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Far right questions Rick Perry on immigration
http://www.buffalonews.com/wire-feeds/24-hour-national-news/article519397.ece ^ | 8-11-2011 | Christopher Sherman

Posted on 08/13/2011 12:31:57 PM PDT by raybbr

McALLEN, Texas (AP) - For all of his rock-solid conservative credentials, Texas Gov. Rick Perry may have an Achilles' heel: immigration.

Perry will undoubtedly focus his presidential campaign on Texas' relatively healthy economy and its low taxes and his record in creating jobs in the 11 years he's been governor. What he may have to explain on the stump is how illegal immigrants have contributed to that success, adding as much as $17.7 billion a year to the state gross product and enjoying such benefits as in-state tuition at public universities.

"Gov. Perry is very eager to appear tough on illegal immigration, but upon closer inspection he's part of the problem," complained William Gheen, who runs the North Carolina-based political action committee Americans for Legal Immigration. The group intends to educate conservative groups about candidates' positions on that issue.

Tea party criticism about Perry's immigration record is now appearing on activist blogs in Arizona and New Hampshire.

A 2006 state report said that the state's illegal immigrants - 1.4 million then, 1.65 million now - added $17.7 billion to the gross state product, and that the state came out ahead on taxes it collected versus services it provided. But local governments and county hospitals were shouldering the burden of caring for that population.

The Texas Association of Business, which has backed Perry in all his gubernatorial campaigns and has members who individually have provided Perry with hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign cash, touted that report in its firm support of comprehensive immigration reform. TAB, the state's chamber of commerce, has lobbied for immigration reform and against state legislation regulating immigration.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; bordersecurity; formerdemocratperry; hucklebytwo; illegals; immigration; openborders; perry2012; perryrecord; rino; sourcetitlenoturl; teaparty
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
We have to stop accepting half conservative/half liberals the way we have since Bush Sr. George W. Bush, John McCain, Rick Perry and many others are half conservative/half liberal, in other words they are in a state of ideological confusion or they are playing games with us. In either case we do not need them. The nation is going through a purge of FDR liberalism which has dominated the country for 70 years. Hallelujah, the people are starting to get it and we have to push forward to bring the country to the right of center again. For 70 years we have been pushed way over to the left side of the line and we have to make an extra effort to bring the country back to its original beliefs. We are on the offense now, so we do not have to waste or time on confused apologists for the FDR, LBJ view of government.
51 posted on 08/13/2011 1:23:05 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: dragnet2

Is it tough being a parrot or does it come naturally?

I live 15 miles from Austin, TX. I’ve heard these attacks on Perry for years. (from both sides)

I could sit here in refute (or agree with) all these issues but, just check my in forum responses if you really want to know.


52 posted on 08/13/2011 1:24:24 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: cripplecreek

I like both of those candidates. They are great American’s, I just don’t think they can beat the Maxist. IMO.


53 posted on 08/13/2011 1:25:35 PM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: areukiddingme1
The point is that being a veteran isn't enough and that the plus of being a veteran can be negated by other minuses such as being clueless as to what is best for the country.
54 posted on 08/13/2011 1:26:36 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: areukiddingme1
“I didn't leave the democrat party... they left me”.

Ronald Reagan

Since Reagan left the democrat party in 1962... and Perry only left the democrat party in 1990... that means that Perry was a member of the democrat party AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL STARTING IN 1985... and he served in public office as a democrat up until he switched parties in 1990... 28 years after Reagan found it so leftist and immoral that he had to divorce himself of it. That is correct... Perry embraced the democrat party long after Reagan declared it evil. HE should have listened to Ronald Reagan to begin with... so any claim comparing Perry's epiphany to Reagan's epiphany must be measured against the above facts.

LLS

55 posted on 08/13/2011 1:28:45 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: raybbr

LOL

It’s a vast far right conspiracy against the media’s chosen Republican


56 posted on 08/13/2011 1:32:46 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: org.whodat

Reagan is the defacto standard of Conservatism and as such... he belongs to all American Conservatives... not just you.

LLS


57 posted on 08/13/2011 1:34:06 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: lonestar67
Reagan signed amnesty and his is the revered icon of conservatism. Bush and Perry have done and said far less but they will be tarred and feathered on this.

As others have posted to you - that was thirty years ago and represented about a million illegals. We are talking tens of millions now.

Honestly, which of the Republican candidates will be more strict than Perry?

There was Tom Tancred and Duncan Hunter but the likes of you couldn't bring yourselves to support them - they were too far right.

