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A THIRD night of violence kicks off in London as police consider banning Notting Hill carnival
Daily Mail ^

Posted on 08/08/2011 10:57:43 AM PDT by UKrepublican

Violence erupted in broad daylight this afternoon as rioters surrounded police vans, looted lorries and targeted shops in a series of attacks across London.

Scores of police raced to Hackney as a mob of hooded youths began hurling missiles at the officers. There was also sporadic violence in nearby Dalston where shops and businesses were attacked and youths clashed with police and set fire to cars outside Lewisham Town Hall.

Other areas of London were braced for violence as shops closed early in Peckham, Stratford and Islington and barriers were erected outside Westfield Shopping Centre. Kilburn High Street has also been closed off.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: london; riots
The violence is spreading across the city.........these aren't 'race riots' as some are suggesting, it is opportunist youngsters and gangs exploiting the situation and using social networking to organize raids on stores and cause trouble.........it does seem to be more black youths involved, but this is more to do with the demographics of the areas.....read into that what you may!

I am due to travel into London on business tomorrow.......getting pretty nervous!

If you search the tag #londonriots on twitter you get some clear first hand accounts.....the TV media has been woefully poor in reporting on this.

1 posted on 08/08/2011 10:57:48 AM PDT by UKrepublican
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To: UKrepublican

Enoch was right!


2 posted on 08/08/2011 10:58:32 AM PDT by DwFry (Baby Boomers Killed Western Civilization!)
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To: UKrepublican

The brit papers are already carrying plenty of comments from witnesses who are getting fed up with the coppers’ timidity.

Just like the Battle of Seattle and other riots the lowlifes can smell weakness and take advantage.

If you’ve got a timid, “social-worker-with-a-badge”, politically-correct police force you are guaranteed rioting, excuse me, “urban unrest”.


3 posted on 08/08/2011 11:02:22 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: UKrepublican

The police are being way too nice to the looters and thugs. It is time to start shooting looters and maiming the rioters.

Take some of the early looters out and let them bleed out in the street and the rest will back down. Tough times calls
for tough love.


4 posted on 08/08/2011 11:02:46 AM PDT by soycd
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To: DwFry

There is a new element, cropping up recently.

I have read that in recent riots, cell-phone pix of looters are going viral and people are being identified, named and shamed—outside of the system—and are suffering probably life-long consequences.


5 posted on 08/08/2011 11:04:51 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: UKrepublican
A unarmed society is a soft target.
6 posted on 08/08/2011 11:06:00 AM PDT by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: DwFry
Enoch was right!

Damn right he was right. Great Britain has been just as stupid and foolish with their immigration policy as the U.S. And in a strange sense they are worse because they had the U.S. as an example of what NOT to do. Also Great Britain had or still has a much larger and more generous public sector. Those who moved to Great Britain from the 3rd World immediately became a drain on this public sector. It was at this time (1960's) when those in power in Great Britain should have realized that this whole multicultural thing wasn't gonna work.
7 posted on 08/08/2011 11:06:35 AM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: UKrepublican
.........it does seem to be more black youths involved, but this is more to do with the demographics of the areas..<.........it does seem to be more black youths involved, but this is more to do with the demographics of the areas..

The media keeping mentioning "Jamaican gangsters", but what they refuse to mention, and what many of us know, is that there are just as many as Turkish Muslims in this area, and they are deeply involved in these riots.

8 posted on 08/08/2011 11:06:51 AM PDT by montag813
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To: montag813
there are just as many as Turkish Muslims in this area

Not really. Turks and Kurds tend to go to Germany.

Vast majority of Muslims in UK are South Asians: Pakistanis, Indians and Bengalis. For obvious reasons, most Muslims in UK are from the former empire.

The somewhat derogatory term for UK Muslims is "Pakis."

9 posted on 08/08/2011 11:13:10 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: montag813

Yes very true......these people do make me laugh, I am 24 and so quite in touch with this sort of generation. The sort of good muslims that drink alcohol and and cause all sorts of trouble........


10 posted on 08/08/2011 11:13:10 AM PDT by UKrepublican
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To: UKrepublican
Chickens . . . coming home . . .

And coming soon to a neighborhood near you.

11 posted on 08/08/2011 11:13:59 AM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: UKrepublican
Chickens . . . coming home . . .

And coming soon to a neighborhood near you.

12 posted on 08/08/2011 11:13:59 AM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: sinanju

I don’t believe a word of that; in a country with a camera on every corner, the looters I’ve seen have done the right thing by covering or partially covering their faces with t-shirts, bandanas, whatever. And of course, the simplest way to put a halt to all this would be for the gov’t to order that anyone rioting with their face covered up would be liable for summary execution on the spot. But....the gov’t won’t do that.


