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GOP Candidates Inflexibility On Tax Increases Shows They Are Out Of Touch With Americans
ABC News ^ | August 12, 2011 | by Mary Bruce

Posted on 08/12/2011 11:07:25 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Reacting to last night’s GOP presidential debate, the White House said today that the 2012 candidates proved themselves to be out of touch with Americans by saying they would refuse to accept tax increases as part of a debt deal.

In Ames, Iowa last night the candidates were asked if they would refuse to accept a budget deal with a 10-to-1 ratio of spending cuts to tax increases. All eight presidential contenders raised their hands.

“That’s clearly not where the American people are,” Principal Deputy Press Secretary Josh Earnest told reporters today. “That basically puts these candidates in a position of not even asking corporate jet owners to assume one-tenth of the burden that we’re asking college students to bear… that they would not even consider asking millionaires and billionaires to bear one-tenth of the burden that middle-class families would be asked to bear in a deficit reduction package.”

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: billionaires; classwarfare; corporatejets; cuts; election2012; govtspending; millionaires; taxes
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

What it proves is that the American people are on to Obama’s lies.

They know:
Tax increases will kill more jobs and prevent employers from expanding.
Tax Increases would not provide more Federal revenue.
Obama would pretend they add revenue and then spend those false revenues for more phoney gov’t programs, simply to buy votes.


21 posted on 08/12/2011 11:28:27 AM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
What these people cannot seem to understand is that there is not enough Tax money to satisfy all the spending along with the interest on the Debt that can be had.
We can tax all incomes above $25,000 100%, seize all retirement accounts and any others monies left out of all of wealth of this country that has been spent on redistribution for the last 50 years and it still would not be enough.
Once all of the last vestiges of wealth is spent, then what?
We have literally spent Trillions upon Trillions on Progressive Social Programs since Lyndon Johnson first put the Great Society on us in 1965 and we have really nothing to show for it.
We have allowed the Government and the Politicians to spend us dry and there isn't anything left.
We are truly on the verge on a Great Default. Nothing the Congress or Administration does now will divert this Catastrophe.
No one we elect next year and can stop what will happen.
All we can really hope for is that when all is said and done then we start over and try not to make the same mistakes.
Of course that is predicated on what type and kind of political system we will have and does this country survive intact or will we breakup and become Balkanized.
This truly may be the last real election and here we are with a group of candidates that have no clue or more to the point offer any truth to the reality of the situation.
22 posted on 08/12/2011 11:30:43 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

23 posted on 08/12/2011 11:31:21 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For those who fight for it, life has a flavor the sheltered will never know.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If I had been one of the candidates, I would have said, “Sure. Let’s have the 10 parts spending cuts immediately. As in now, not next budget year, but right now. Then we’ll have the 1 part tax increase promised over the next ten years, if future congresses don’t decide to do something else. And a new president in a year and a half doesn’t veto it. Oh, and most of the tax raises won’t start until about three years from now. Oh, and they won’t actually be tax increases, but smaller cuts than what I wanted to give them. So even though the rates will be less than they are now, it’s a tax raise, because the rates were going to be even less. In fact, I’ll go ahead and institute one tax increase now. The capital gains tax will increase from 15% currently to 5% beginning tomorrow. I say ‘increase’ because I wanted to make it 0%. So, that’s a 5% increase in the capital gains tax rate.”


24 posted on 08/12/2011 11:36:24 AM PDT by tnlibertarian (Don't mend SS, end it.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Republicans should call them on this now and offer 10 to 1. See how quick the naritive changes to they are trying to decimate the poor/children/elderly.


25 posted on 08/12/2011 11:38:43 AM PDT by pas
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I would tell the dems I absolutely agree to a 10:1 spending cut to tax increase— but you go first


26 posted on 08/12/2011 11:40:04 AM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Imagine, a “journOlist” from ABC telling us about who’s “out of touch”


27 posted on 08/12/2011 11:47:35 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Just when you think the left can't get any loonier . . .)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
“That basically puts these candidates in a position of not even asking corporate jet owners to assume one-tenth of the burden that we’re asking college students to bear… that they would not even consider asking millionaires and billionaires to bear one-tenth of the burden that middle-class families would be asked to bear in a deficit reduction package.”