58 posted on 08/13/2011 1:34:30 PM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: Siegfried X
Isn't it kind of like Clinton—”It all depends on what the meaning of ‘is’ is.” Perry, Obama and Clinton are just too tricky for my taste. Dishonest politicians always play with words, they will say, for instance that they are going to “secure the border” or stop illegal immigration but they have totally different meanings in their minds that what they know people will understand it to mean. In other words, they are deliberately deceiving us. For instance. everybody now says that they want to “secure the border”. Big deal, that should have been done twenty years ago. But what they have up their sleeve is what they intend to do with the millions that are already over here. They do not intend to deport them by taking away the jobs and benefits. No they want “comprehensive immigration reform”. Another lie, all that means is amnesty with a few little tweaks here and there. The Democrats want them to stay, keep having babies and eventually get citizenship for them, so that they will, of course, vote Democrat. The faux Republicans want an unending sea of cheap labor with temporary work visas.
59 posted on 08/13/2011 1:38:23 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: LibLieSlayer

LLS, who is your candidate that can defeat the Maxist?


60 posted on 08/13/2011 1:38:55 PM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: LibLieSlayer

Never said he did, but the man is not here and this attributing this and that to him, because they have one of those magic 8 ball things gets a little old and tiring.


61 posted on 08/13/2011 1:39:14 PM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: lonestar67
NOT learning from Reagan's mistake of trusting kennedy and the rats on Amnesty as well as trusting tipp o'neill and the rat turds on tax increases in exchange for promised future spending cuts... is a major negative. We need to look no further than the recent debacle of boehner and the rinoids passing a bill built on the same misplaced trust of proved liars and thieves (dims). Reagan was not perfect... but he was a GREAT PRESIDENT... and repeating his mistakes is not the hallmark of a great leader. Reagan would never have passed a second Amnesty nor did he pass any further tax increases... because he learned from his mistakes... which I wish that I could say the same for many other republicans... many that presently hold office and many that are running for office today.

LLS

62 posted on 08/13/2011 1:42:14 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: areukiddingme1

“... I just don’t think they can beat the Maxist.”

What good is beating the [Democratic] “Marxist” with a Republican Marxist who will pass the same things?

Like RomneyCare. And Bush and the Republican congress passing the Medicare drug program and Ted Kennedy’s No Child Left Behind.

The reality is that most of the time we have two left-wing parties in this country and it doesn’t make any difference which one wins. They both pass the same “bipartisan” legislation.

Things only change on those rare occasions when conservatives temporarily take over the Republican Party (Reagan presidency, Gingrich speakership).

I’m not going to vote for a RINO who believes the same things as Obama in order to get rid of Obama. I voted third party conservative instead of McCain last election, and if an establishment Republican runs next year I’ll do the same.


63 posted on 08/13/2011 1:42:30 PM PDT by Siegfried X
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To: silverleaf

How hard can it be to convince conservatives not to vote for an open borders former democrat who has a long record of pushing socialist programs?

Fait accompli, as conservatives won’t vote for Al Gore’s former campaign manager no matter how you try to refurbish him.

All the Giuliani libertines will push him though.


64 posted on 08/13/2011 1:44:18 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: raybbr
BINGO!!!!! The rinos want a rino, who would have thought it, now all they need to do is stretch the brand new Acme costume over the rino, making him look like Mr Reagan, and they are home free, trouble is the damn horn keeps stick out.
65 posted on 08/13/2011 1:44:51 PM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: GailA

Thats kind of the rub. Business, tends to vote republican, who are on the side of controlling illegal immigration. But business likes cheap labor. What many of the left side of the issue, Hispanics etc, don’t sem to get it that illegal immigrant labor tends to depress wages in the nonskilled sector of the economy thereby making it a more difficult climb to the middle class. They also don’t seem to have any problem with young US born citizens having a more difficult time finding entry level employment out of high school. Young kids in college will for the most part vote for anybody that will give them a handout, tuition etc.

The problem lies with shutting down illegal immigration first so that the country can find a formula for dealing with those illegals already here including deportation, possible work only cards and taxing money sent out of the country. I definitely don’t want to see them given ammnesty and a easy path for citizenship. They have not earned it above those that play by the rules.


66 posted on 08/13/2011 1:48:31 PM PDT by Always Independent
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To: cripplecreek
But isn't the favorite worn out tired refrain of the Libtards and Liberal open borders cheap labor loving Republicans?!
67 posted on 08/13/2011 1:48:50 PM PDT by Ron H. (Loving my Deering Goodtime 2 Classic)
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To: Siegfried X

Rove and Perry had a falling out in the ‘90s. Still haven’t patched things up.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/59687.html


68 posted on 08/13/2011 1:50:34 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: org.whodat
BINGO!!!!! The rinos want a rino, who would have thought it, now all they need to do is stretch the brand new Acme costume over the rino, making him look like Mr Reagan, and they are home free, trouble is the damn horn keeps stick out.

