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Posted on 08/13/2011 5:10:13 AM PDT by BobL
FWIW, I’ve appreciated the even handedness with which you have handled this thread. FR used to be a place for decent discussion but has devolved to sound bytes, talking points, and insults. Ok, I still love insults.
Anyway, GHWB was not a Conservative but conservatives wanted it to be so, so they imagined that he was. That led to disappointment.
Right now I’d take many RINOs over Obama and prefer RINOs to almost any Democrat. Trust me, that wasn’t what I was saying 3 years ago.
Perry isn’t a Conservative. Maybe a conservative, but right now I’ll settle for a decent guy that truly loves America, with politics I can mostly agree on.
“FWIW, I’ve appreciated the even handedness with which you have handled this thread. FR used to be a place for decent discussion but has devolved to sound bytes, talking points, and insults. Ok, I still love insults. Anyway, GHWB was not a Conservative but conservatives wanted it to be so, so they imagined that he was. That led to disappointment. Right now I’d take many RINOs over Obama and prefer RINOs to almost any Democrat. Trust me, that wasn’t what I was saying 3 years ago. Perry isn’t a Conservative. Maybe a conservative, but right now I’ll settle for a decent guy that truly loves America, with politics I can mostly agree on.”
Thanks. I’m also scared that Trump will jump in as an independent and we’ll have another non-conservative running as Republican...and when that happens, the conservatives, or at enough of them will jump over to Trump, projecting their wishes on him - of course the media will love it, and help the conservatives with their delusion...and then Obama (or Hillary) will walk into the White House in 2013.
That’s essentially what happened with Perot. Bush-41 simply could not hold the base and I’m not sure Perry can, given his quirks and weaknesses (with immigration being the biggest - Trump starts talking crackdown and it’s the Dem walks into the White House).
...and Trump started making noises again last week.
“To meet the criteria for instate tuition they would have had to come with their parents or be anchor babies. Personally, I wish they would have to pay some tuition to attend our public schools.”
I understand that. My point is that it’s the parents that are drawn here, at least to some extent, knowing that their kids will be treated as Texans. I certainly understand the humanitarian end of it, but if we will not, or can not, seal our border tight enough, we then have to fight the problem in the interior, state by state, if necessary. The issue for me is that Perry is not stepping up to it for Texas, while other governors are and this country cannot keep absorbing illegals at the present rate and survive.
“Mmm-hmm. Think sidewalk. It’s on something called an “easement.” That means it’s not the property of the homeowner even though it’s in front of their house and theirs to edge and mow around. “
LOL. I hope you don’t teach real estate there. A sidewalk is only an easement if it on YOUR property, but others have the right to use it because they need it to access something of their (like a pipeline) or they need a path to transit your property (for the case of where you block their access to a street).
As to the border - I agree that it is a federal job. But there are a number of things that can be done at the state level that are simply not being done here, and I simply have to believe that it’s because the governor doesn’t want them done. I use the term “open borders” to describe our governor, because I cannot imagine him cracking down on illegals at the federal level when he won’t do it at the state level. That simple.
Do you really think Mexicans are drawn here to get instate college tuition?
I haven't seen proof that "Perry is not stepping up to it for Texas, while other governors are." I have seen that he said that AZ law wouldn't work for TX...but he didn't say that it wasn't right for AZ.
I read somewhere that TX spent $80 million on border patrol in one recent year.
I don't know about you but I think if the Feds can mandate unfunded programs on states they should FIRST have to secure the border. It's a PRIMARY responsibility of the feds, not states, and I feel the same for NM, AZ, and CA.
Maybe when the interior states have to fight the problem the pressure will mount until the federal government will seal the borders.
I feel absolutely certain that Perry will not be behind ‘amnesty’. There is a large hispanic population here in Texas and I am sure there is a political angle to interpretations of his ‘stances’ on this and dealing with the muslim population here.
I don’t think he is a globalist. I believe he will take the nation’s security seriously. I, personally, have no argument w/ moderate muslims who want to be involved with the whole of a community, who integrate into society and reject the jihadist mentality. I do not want a leader who bows to them and kisses their butts.
” I discovered he has posted in every month in 2011 with thousands of posts on a variety of topics. So your above statement is not true. How did you come to that conclusion?”
BS! You better go back and check again skippy.
“Go on with yourself! You don’t think La Raza is just fine with Perry’s positions on illegal immigration?”