13 posted on 08/08/2011 11:14:37 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: Sherman Logan
Not really. Turks and Kurds tend to go to Germany.

Generally, yes. But this area of London has the largest single collection of Turkish immigrants (legal and illegal) in the UK.

14 posted on 08/08/2011 11:15:53 AM PDT by montag813
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To: soycd

you seriously don’t get it; the Brit gov’t supports the rioters which is why the cops go light on them. See, the only population the Brit gov’t worries about is the Anglo-Brit population, i.e., the indiginous population. So...they go light on the Jamaicans as a warning to the Anglo’s that “if they come for you, you’re on your own”. So the Anglo-Brit population cowers in fear and loathing with full knowledge that if they get out of hand, the Gov’t will unleash the Jamaicans on them and then support the Jamaicans by killing the Anglo-Brits. This is an old commie trick for manipulating ethnic group hatred to the gov’ts advantage.


15 posted on 08/08/2011 11:22:26 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: montag813

Really. I defer to your more specific knowledge.

From what I understand, Turks in Europe have to date been less involved in these types of riots than Algerians, Moroccans, Pakis, etc. That could of course be changing.


16 posted on 08/08/2011 11:29:51 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: UKrepublican

I’m assuming you’re traveling on business or for pleasure? Then you are probably going to safe neighborhoods and/or the West End and City of London. I’m sure you’ll be fine! Have fun! It’s a great city.


17 posted on 08/08/2011 11:30:35 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Casey Anthony is guilty as hell)
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To: UKrepublican

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJIZbhcti0k

London calling to the faraway towns
Now that war is declared-and battle come down
London calling to the underworld
Come out of the cupboard, all you boys and girls
London calling, now don’t look at us
All that phoney Beatlemania has bitten the dust
London calling, see we ain’t got no swing
‘Cept for the ring of that truncheon thing

CHORUS
The ice age is coming, the sun is zooming in
Engines stop running and the wheat is growing thin
A nuclear error, but I have no fear
London is drowning-and I live by the river

London calling to the imitation zone
Forget it, brother, an’ go it alone
London calling upon the zombies of death
Quit holding out-and draw another breath
London calling-and I don’t wanna shout
But when we were talking-I saw you nodding out
London calling, see we ain’t got no highs
Except for that one with the yellowy eyes

CHORUS

Now get this
London calling, yeah, I was there, too
An’ you know what they said? Well, some of it was true!
London calling at the top of the dial
After all this, won’t you give me a smile?

I never felt so much a’ like


18 posted on 08/08/2011 11:31:17 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

It is turning into Clash song in this story all I seeing riot and cops can’t do anything seem like it


19 posted on 08/08/2011 11:33:50 AM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: miss marmelstein

It’s business...I live in a town about 20 miles north of London.......but actually it is to inspect some property developments my company does work on........and unfortunately they are in some rather horrible places that look horrific on your average day let alone when there’s riots going on!

But I figure it should be ok during the day!


20 posted on 08/08/2011 11:44:09 AM PDT by UKrepublican
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To: UKrepublican

Your cops need to kill them all and not bother with sorting. People don’t have a right to behave like this and there is no reason for cops to risk their wellbeing trying arrest them.


21 posted on 08/08/2011 11:46:42 AM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Sherman Logan

You are actually right on that, Turkish muslims are far more integrated into society.....however the younger generation especially in these areas of London cause a lot of trouble.


22 posted on 08/08/2011 11:46:42 AM PDT by UKrepublican
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To: UKrepublican

I’m sure you’ll be fine; but keep in touch with your friends at FR!


23 posted on 08/08/2011 11:48:06 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Casey Anthony is guilty as hell)
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To: DwFry

24 posted on 08/08/2011 11:50:04 AM PDT by UKrepublican
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To: miss marmelstein

Thanks, I shall do!


25 posted on 08/08/2011 11:57:33 AM PDT by UKrepublican
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To: UKrepublican
I'm sure gangbangers/Holder's people in the U.S. are jealous of all of the "fun" that the rioters in the UK are having. They're just waiting for the opportunity to do some rioting of their own.
26 posted on 08/08/2011 12:00:20 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason (“I must confess, when I see anyone with an Obama 2012 bumper sticker, I recognize them as a threat")
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To: UKrepublican

London used to be such a wonderful city. I would walk for hours exploring the city. It was fabulous. But then this was twenty years ago.


27 posted on 08/08/2011 12:03:50 PM PDT by Taylor42
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To: Major Matt Mason

Yes it is worrying how a mob mentality can escalate out of control before you know it.


28 posted on 08/08/2011 12:04:46 PM PDT by UKrepublican
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To: Taylor42

It still is......London is huge but like any big city it has got its ‘areas’.