The rhetoric has become surreal.

"Spending" in the tax code, subsidies as "investments", "revenue" for tax increases.

28 posted on 08/12/2011 11:52:36 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Despite the bleats of the left and of the MSM, most folks understand that while we could increase taxes, the economy is in such a state that increasing taxes wouldn’t increase revenue.


29 posted on 08/12/2011 11:58:25 AM PDT by jdege
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To: pas
I think there should be tax increases ... on the 51% who are disenfranchised from the tax system. Everyone should be allowed to prove their patriotism, not just the top 49%.
30 posted on 08/12/2011 12:16:09 PM PDT by JustSurrounded (Repeal it all.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

What americans? Those already not paying taxes and wanting more from Uncle Sugar?


31 posted on 08/12/2011 12:21:41 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Question for the Idiots at ABC TV ? Just who won the last Elections ? And Why did Americans Elect & Send these New Politicians to Washington ? To Raise Taxes and Expand Obama’s Agenda ? Sorry ABC , but we are just Not that Stupid out here .


32 posted on 08/12/2011 12:27:26 PM PDT by dbrew2u
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To: All; Oldeconomybuyer
“That basically puts these candidates in a position of not even asking corporate jet owners... millionaires and billionaires...”

They badly need new material at the downgrade White House. That corporate jet thing is their own stimulus program!

Unfortunately NO ONE last night in the debate said this about "cuts to taxes" deals: THE-CUTS-NEVER-HAPPEN.

33 posted on 08/12/2011 1:04:22 PM PDT by newzjunkey (I can't wait for the words "former president Barack Obama")
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
You must not have watched the debate.

Q: Or even 10 to one?

SANTORUM: No. The answer is no, because that’s not the problem. The problem is that we have spending that has exploded. Government has averaged 18 percent of GDP as — as a percentage of the overall economy that government eats up. And we’re now at almost 25 percent. Revenues are do

In another appearance this week a different candidate (Romney?) made the point more vividly by including all levels of government. State & local gov't add around $3 trillion more spending which puts all government sucking up over 40%, heading to 50% of GDP.

34 posted on 08/12/2011 1:24:17 PM PDT by newzjunkey (I can't wait for the words "former president Barack Obama")
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To: MileHi
The rhetoric has become surreal.

"Spending" in the tax code, subsidies as "investments", "revenue" for tax increases.

Amen. It's done only to create confusion. If Democrats were ever clear in language and on the level, support would vanish.

35 posted on 08/12/2011 1:28:18 PM PDT by newzjunkey (I can't wait for the words "former president Barack Obama")
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To: Opinionated Blowhard; newzjunkey
Part of that quote was cut off. The line was, "Revenues are down about 2 or 3 percent," with still more to the answer.

Debate full transcript

36 posted on 08/12/2011 1:31:33 PM PDT by newzjunkey (I can't wait for the words "former president Barack Obama")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The White House is out of touch
I am an AMERICAN. I want no increase in taxes nor growth of Government.
MOST Americans I personally know agree with that.


37 posted on 08/12/2011 1:59:26 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Reacting to last night’s GOP presidential debate, the White House said today that the 2012 candidates proved themselves to be out of touch with Americans

Don't they wish! The Democrats are out of touch; they cannot put together a meaningful budget; the socialists just borrow and spend and print money.

Dems do not understand the positive connection between lower taxes and more taxpayers and more revenue.

38 posted on 08/12/2011 2:08:53 PM PDT by olezip
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To: andy58-in-nh

An early indication of this type of thinking occurred during one of the presidential debates in 2008. Obama advocated an increase in the tax on capital gains. When told that a lowered rate actually increased revenues, Obama said that he would still increase rates since it was the “fair thing to do”. I thought at the time, “we are indeed going to be living in interesting times.”


40 posted on 08/12/2011 3:54:56 PM PDT by Patron92
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