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Post Office Warns of Default; Wants Help From Congress
Internation Business Times ^ | August 5, 2011 | IB Times Staff Reports

Posted on 08/05/2011 10:49:48 AM PDT by NautiNurse

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To: Buckeye McFrog
A project i worked on years ago revealed the need to close 28,000 post offices. They are closing only 3,000 or so. Ain't no thang. This will generate few real complaints.

Worked on another project to review about 20 years of newspaper articles about post office closures. I found out that almost all the complaints made by the general public concerned a single item ~ the need to change their address as a consequence of the change.

They really weren't concerned with service ~ mostly because when you get your delivery from a small post office it arrives a day or two later than for other people.

That problem ~ the address change ~ was FIXED some time back with implementation of the 9 digit ZIP Code.

51 posted on 08/05/2011 5:30:36 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: vetvetdoug
Snow Shoe Thompson lived in Canada. He had a couple of wives, and a whole string of concubines stretching across the Great White North.

Today Most Canadians are descendants of ol' Snow Shoe.

What relevance does he have to USPS?

52 posted on 08/05/2011 5:35:58 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Waco
Oh my Gawd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey, guys we need some help here ~ ol'Waco missed the destruction of the Post Office Department, the creation of the United States Postal Service, etc. JUST NOT POSSIBLE.

53 posted on 08/05/2011 5:41:46 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: fred42
Hmm ~ all great ideas ~ but my goodness MOST postal employees don't work as carriers. There are distribution clerks, window clerks, supervisors, specialists of all kinds (keeping the machinery working), management, etc.

Whacking the carrier craft in two would probably do two things ~ reduce the workforce by about 1/5 AND PO every blue haired old lady in the nation.

Lotsa luck.

54 posted on 08/05/2011 5:44:55 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ichabod1

28 years ~ I think that’s where revenue from third-class exceeded that of First Class Mail.


55 posted on 08/05/2011 5:47:55 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

yes, but raise the price of junk mail & the total volume will drop, reducing the number of workers needed.


56 posted on 08/05/2011 5:58:02 PM PDT by fred42 ("Get your facts first, then you can distort 'em as much as you need." - Mark Twain)
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To: fred42
Not the way it works. There are dynamics in effect that are generally not obvious to the general public. For instance MAIL STORAGE. Contrary to common belief, there's little space designed into postal facilities to store mail overnight, and certainly not for two nights.

Then, there's the problem of "number of stops" ~ let's say a route had 500 delivery points or possible deliveries. On an average day you'd probably have mail going to at least 400 of them. The time it takes the carrier to cover that route is highly dependent on actual delivery stops ~ because it takes a certain amount of time to actually deliver mail at a stop (Stop. Get mail from tray. Open window ~ in winter. Reach out to box. Open box. Put mail in box. Close box. Check for traffic. Travel to next box.

It gets far more complex with foot routes, park and loop, etc.

When you cut delivery to every other day on any particular route you increase the number of actual stops ~ probably all the way up to 500 every time you deliver.

Apartment routes have other problems ~ and so on and so forth. USPS has numerous employees dedicated to making sure these routes can be delivered efficiently. Every idea you presented will result in greater street time requirements. You'd have to ADJUST all of the routes as a result, making them shorter. Then you'd need more routes established, with more carriers.

I'm sure your aggregate savings would be about 30% of what you imagine is possible.

That's just on street time ~ which is ideally more than half a carrier's time, but not all of it. There's office time and that's a totally different problem. All the things a carrier does in the office before going out are dependent on the volume of mail, not the length of the route.

57 posted on 08/05/2011 6:02:50 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: fred42
Talk to the Postal Rate Commission. That's an independent regulatory agency that conducts elaborate hearings from time to time on postal requests for various prices ~ up or down.

They are usually loathe to simply let USPS charge a higher price without some sort of cost justification!

Their job, in part, is to protect the public from predatory pricing practices.

58 posted on 08/05/2011 6:04:51 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

yes you’d have to store mail a day longer, w/o junk mail, there’s be less to store.

take away my junk mail & I’d rarely get mail. most all important mail I get on the web.

the bottom line is we need a plan. times change. should we have kept all the gas lighters after the electric bulb became available ?


59 posted on 08/05/2011 6:16:34 PM PDT by fred42 ("Get your facts first, then you can distort 'em as much as you need." - Mark Twain)
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To: muawiyah
You as a TAX PAYER have no right to POSTAGE.

No matter how much you yell, that does not change the fact that I, as a taxpayer, must pay hard earned money to dispose of all the unsolicited junk mail received. As a taxpayer, I must pay for maintenance of my mailbox when the carrier overstuffs the box and knocks the slot door off its hinge.

The USPS is just another bloated government entity held hostage by porcine union thugs.

60 posted on 08/05/2011 6:27:59 PM PDT by NautiNurse (TSA Tit for Tat--Yukari Mihamae--thank you!)
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To: NautiNurse
SLOT? YOU GOT A SLOT?

That's the FIRST heavily subsidized customer service I'd abolish (given the opportunity).

NO DOOR DELIVERY!

Talk about something antiquated ~ everybody else gets a kiosk, or a box on the street.

I think you are just another one of those whiners everyone despises.

61 posted on 08/05/2011 6:34:59 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ClearCase_guy

They owe the government money? So, they want the government to give them money? So they can pay the government what they owe the government?


Why not? it worked for GM.


62 posted on 08/05/2011 6:40:03 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: muawiyah
What are you ingesting tonight that makes you scream the way you do? Or are you just going postal?

Why do you assume my mailbox slot is not at the street? You really aren't based in reality if you think door delivery is inappropriate for packages.

63 posted on 08/05/2011 6:41:42 PM PDT by NautiNurse (TSA Tit for Tat--Yukari Mihamae--thank you!)
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To: NautiNurse
So, where do you get your mail delivered and what does the device look like?

BTW, I'm not screaming ~ I'm merely delivering appropriate responses to complainers who would otherwise demand the postal workers' heads for telling you the truth.

Don't complain. Get into line. Ask questions politely. And you might get an answer.

Being a retiree I don't have to be nice anymore. Capice?

64 posted on 08/05/2011 6:45:23 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Big Giant Head; All
In all fairness the post office is like the buggy whip. I rarely get any mail nowadays or 1 or 2 pieces of mail most of the time..

I think they should reduce mail service to just 2 or 3 days a week..
65 posted on 08/05/2011 6:55:09 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Radical Islam is a bigger threat than the LDS)
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To: ichabod1

Please - don’t give them any ideas!


66 posted on 08/05/2011 7:34:01 PM PDT by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: KevinDavis

I’ll bet you don’t understand how much medicine is delivered these days. HOme shopping on the internet is growing, not declining.

“Junk” mail isn’t called junk by the businesses that are paying big bucks to have it mailed. They’re trying to keep in business. I thought we Freepers were all for free-market, free enterprise. Why does everyone like to bash local companies for trying to advertise?


67 posted on 08/06/2011 3:21:34 AM PDT by Big Giant Head (Two years no AV, no viruses, computer runs great!)
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