All US auto companies were unionized, so the playing field remained level. The cost of the union was in essence the same as a tax.

It wasn’t until the massive flood of imports that the US companies had to truly compete with with more or less free market alternatives.

If there were no significant numbers of imports or US non-union car makers, the companies would still be fat and happy. They’d all just charge more.


26 posted on 08/04/2011 7:57:29 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Where Would General Motors Be Without the United Automobile Workers Union?

In the black?

27 posted on 08/04/2011 7:59:39 PM PDT by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Where Would General Motors Be Without the United Automobile Workers Union?

Privately held and NOT "Government Motors".

28 posted on 08/04/2011 8:00:19 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: dhs12345

I always bought GM cars mostly Chevy’s. I bought two new ones in 1990 that the paint literally pealed off the car in huge spots. It was spot fixed by the dealers several times until the warranty expired then they blamed it on acid rain and told me I was on my own. One vehicle in particular, a 1990 Chevy S-10 pickup needed so many other repairs amounting to several thousand dollars that GM sent engineers to inspect the vehicle because I had purchased an extended warranty that covered the drive train and suspension. The truck only had 40k miles on it and was never taken off road or driven hard. GM paid for the repairs and then refunded me the cost for the extended warranty and told me again I was on my own. From then on I swore I would never buy another GM car as long as I live.


29 posted on 08/04/2011 8:01:10 PM PDT by Wiggins
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Where Would General Motors Be Without the United Automobile Workers Union?

Well, they'd have one less new Camaro sitting on their lot. My first new car was a 68 Camaro, 327, four on the floor. I'd like to buy another new one. Unfortuantely, it will be a cold day in hell before I buy a product from Government Motors and the scumbag union thugs there.

30 posted on 08/04/2011 8:01:10 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Americans need to wean their government off of its dependence on foreign money.)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

Good point. Wonder what Deming though of Unions.

They certainly affect quality.

And he blamed 85% of the problems on management. Ironically, that could include Unions.


31 posted on 08/04/2011 8:02:04 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Doctor 2Brains
o.o Good post

I worked for a unionized Wal-Mart esque store, Meijer for those of you not in Michigan or Ohio. It would take a long damn time to fire some of the worst employees you could imagine. Some were good, some were rotten. There was (is?) a union steward named Bonny that was the meanest person I ever had the misfortune of working with. She looked like a vulture and hissed like a stray cat. Hours and raises were always on time spent, never on merit. I currently haaaaaaate my current company and would love to get a new job, but I would never make things worse by dealing with the devil. We do have union workers in my company and they are horrible, some can barely read if at all.

32 posted on 08/04/2011 8:05:25 PM PDT by nerdwithagun (I'd rather go gun to gun then knife to knife.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Very successfully introducing real trucks/cars that americans have loved for 60 years.

Today, sorry...the hurt the american economy when they teamed with Obozo.


33 posted on 08/04/2011 8:07:11 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I Stand With Sarah!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

I have thought for a long time that the unions have ruined a lot of American workers, it taught them that they do not nned to do a good job, all they need to do is be present to collect their pay check!


34 posted on 08/04/2011 8:08:44 PM PDT by Die_Hard Conservative Lady (When all the working class leave California what will be left?)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Profitable?

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

35 posted on 08/04/2011 8:13:28 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Texas Fossil

Let’s not forget General Motors body parts by Fisher Body, Pittsburgh, PA. If it weighed the correct amount, it passed.


36 posted on 08/04/2011 8:15:29 PM PDT by AGreatPer
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To: Wiggins
Wow! What did the engineers say about it? That would have been interesting.

Seems like GM had a lot of problems in the late 80s and through the 90s. Ours was a brand new ‘86 Transam. Don't know about quality now and don't care.

We drove 50 miles to the nearby major city and limped into the Dodge dealership. We traded it for a “K” car. There was a rattling sound coming from the rear end. The paint and decals were pealing (like you) and the damn thing would randomly stall out — fuel/carb system problems. Of course, you'd lose all power (steering and brakes).

Apparently, the Dodge dealership had to put a lot of money into the car to sell it.

My in-laws were big fans of the K car and had little problems with theirs. We were so angry with our experience we had little patience for more car problems. We certainly got our money out of our K car.

>>>> We'll never forgive GM for how they treated us.