29 posted on 08/08/2011 12:09:08 PM PDT by UKrepublican
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To: SevenofNine

Yup.

How’s that whole ‘no guns for the law-abiding’ thing working out, again? :P


30 posted on 08/08/2011 12:14:32 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: montag813

I have seen photos of whole crowds of white kids who are clearly with the anarchist “anti-globalization” bunch, joyfully participating in the riots, setting up barricades, smashing windows and kicking in doors at McDonalds and trotting around with armsful of goods from stores that they looted.

It obviously started in the black areas, but as usual, the white leftist “youth” crowd has joined in. The same thing happened during the Oakland riots here a few months ago.


31 posted on 08/08/2011 12:15:21 PM PDT by livius
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To: Spktyr

I’ve been referencing a lot of Clash songs recently, even this one from Big Audio Dynamite:

From “The Bottom Line”

A dance to the tune of economic decline
Is when you do the bottom line
Nagging questions always remain
Why did it happen and who was to blame?


32 posted on 08/08/2011 12:19:46 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: UKrepublican

England Swings like a Pendulum do...


33 posted on 08/08/2011 12:20:55 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SevenofNine

If it gets much worse, it’s going to be a Sex Pistols song - Anarchy In The UK.


34 posted on 08/08/2011 12:32:03 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: dfwgator

Winchester Cathedral, your bring me down....


35 posted on 08/08/2011 12:32:37 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: dfwgator

Yah... I think we’re going to have to start delving into the Sex Pistols’ catalog soon as it gets worse, though.


36 posted on 08/08/2011 12:34:17 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: UKrepublican

Had a quick chat with a friend who lives in the Walworth area. Genius that he is, decided to take a quick stroll to see what the business are doing. Everything is basically closed, most boarded up. Not long after he got back they evidently hit Speedy Cash.


37 posted on 08/08/2011 12:44:04 PM PDT by NikkiB
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To: dfwgator

There’s trouble in Birmingham apparently......very strange it should spread.......clearly a coordinated effort to cause anarchy.


38 posted on 08/08/2011 12:49:26 PM PDT by UKrepublican
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To: Spktyr

There’s a rumble in Brighton tonight
Ringside seats for the neighborhood fight,
There ain’t a damn thing that the cops can do,
There’s a rumble in Brighton tonight.

-The Stray Cats


39 posted on 08/08/2011 12:53:28 PM PDT by dfwgator
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Night is falling and it's getting worse........there are fires being spread all over the place. The police need to step it up a gear, it's getting out of control.
40 posted on 08/08/2011 1:15:40 PM PDT by UKrepublican
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To: UKrepublican
LIVE London Riots
41 posted on 08/08/2011 1:19:39 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Spktyr

One of the Freeper mention on that another thread I think good ole Freeper is right


42 posted on 08/08/2011 1:34:10 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: UKrepublican

The police don’t have another gear to step up to in the UK. They don’t have nearly enough armed police and their own policies hamstring them.

On top of that, there’s the “Stop! or I shall yell Stop again! And blow my little whistle!” issue they have.


43 posted on 08/08/2011 1:38:36 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Well not entirely.....one of the routes of this violence was the police shooting someone dead lol.


44 posted on 08/08/2011 1:40:41 PM PDT by UKrepublican
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To: UKrepublican

I didn’t say they didn’t have any armed police. I said they didn’t have enough armed police.

And they make a big point of advertising that most cops aren’t armed with lethal weapons there. Hence, “stop or I shall shout and blow my whistle” still being an issue.


45 posted on 08/08/2011 1:51:16 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: UKrepublican
WSJ Wall Street Journal
RT @davidenrich: Police telling shops to close. This one closed its grates with people inside. #londonriots http://yfrog.com/kkbofvdj
9 minutes ago
46 posted on 08/08/2011 1:56:10 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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Mash His Cute Little Nose

We're Looking For a Little Yellow

Donate, monthly if possible

47 posted on 08/08/2011 2:55:52 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: UKrepublican

So you want to riot, eh? Fine, then the carnival is cancelled!

That’ll learn ‘em.


48 posted on 08/08/2011 3:17:37 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Part of the carnival is on fire anyway...


49 posted on 08/08/2011 6:37:20 PM PDT by HushTX (I make libs rage quit.)
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To: Spktyr

Exactly right.

Call in the Gurkha Regiment. Give them a simple order: “Clear the streets of the rioters and looters. Deadly force is authorized.”

Kick booty and get it done. Make sure you post photos of rioter and looter bodies on the BBC and Times.

The other rioters and looters will understand it isn’t a game. Arson and looting have real and fatal consequences. Deal with it.


50 posted on 08/09/2011 2:49:39 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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