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Far right questions Rick Perry on immigration
http://www.buffalonews.com/wire-feeds/24-hour-national-news/article519397.ece ^ | 8-11-2011 | Christopher Sherman

Posted on 08/13/2011 12:31:57 PM PDT by raybbr

McALLEN, Texas (AP) - For all of his rock-solid conservative credentials, Texas Gov. Rick Perry may have an Achilles' heel: immigration.

Perry will undoubtedly focus his presidential campaign on Texas' relatively healthy economy and its low taxes and his record in creating jobs in the 11 years he's been governor. What he may have to explain on the stump is how illegal immigrants have contributed to that success, adding as much as $17.7 billion a year to the state gross product and enjoying such benefits as in-state tuition at public universities.

"Gov. Perry is very eager to appear tough on illegal immigration, but upon closer inspection he's part of the problem," complained William Gheen, who runs the North Carolina-based political action committee Americans for Legal Immigration. The group intends to educate conservative groups about candidates' positions on that issue.

Tea party criticism about Perry's immigration record is now appearing on activist blogs in Arizona and New Hampshire.

A 2006 state report said that the state's illegal immigrants - 1.4 million then, 1.65 million now - added $17.7 billion to the gross state product, and that the state came out ahead on taxes it collected versus services it provided. But local governments and county hospitals were shouldering the burden of caring for that population.

The Texas Association of Business, which has backed Perry in all his gubernatorial campaigns and has members who individually have provided Perry with hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign cash, touted that report in its firm support of comprehensive immigration reform. TAB, the state's chamber of commerce, has lobbied for immigration reform and against state legislation regulating immigration.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
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I guess I'm from the "far right" because I question Perry on this issue too.

He was a democrat - he's been pro illegal in the past - he's got the support of the pro illegal republicans in Texas.

I am way too leery of a politician who grew up in a border state. They are pre disposed to be sympathetic to illegal aliens. Yes, there are exceptions like Brewer but I don't trust Perry.

Unless I see some concrete evidence to the contrary he will not get my support in a primary.

1 posted on 08/13/2011 12:32:00 PM PDT by raybbr
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To: raybbr

Don’t be so sure you’re far right. The first thread I saw this morning suggested that anyone who asked such questions was probably an under cover “pinko”. LOL

Obviously team Perry is figuring out that St Rick has problems.


2 posted on 08/13/2011 12:37:26 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: raybbr

Not trying to pick a fight — And not sure how you line up with Reagan, but...

“As president of the Screen Actors Guild, Reagan became embroiled in disputes over the issue of Communism in the film industry; his political views shifted from liberal to conservative.”

I think the rest is history!!!


3 posted on 08/13/2011 12:38:11 PM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: raybbr

here we go

the first mission of the democrat machine and their MEdia operatives is to persuade Republicans and conservatives to not vote for Rick Perry


4 posted on 08/13/2011 12:40:01 PM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: raybbr

I also guestion the FAR LEFT’S plan to give “amnesty” to the millions of socialist ‘RAT voters they allow to sneak into America each year.


5 posted on 08/13/2011 12:40:01 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Americans need to wean their government off of its dependence on foreign money.)
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To: areukiddingme1

Reagan’s mistakes aren’t the best reason to vote for someone. My preferred candidate was also a democrat once.


6 posted on 08/13/2011 12:40:47 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: raybbr

I guess that makes me a “Far-Right” extremist as well.

I’ve question GWB, and McCain on it as well.

Oh well, it is a label I will wear proudly!


7 posted on 08/13/2011 12:43:13 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: raybbr

When a story starts out with a bald face lie, why read any further, rock solid conservative my butt.


8 posted on 08/13/2011 12:43:34 PM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: cripplecreek

Understood, however, given the current state of affairs in this country, and given we only get one shot at defeating the Marxist in chief, I’ll stick with the veteran that may have been on the wrong side an issue, but has clearly seen his error in judgement and adjusted his views, exactly like Reagan.


9 posted on 08/13/2011 12:44:28 PM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: silverleaf
the first mission of the democrat machine and their MEdia operatives is to persuade Republicans and conservatives to not vote for Rick Perry

Tokyo Rose school of propaganda twist.

Some people don't need media operatives to understand Perry has pandered to and aided and abetted violent, open borders polices. It's no secret to the media or conservatives.

