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Bachman wins Iowa Straw Poll. Paul second. Pawlenty third. Romney fourth, er, seventh.

Posted on 08/13/2011 4:03:48 PM PDT by DRey

Bachman bests Paul. Pawlenty third. Romney fourth. Works for me!


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To: COgamer
Am I missing why we should care what the government of Cuba has to say, or why US law or election law should hinge on irrelevant statements coming out of Cuba?

What you are missing is a standard of international law that whether the government from which a citizen originates recognizes the idea of dual sovereignty. I actually agree with Cuba here in that a person who desires to become a naturalized American citizen must first renounce citizenship and allegiance to the land of their birth.

301 posted on 08/13/2011 10:24:28 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: I see my hands; Doe Eyes; rabscuttle385; stephenjohnbanker; mkjessup; calcowgirl; LMAO; ...
RE :”Bachman has good values/ideas. So do I, so do you. Big whoop. We need someone who can fight and win or America dies. Bachman needs to withdraw today and support a Sarah Palin candidacy

How can Bachmann support something that doesnt exist ? Bachmann stepped up to the plate. That's what REAL leaders do. Live with it.

302 posted on 08/13/2011 10:25:37 PM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: Pan_Yan

WOW! With that top ten, it’s no wonder we have Obama in the White House. Let’s NOT do that again, shall we???!!!


303 posted on 08/13/2011 10:29:30 PM PDT by boatbums ( God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Sola Veritas

” I think Perry showed ZERO class to announce when he did and draw attention away from this event.”

I agree!


304 posted on 08/13/2011 10:32:04 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: sickoflibs

...oh, brother.


305 posted on 08/13/2011 10:35:07 PM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: Monorprise; stephenjohnbanker; B4Ranch; Carry_Okie; Pete-R-Bilt; SouthTexas

That’s music to my ears. Thank you for that post.


306 posted on 08/13/2011 10:46:21 PM PDT by glock rocks (Primary is a VERB)
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Congrats Michelle Bachmann. Hold your line. Stay the course.

Perry is a globalist,fueled by the GOP establishment. He can claim it was a “calling” all he wants, but until the GOP establishment committed him the money, he was a bench warmer... all the while you were one of a few in the trenches, holding your line, fighting the battle to save this nation from Obama, and his commie comrades.

Go Michelle!


307 posted on 08/13/2011 10:46:21 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (Repeal the 16th amendment . Send Islam packing to their homeland.)
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To: Sola Veritas; Impy; Clintonfatigued
Bachmann, 4823
Paul, 4671
Pawlenty, 2293
Santorum, 1657
Cain, 1456
Romney, 567
Gingrich, 385
Huntsman, 69
McCotter, 35
other write-ins, 162

Interesting. Delete Ron Paul and Thaddeus McCotter from this list (or have them swap places), and looks like Iowa Republicans ranked the candidates in the same order as my preferences. They have good taste, lol.

>> I biggest problem here is that Pawlenty came in third. I was hoping he would drop out... <<

I'd rather Romney, Gingrich, and Huntsman drop out, I don't want to imagine any scenario with them as the nominee. That's why I'm glad they ended up in the bottom rung. Newt's ego may keep him in the race regardless of how poorly he polls (ditto with Ron Paul, he will run in every primary regardless of what the results are)

I'm not keen on Pawlenty but I could stomach him as the nominee. He brings much of the same credentials that Perry has (acceptable conservative platform, nice guy, mediocre governor, wimp, etc.), but Perry comes across as having Romney-like fakeness, I'm getting a real "I'm conservative cuz it gets me votes in Texas!" feel from Perry, so Pawlenty at least seems to sincere about his conservative values. Guy needs a personality and a spine transplant though.

>> I am glad to see Santorum did as well as he did...Cain not too bad either. <<

I like Rick, but I think his political career is DOA and the media treats him as a joke, so its nice to see he got a respectable showing in this poll. Cain has greatly disappointed me since he entered in the race. I always thought he was the longest of long shots but probably the best conservative in the race. Now I see as better than a RINO (Romney) or phony "tea party" conservative (Perr), but nowhere near the ideal conservative.

>> Anyway, I am pleased that Bachman got a boost. I think Perry showed ZERO class to announce when he did and draw attention away from this event. I’m already suspicious of him....his actions make me more so <<

Ditto. The more I learn about this guy, the less I trust him. He still barely makes my "acceptable" list, but only because the unacceptables are so bad. I really dread the thought if having Perry in the field to splinter the conservative vote more. RINOs should be overjoyed that Perry will be going after Bachmann, Pawlenty, and Santorum voters with a scripted "I'm such a tough pro-life, pro-gun, pro-traditional marriage, limited government, seal the borders man" song-and-dance. Alot of conservatives who don't know any better will buy his B.S. and waste time with the Perry distraction, and that will make it easier for RINOs to get in under the radar.