Now that was just funny!
69 posted on 08/13/2011 1:51:18 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: LibLieSlayer

The other thing domestically he did that really, really, really, pissed me was closing down those nuclear power plants that were under construction. I bet half the people here do not know that Reagan was anti nuclear power. The harm to business men in those locations was terrible.


70 posted on 08/13/2011 1:53:23 PM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: silverleaf; dragnet2
So, I guess obama has your vote!

Good luck with that


Ah the ever-present false choice thrown out when a supporter of questionable conservative credentials actually has to confront somebody willing to talk about their candidate's less than conservative history.

We are in the primaries friend, not the general, leave the "My candidate is less evil than your candidate" questionable logic until then, ok?
71 posted on 08/13/2011 1:53:46 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: silverleaf
the first mission of the democrat machine and their MEdia operatives is to persuade Republicans and conservatives to not vote for Rick Perry

I can't speak for others here that have serious qualms with a Perry candidacy but I for one have lived in Texas and vote conservative and I know Perry's dismal record on immigration related issues. I study carefully the issues and the candidates and I say Perry wants open borders/open trade with Mexico and it all starts with turning Texas into a Mexican state of Mexico by eliminating our sovereign borders. IMO Pery wants no part of stopping illegal immigration.

72 posted on 08/13/2011 1:54:49 PM PDT by Ron H. (Loving my Deering Goodtime 2 Classic)
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To: raybbr

The question of the illegals is the whole ball of wax for the future of our country.

If they get amnesty and voting rights for the illegals, then eventually they will get their 60 Democrat senators and majority House control. It’s just a matter of time. California is the future.

If that happens, Obamacare will seem like a quaint capitalist program. We will go straight to single payer health care, and eventual nationalization of the banking and energy industries as well.

Socialism always and everywhere destroys what it controls, and it will destroy the USA too if it comes to power.


73 posted on 08/13/2011 1:58:20 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: cripplecreek

Now I went and wet myself.

LLS


74 posted on 08/13/2011 2:03:56 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: Meet the New Boss

“The question of the illegals is the whole ball of wax for the future of our country.”

I agree and there another reason which is even more important: the rule of law. If presidents and governors can refuse to enforce whatever laws they disagree with, then we are living in anarchy and chaos, not a democracy.

There are other examples too like the Democratic governors in Illinois refuse to execute any prisoners but instead automatically commute all death sentences into life in prison.


75 posted on 08/13/2011 2:06:18 PM PDT by Siegfried X
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To: areukiddingme1
Any Conservative that is a true Conservative can beat obama... anyone that will take it to the kenyan and not hold back in any way... that person can beat obama... LLS said that... Rush Limbaugh said that... Mark Levin said that... and Perry is not the only candidate that can beat him... and all any of you have that say otherwise... is just your own opinion... backed by... more opinion. The difference between my opinion and yours is the quality and intuitive understanding of those like Limbaugh and Levin that agree with me.

LLS

76 posted on 08/13/2011 2:10:05 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: cradle of freedom
McCain was a veteran too. So was John Murtha.

And so was John (3 Purple Heart's) Kerry.

77 posted on 08/13/2011 2:10:54 PM PDT by Ron H. (Loving my Deering Goodtime 2 Classic)
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To: org.whodat
One of my degrees is in American History and I worked on both of Reagan's campaigns in my state and I was alive and engaged during his tenure and I have read extensively on Reagan and I fully understand his positions and his actions... AND I am presently reading “Ronald Reagan... THE NOTES” by Douglas Brinkely.

Nothing like going to the man's own words for his wisdom and thought processes.

LLS

78 posted on 08/13/2011 2:13:49 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: wolfcreek

Well that is one positive for Perry... rove is an evil pos.

LLS


79 posted on 08/13/2011 2:15:27 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: LibLieSlayer

So you are not willing to state who you are supporting?


80 posted on 08/13/2011 2:20:58 PM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: lonestar67
I could get all worked up with your post...

...but sheesh, I've been here 10 years....

...and your post is just refried hackneyed worn out talking points.....why bother.

No, some of us don't want Perry....

..and no, that doesn't mean we cede the Presidency to Obama...

81 posted on 08/13/2011 2:30:55 PM PDT by Guenevere (....)
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To: org.whodat
I said that he was not perfect... only JESUS was and they crucified him. Reagan also cut and ran from Lebanon... we should have killed every radical that breathed at the time. Oliver North stated that al qaeda was born in that attack on our Marines. Like I said... he was not perfect... but he was a GREAT PRESIDENT. He understood America and Americans and he dearly loved both. HE KNEW that were were exceptional and he meant it... not as a sound bite but from his heart. He was also more of a Conservative than any President in my lifetime... and I am older than dirt.