From doing some reading around, I kind of see it this way, Karto: La Raza looks at Perry as someone that they can tolerate. He won’t give them the Amnesty that they so badly want (at least they can’t count on it), but he won’t do anything to make life tougher here for illegals either. But a national Dream Act may come their way. He also won’t be serious about securing the border - he’s against the fence (their biggest fear) and will then say that we don’t have enough money to secure the border without a fence. So why try any harder?
For a Republican, Perry’s about the best they have running (who’s a serious contender), so they’ll do what they can to help him in the Primaries. When it comes to November, forget it, of course.
Thanks for the support. I have another, more deeply research, post that I’m putting together. If he tries that stunt again, I’ll post what he’s doing in caps and re-post my thread. I agree it’s a nasty way to campaign for someone.
Weird...that link went dead this morning. It was really good yesterday.
Anyway, I found another site that overall is pretty positive on Perry, but still (rightly) hits him on Smith:
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Rick_Perry#Purging_of_Supreme_Court_Justice_Steve_Smith
Anyone who cares about what kind of justices the next president will put on the court should be very skeptical of Perry. But some people just don’t pay attention.
Good post. Perry isn’t my first, second, or even third choice, but when it comes to running against Zero, it would be a no brainer of a choice. Primary season is all about this, debate and discuss the candidates you think is best. Perry has warts, as the OP posted, but overall, he is pro-life, pro-2nd amendment, and pro-business. There are better choices out there, but I won’t shed a tear if it comes down to him versus Obama.
“Anyone who cares about what kind of justices the next president will put on the court should be very skeptical of Perry. But some people just don’t pay attention.”
I completely agree. That is a really scary thing to see. In my opinion, if this country does break apart, it is ENTIRELY the fault of the Supreme Court...for not following the Constitution.
If we’re going to elect someone putting moderates there...it won’t really matter what party he’s from.
“Do you really think Mexicans are drawn here to get instate college tuition?”
Yes, relative to other states that make them pay out of pocket. I certainly would factor that in if I were raising a family and living illegally in another country. Maybe not a big factor, but a factor.
“I haven’t seen proof that “Perry is not stepping up to it for Texas, while other governors are.” I have seen that he said that AZ law wouldn’t work for TX...but he didn’t say that it wasn’t right for AZ.”
Did he say what parts of the AZ law he has a problem with...and whether he would have the same problems with federal law (as the AZ law is basically a duplication of federal). In other words, is he saying that he would work to neuter federal laws against illegal immigration? I think so...if you look at it that way.
“I read somewhere that TX spent $80 million on border patrol in one recent year.”
Sounds reasonably consistent with what I’ve heard. Better than nothing, but as I mentioned earlier, there are two parts to this issue, and the part that he does have control over, he’s done next to nothing.
“I don’t know about you but I think if the Feds can mandate unfunded programs on states they should FIRST have to secure the border. It’s a PRIMARY responsibility of the feds, not states, and I feel the same for NM, AZ, and CA.”
(see above answer)
“Maybe when the interior states have to fight the problem the pressure will mount until the federal government will seal the borders. “
That would sure help.
I guess we should wait until the democrats have demonized all of the Candidates that can beat Obama..
That seems to be very common-place on FR lately!
Beagule8U:
“Quite the posting history you (BobL) have, damn little for years except your recent vanities bashing Rick Perry.”
South40:
“Your post had me curious so I did a quick search of my own on BobL. I discovered he has posted in every month in 2011 with thousands of posts on a variety of topics. So your above statement is not true. How did you come to that conclusion?”
Beagule8U:
“BS! You better go back and check again skippy.”
Being that I’m the one being talked about, I think my posting history is much, much closer to South40’s description.
But I do have a question:
Have you Rick Perry supporters now degenerated to the level where you have to tell lies about specific bloggers on FreeRepublic? That’s not very nice you know and is probably in violation of FreeRepublic rules.
“I guess we should wait until the democrats have demonized all of the Candidates that can beat Obama..
That seems to be very common-place on FR lately!”
If you’re implying that the Dems need our help in demonizing Republicans, I’ve go bad new for you. Soros, the unions, and many others spend, probably, hundreds of millions of dollars per year to dig up stuff on Republicans. They really don’t need our help.
That was exactly my POINT, There is not a “Perfect Conservative Candidate”, the threads on FR lately have proved that Point.
I am not going to allow them to choose our Candidate.
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