10 posted on 08/13/2011 12:44:48 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: areukiddingme1

Mr Reagan is no longer with us, so leave him out.


11 posted on 08/13/2011 12:45:57 PM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: raybbr

Here we go again.

I really dislike the border bots feeling like they own the conservative terrain on this.

Reagan signed amnesty and his is the revered icon of conservatism. Bush and Perry have done and said far less but they will be tarred and feathered on this.

I still do not believe giving the Democrats the House and Senate in 2006 was worth all this.

Honestly, which of the Republican candidates will be more strict than Perry? Will Perry be better than Obama?

I think the answers are fairly clear and yet there will be much internal bloodletting on this.


12 posted on 08/13/2011 12:46:10 PM PDT by lonestar67 (I remember when unemployment was 4.7 percent)
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To: dragnet2

So, I guess obama has your vote!

Good luck with that


13 posted on 08/13/2011 12:46:21 PM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: areukiddingme1

You’re assuming that invoking the name Reagan has some kind of magical properties.

It doesn’t. He was a great man but he was still a mortal who made mistakes. Had “his amnesty” worked as intended, it would have meant a limited number and real security.


14 posted on 08/13/2011 12:47:39 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: areukiddingme1
Reagan was never a Marxist. He was a Democrat back in the days when most of that party were still patriots.

Comparing Perry, a hack career politician who has learned to parrot conservative slogans to get votes, while pandering to La Raza and CAIR, is downright blasphemous.

15 posted on 08/13/2011 12:50:19 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: areukiddingme1
And, to the chagrin of many gave amnesty to 2.5 million illegals.

I don't think Perry would do that.

16 posted on 08/13/2011 12:51:32 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: hellbender
Beware the wolf in sheep's clothing.

Phoney hispanic "republican" front for amnesty says Rick Perry is the number one hispanic friendly US politician of 2010 elections.

Governor Rick Perry is #1 Hispanic-friendly U.S. Politician of 2010 Elections

Phoney hispanic "republican" front group encourages the GOP to use the "un American" tea partiers and then toss us aside.

How Un-American is the TEA PARTY

Are they so “irrational” and merely a self-centered group revolutionary geezers that do not hold American ideal and thus attack our American values—Democracy, Capitalism and Constitutionalism. Strategically, it seems like the right thing to do for Republican to utilize the Tea Party to diminish Obama’s agenda. But it is also time for Republicans that realize that this people merely using the flag colors as facade to promote un-American agenda . While they do have the right to dissent, sadly, their agenda pushed by special interest in Sacramento and D.C. do not embody the original best American values.
17 posted on 08/13/2011 12:52:16 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: cripplecreek

No, I’m not assuming anything...I’m stating a simple fact.

Reagan was once a liberal and became a Conservative — People can change and do the right thing. That is my point.

I personally don’t want to get stuck with obambi for four more years — I fear for my nation, I fear for the military, I fear for my children and grand children and Rich Perry is the best candidate to defeat this Marxist POS.

People said the same thing in 1968 about Reagan, thank God they gave him a chance 11 years later.


18 posted on 08/13/2011 12:54:30 PM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: hellbender

Mr. Perry seems to have a lot of tricky defenders.


19 posted on 08/13/2011 12:55:02 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: lonestar67
Reagan signed amnesty and his is the revered icon of conservatism. Bush and Perry have done and said far less but they will be tarred and feathered on this

Reagan had "Operation Wetback" as a guideline and saw it didn't work so he tried something different. Bush and Perry knew from Reagan's experience that it wouldn't work and did it anyway.

We don't need another Jorge Bush or Juan McCain.

20 posted on 08/13/2011 12:55:44 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: areukiddingme1

Keep saying “Reagan” if you want, its meaningless today.


21 posted on 08/13/2011 12:56:09 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: raybbr

Notice the McAllen Texas posting.
I read the article and am trying to figure out why the Buffalo NY paper carries an AP story that I see has not basis for carrying the McAllen posting. Thas my neck of the woods and I don’t like Perry, but I like even less someone using the valley as his firing base when they don’t know poop from papas down here. A false location for a hit shot.
Dos linguas for dos votos!


22 posted on 08/13/2011 12:56:32 PM PDT by Bibman (DC politicians are all "Financial Pedophile's")
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23 posted on 08/13/2011 12:57:37 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: raybbr
...how illegal immigrants have contributed to that success, adding as much as $17.7 billion a year to the state gross product...