37 posted on 08/04/2011 8:17:23 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: AGreatPer

Yep, whether or not it had a loose bolt inside the door or not. hee hee hee


38 posted on 08/04/2011 8:19:47 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: AGreatPer

My wife bought a Saturn Vue with a VTI transmission. At 108,000 miles the transmission went out. We were quoted $4,500 to repair. It will never run again, has been setting idle for over 2 years. There was a class action lawsuit and settlement over the VTI tranny, but since we purchased it with 1,500 miles on it, not new, we were out of the loop.


39 posted on 08/04/2011 8:24:37 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

GM wouldn’t be trading at $25.99 [10 bucks BELOW its recent IPO price] ...


40 posted on 08/04/2011 8:48:27 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Texas Fossil
"but since we purchased it with 1,500 miles on it, not new, we were out of the loop."

Most contracts were written that way back then.
It is pretty much the same way today, UNLESS, the origional buyer has got the service from the dealer and done on time and at a premium price. (My comment: anti-trust is being ignored today) You must have accurate records. 100,000 miles warranty, my arse.

They are still getting away with it.

41 posted on 08/04/2011 8:59:24 PM PDT by AGreatPer
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To: Recovering_Democrat

GM Vehicles would be of higher quality, and cost at least 20% less (and quite possibly more).


42 posted on 08/04/2011 9:17:41 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: AGreatPer

Regardless of what is right or wrong, that will be my last GM auto. Still have an old Silverado Pickup, but will never buy another GM vehicle again....

We may all be riding horses again if Obozo has his way.


43 posted on 08/04/2011 9:25:41 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

My step-father grew up in Detroit (and in fact, he and my mother are moving back to that area later this month...).

While he is relatively conservative overall in political matters - FAR too many years of brainwashing by a union environment and one negative word about unions and you are cross-ways with him.


44 posted on 08/04/2011 9:27:37 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: Wiggins

ping for later


45 posted on 08/04/2011 9:29:22 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: Texas Fossil

I just bought a jacked-up ‘86 Ford Bronco for my alternate getting around town in the winter time vehicle so I can preserve my very nice F-150. I never, ever, considered a vintage GM product because of the nationlization of a once great American company. I’ll stay Ford until I die.


46 posted on 08/04/2011 9:35:00 PM PDT by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Where Would General Motors Be Without the United Automobile Workers Union?

More to the point...

Where Would the United Automobile Workers Union Be Without General Motors ?

Cleaning toilets if they were lucky.

47 posted on 08/04/2011 9:59:19 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Sorry to say, it's not just GM or the auto industry that is at fault:

For the most part, business will not go up against the government. Rather they will use their influence through lobbyists to get favorable terms to conduct their craft looking to maximize their short term profits, and not caring of the influences their accepted regulation has on the market place at large. Wilson and FDR began the destruction of American Industry. Obama intends to complete it.

48 posted on 08/04/2011 10:38:37 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

Well said; thank you.


49 posted on 08/04/2011 11:03:19 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: dhs12345
With my Chevy S-10, the first problem I noticed was the steering getting loose. I took it to my local dealer and they told me the front end was shot. This was in between paint repairs. They replaced most of the front end coming to about $750.00 all covered under warranty. Shortly after that the engine started overheating. They replaced one cylinder head. A few months later they replaced the other. Again covered by the warranty. The next thing I noticed was a thumping and grinding noise under the rear of the vehicle. That was the torsion bars. Again covered by the warranty. The Alternator and Power Steering pump went next. Warranty also. I may be forgetting a repair or two but when the transmission went the dealer told me that GM engineers wanted to inspect the truck. I remember seeing these two so called engineers in white coveralls with all sorts of equipment going over every inch of the truck. They would not even talk to me. When the transmission was finally repaired and I went to pick up the truck, the dealer informed that GM decided to give me a full refund, about $1200.00 for the amount I paid for the extended warranty. After combing through the contract I found the small print that gave them this option. From now on was on my own. The next day I traded the truck in for a 1996 Toyota Tacoma pickup. Needless to say that I put almost 300k miles on the Tacoma before selling it to one of my neighbors who drove it out to California and back. The only repairs to the Toyota were normal wear and tear items. I bought a new Tacoma in 2006 and that one runs like charm too. For a short time I was foolish enough to think that GM was going to give me new vehicle. They will never make a fool of me again. The 1996 Toyota is still running fine to this day.
50 posted on 08/04/2011 11:42:06 PM PDT by Wiggins
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