LLS

82 posted on 08/13/2011 2:33:22 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: LibLieSlayer

ditto my sentiments regarding Rove.....


83 posted on 08/13/2011 2:33:57 PM PDT by Guenevere (....)
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To: LibLieSlayer

“Rush Limbaugh said that”

Rush also said this; “RUSH: Now, Rick Perry used to be soft on immigration, now he’s not. There’s no way you’re gonna hear Rick Perry supporting amnesty in any way, shape, manner, or form. He’s solid on that, plus pro-life. Rick Perry stands in opposition to inside the Beltway Washington elites, I don’t care what party they are. I would like to see him get in this.”


84 posted on 08/13/2011 2:35:37 PM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: areukiddingme1
I am awaiting the entrance of the person that I hope to support. Right now... the only candidates that I would rather slide down a 50 foot razor blade into cool pool of alcohol rather than vote for... are santorum, pawlenty, huntsman, gingrich, Paul and willard the rat turd romney. I do not support Perry but I will not state right now that I wouldn't vote for him... if he is all that I have to vote for. Hell I voted for Bush and mccain... one is quite similar to Perry and one was far worse... the one that was far worse being juan mcnasty. I will NEVER vote for another mccain... Perry is not there but I have to tell you... the more that I learn... the closer to mccrazy he gets.

LLS

85 posted on 08/13/2011 2:41:29 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: Guenevere

It becomes crystal clear when you open your eyes... he is a putrid operative.

LLS


86 posted on 08/13/2011 2:46:14 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: areukiddingme1
He is in it... he has plenty of opportunity ahead to show himself to America. I am not against him running... but he has problems... some that the others do not and some the others share... but he will not be ordained... he will have to earn it... something his supporters can never do for him.

LLS

87 posted on 08/13/2011 2:51:22 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: LibLieSlayer

“he will have to earn it...something his supporters can never do for him.”

Roger that.


88 posted on 08/13/2011 2:53:34 PM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: LibLieSlayer

And to the non-political “independent” voter, he looks too much like the Brolin villain in “True Grit.”


89 posted on 08/13/2011 2:59:24 PM PDT by Fu-fu2
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To: Fu-fu2
You know... that never occurred to me... but he does!

LLS

90 posted on 08/13/2011 3:02:55 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: Meet the New Boss

Remember that the Mexican population (in Mexico) doubled between 1970 and 2000. This is the Democrats dream, not only are they Dem voters but they are very fertile, having children in their mid-teens. We cannot keep up with that. Our children will never have a say in their country ever again.


91 posted on 08/13/2011 3:05:41 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: LibLieSlayer

If so many middle-of-the-road clueless Republicans did not vote for McCain in the primaries, then we wouldn’t have had to vote for him in the finals. That was a really hard choice— the dufus or the marxist.


92 posted on 08/13/2011 3:09:24 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: areukiddingme1

Unfortunately, he is not against the inside-the-Austin-beltway illegal alien promoting special interests. Perry is just warming up, he is playing hard to get to drive up his price.


93 posted on 08/13/2011 3:11:47 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Guenevere

You’re probably right.


94 posted on 08/13/2011 3:54:33 PM PDT by lonestar67 (I remember when unemployment was 4.7 percent)
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To: cradle of freedom

It was hard to vote for that pos traitor regardless of his opponent... I voted for mctwoface... and I despised doing so.

LLS


95 posted on 08/13/2011 4:07:21 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: cradle of freedom
democrats voting for mccain in states where it was legal for them to do so... elected mccain. If not for those dims voting in our primaries... he would have lost. The party of stupid failed to fix this major flaw... actually they refused to fix it.

LLS

96 posted on 08/13/2011 4:10:14 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: LibLieSlayer
Nothing wrong with that!!!! Not one thing, good deal. I enjoy Mark Levin's comments on his days with Reagan.
97 posted on 08/13/2011 4:15:50 PM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: LibLieSlayer

I think they have their reasons for not fixing the independent vote problem. Their real concern is that people like you and I get to vote in the primaries.


98 posted on 08/13/2011 4:18:50 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: cradle of freedom

Absolutely dead on.

LLS


99 posted on 08/13/2011 4:37:43 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: org.whodat
Levin was commenting that he and Rush were texting each other during the debates. They are close. Both are wonderful assets and entertaining.

LLS

100 posted on 08/13/2011 4:39:45 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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