Now, how do you suppose this completely UNBIASED rag came up with that figure? Did they deduct the billions LOST that go into supporting the illegals? How about the losses due to crime? I sort of doubt it.
24 posted on 08/13/2011 12:58:00 PM PDT by Zarro (Jail Congress)
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To: cripplecreek

This hangs over Perry’s head like Romneycare hangs over Romney. It is enough to disqualify both for me. SEAL THE BORDER, kick the illegal invaders OUT and off our social programs.


25 posted on 08/13/2011 12:58:43 PM PDT by GailA (Any congress critter who fails to keep faith with the Military, will NOT keep faith with YOU!)
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To: cradle of freedom
Mr. Perry seems to have a lot of tricky defenders.

Not that tricky. Most of the strategies are retread Obama strategies. Control the message, don't speak to the media, accuse all opposition...
26 posted on 08/13/2011 12:59:25 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: wolfcreek

Perry is giving amnesty to many more by slyly looking the other way. Why are there 1,000 illegal alien babies being born in Parkland Hospital every month? Where are they getting the money? From the federal government, no doubt? And who is working dilligently to get OUR money to Parkland Hosptial to subsidize all of those births by illegal mothers? There is such a stink about this.


27 posted on 08/13/2011 12:59:25 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: GailA

I have crossed Perry, Romney, Ron Paul and Pawlenty off my list. No need to bother with them anymore. Although, despite his excentricities I do give Ron Paul a lot of credit for bringing up the Federal Reserve. I hope that there will be a coninued debate about it.


28 posted on 08/13/2011 1:02:25 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: areukiddingme1
I’ll stick with the veteran that may have been on the wrong side an issue, but has clearly seen his error in judgement and adjusted his views...

Yeah, and that's how you end up with someone supposedly on your own side trying to cram Harriet Myers, Dubai Ports, and Amnesty down your throat.

Please stop smearing the name of Ronald Reagan by equating his missteps with those of a slimy opportunist like Rick Perry.

29 posted on 08/13/2011 1:03:27 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. -- G.K. Chesterton)
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To: raybbr
This is what we see here in Texas. Don't know if it's enough for the hard-core out there.

http://governor.state.tx.us/initiatives/border/P10/

This along with the signing of a Voter ID law and a requirement for proof of citizenship to obtain a TX DL.

(an anti-sanctuary cities bill didn't pass due to lack of votes although the governor made it a high priority issue)

To say he's pro-illegal is being disingenuous.

30 posted on 08/13/2011 1:03:46 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: silverleaf
So, I guess obama has your vote!

You guessed wrong.

Same political BS over and over and over.

It boils down to...We've chosen our guy who aids and abets destructive, open borders policies, while forcing tax payers to foot the bill...Why, if you don't vote for our guy, you must be a commie supporter..

Thanks for the humor, but I've seen and heard all this BS before.

31 posted on 08/13/2011 1:04:05 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: areukiddingme1

McCain was a veteran too. So was John Murtha.


32 posted on 08/13/2011 1:04:34 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

Or what????


33 posted on 08/13/2011 1:04:36 PM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: cradle of freedom

What is your point?


34 posted on 08/13/2011 1:05:56 PM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: raybbr

If Perry signed a pledge agreeing to NEVER sign amnesty legislation as POTUS... AND to seal the Mezzican border with
US Army units..... then and only then would I vote for him.

Otherwise..... I say.. Adios Mofo! to Rick Perry.

He could have muscled through the “sanctuary city” bill, that was in the legislative special session, but instead he caved to big Texas Republican Party donors, like Charles Butts of HEB Food stores, who want open borders.

Big business in Texas likes the taxpayers here subsidizing the education and health care costs for all their illegal slime employees.

Because when owning two mansions is just not enough, you
have to employ a bunch of cheap labor illegals so that you
can have three and a yacht too.

By the way... google “Adios Mofo!”. It’s pretty funny.


35 posted on 08/13/2011 1:07:51 PM PDT by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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To: areukiddingme1

Or you will continue to look ridiculous.


36 posted on 08/13/2011 1:08:12 PM PDT by beandog
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To: raybbr

I definitely won’t vote for Perry. Not only is he pro-amnesty but he’s a liar for saying that he’s trying to stop illegals and the problem is all the federal government’s fault. Perry is inviting illegals over by giving them all kinds of benefits and refusing to enforce the immigration laws. Remove the incentive, make life living hell for the illegals and most of them won’t come.


37 posted on 08/13/2011 1:08:30 PM PDT by Siegfried X
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To: cripplecreek

You mean EXACTLY what the anti-Perry crowd does? (add thread hijacking to the list)

Think about it.


38 posted on 08/13/2011 1:09:23 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: wolfcreek
To say he's pro-illegal is being disingenuous.

Stick head deeper in sand.

In 2001, Texas under Perry, became the first state in the country to pass an in-state tuition law for illegal aliens. The law created a national movement.

Texas became the first state to pass an in-state tuition law for illegals

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Study: 70% of Texas’ illegal immigrant families receive welfare

In Texas, 54 percent of legal immigrants and 70 percent of illegal immigrants receive welfare assistance

Texas showed 61 percent of households headed by an immigrant utilizing at least one program compared to the 42 percent of Texas natives on welfare.

Study: 70% of Texas’ illegal immigrant families receive welfare

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If this isn’t enough, there are about 1000 anchor babies per month being churned out at Dallas Parkland Hospital...That is just one hospital in Texas, every month.

In Parkland Memorial Hospital Dallas, the second busiest maternity ward in the United States, 70% of the women giving birth were illegal aliens.

That added up to 11,200 babies for which Medicaid kicked in 34.5 million dollars to deliver these babies, the feds another 9.5 million and Dallas taxpayers tossed in 31.3 million. The average illegal patient is 25 years and giving birth to her second anchor baby.

Dallas Parkland Hospital 70% of the women giving birth were illegal aliens. Almost 1000 per month

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Rick Perry's Texas jobs boom: The whole story

Texas leads the nation in minimum-wage jobs, and many positions don't offer health benefits. Also, steep budget cuts are expected to result in the loss of more than 100,000 jobs.

Many of the positions that have been created are on the lower end of the pay scale. Some 550,000 workers last year were paid at or below the federal minimum wage of $7.25, more than double the number making those wages in 2008, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

That's 9.5% of the Texas workforce, which gives it the highest percentage of minimum-wage workers in the nation -- a dubious title it shares with Mississippi.

Perry signed a budget in May that slashes $15 billion in government spending over the next two years. Also, the federal stimulus funds that poured into the state since 2009 have largely dried up…The state budget cuts alone could result in the loss of more than 100,000 jobs, many of them in the public sector

Rick Perry's Texas jobs boom: The whole story

39 posted on 08/13/2011 1:09:38 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: beandog

That is one opinion...noted.


40 posted on 08/13/2011 1:10:06 PM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: raybbr
As an “Extremely Right Wing Extremist”... I question Perry on this and other issues.

LLS

41 posted on 08/13/2011 1:10:06 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: cradle of freedom

Immigration is just one of his problems. I can neither confirm nor deny but some say he’s willing to allow some exceptions to his opposition to abortion. You’d have to find out for yourself. It came up in this thread last night.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2762881/posts


42 posted on 08/13/2011 1:10:40 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: cripplecreek

I like your nick for him... that there is plenty funny!

LLS


43 posted on 08/13/2011 1:11:06 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: LibLieSlayer

St Rick, the patron saint of border jumpers.


44 posted on 08/13/2011 1:12:12 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: raybbr

Perry is the same as Obama about illegals. Both of them claim they are enforcing the laws, but all they mean is if an illegal commits a serious felony then they will be deported.


45 posted on 08/13/2011 1:13:04 PM PDT by Siegfried X
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To: cripplecreek

So cripplecreek, who is your candidate then. Who are you supporting that can defeat the Maxist?


46 posted on 08/13/2011 1:15:38 PM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: areukiddingme1
Or what????

Or you'll make yourself look like more of a horse's donkey than you already have.

47 posted on 08/13/2011 1:17:07 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. -- G.K. Chesterton)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

That was clever...


48 posted on 08/13/2011 1:18:18 PM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: areukiddingme1

I like Bachmann but if forced to vote for an establishment candidate, I could vote for Santorum without wincing too much.


49 posted on 08/13/2011 1:20:50 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: raybbr

A man can be judged by the company he keeps. Perry was convinced to move from the Democratic Party to Republican by establishment RINO Karl Rove.


50 posted on 08/13/2011 1:23:01 PM PDT by Siegfried X
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