308 posted on 08/13/2011 11:13:41 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: DRey

Well...she is still a witch with migraines where she speaks with Satan.


309 posted on 08/13/2011 11:16:39 PM PDT by wardaddy (I support Bachmann...or Palin should she enter...but I am not a Palin Harpy...know the difference)
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To: Doe Eyes
She's very attractive. Still it would be tough to chose between her and Palin.

It would be a problem I hope we have to settle...those two at the top of the primary heap. Would make me very happy.

Neither have doe eyes though..drat

310 posted on 08/13/2011 11:19:16 PM PDT by wardaddy (I support Bachmann...or Palin should she enter...but I am not a Palin Harpy...know the difference)
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To: DRey

I’m happy and surprised....I was afraid it’d be goofball Paul or Clark Kent.


311 posted on 08/13/2011 11:30:07 PM PDT by wardaddy (I support Bachmann...or Palin should she enter...but I am not a Palin Harpy...know the difference)
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To: DRey
So Bachman/Paul it is, that settles that! /S

I could get more votes in my county for county legislator!

312 posted on 08/13/2011 11:31:23 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico

Hey, we’re just happy Romney looked weak.


313 posted on 08/13/2011 11:33:55 PM PDT by DRey
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To: Doe Eyes

looking at that waist...I had seen that pic from about 10 years ago before ...I had to see if she’s had kids

no...figures


314 posted on 08/13/2011 11:34:41 PM PDT by wardaddy (I support Bachmann...or Palin should she enter...but I am not a Palin Harpy...know the difference)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

lol....you guys kill me

what is more important to me is that a social conservative came in first...which is rare there

not Romney or Pawlenty or that libertarian Paul

if Cain or Santorum won it would be just as nice in that regard


315 posted on 08/13/2011 11:36:54 PM PDT by wardaddy (I support Bachmann...or Palin should she enter...but I am not a Palin Harpy...know the difference)
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To: flat

She looks very nice to be my age...(old)

Her and Palin are both hot...

But that has nothing to do with what we need either one to do...if Palin runs..

choosing between them is a problem I look forward to having

but their prettiness which is very nice admittedly doesn’t matter

either could look like a Macbeth’s caldron stirrer as long as they stood for the right thing

I’m saying all this despite thinking women do not make good leaders nearly as frequently as men

but I find these two exceptional

Bachmann is probably smarter and more reserved....more steel trap

Palin has more pizzazz and instinct...and that “it factor” that is just a talent you either have or don’t...Bro had it...Toon had it running out his ear...Magnus...obviously loaded with it

Which one is meaner may come into play..Perry is mean I hear...one thing about him I like...I suspect Palin is meaner than Bachmann...just a hunch

Should Palin enter....Perry has his work cut out for him...like herding cats arguing with women publicly...you can’t be seen as a bully...that will drive women voters away

but quite a few conservative women are not crazy about women pols either...I hear it all the time

this is shaping up to be...should Palin enter...a wing dinger which should fall into from acceptable to extremely acceptable to all of us here should Romney be pushed back more by what could be the top three

I am just happy to have a social righty making a good showing in polls consistently

I can’t recall this since Magnus

it’s always the Elite GOP bunch right outta the gate and so forth

BushI, Dole, Bush II-Queeg, BushII, and then Queeg’s day....none of those were thought of as social conservatives by FR standards

this is mo better


316 posted on 08/13/2011 11:50:12 PM PDT by wardaddy (I support Bachmann...or Palin should she enter...but I am not a Palin Harpy...know the difference)
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To: RED SOUTH

false...nice try though


317 posted on 08/13/2011 11:51:02 PM PDT by wardaddy (I support Bachmann...or Palin should she enter...but I am not a Palin Harpy...know the difference)
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To: TexasFreeper2009; Sola Veritas; All

I added up SVs numbers and they were missing 774, which would be most of Perry’s votes. Then I added up TFs numbers where they forgot to include “other write-ins.” When I added in the other write-ins, there were still several dozen votes unaccounted for???


318 posted on 08/13/2011 11:59:32 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Carry_Okie
That's not very smart in dealing with me.

lol..u go girl...I hear ya

319 posted on 08/14/2011 12:02:33 AM PDT by wardaddy (I support Bachmann...or Palin should she enter...but I am not a Palin Harpy...know the difference)
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To: wardaddy

Hey...you need to start ratcheting it up and bringing out your inner jerk...stop all these rational posts.....;)


320 posted on 08/14/2011 12:06:35 AM PDT by chasio649
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To: Friendofgeorge
If Palin gets in . . .
321 posted on 08/14/2011 12:09:12 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: thelastvirgil

The Iowa straw poll results demonstrate that Bachman has a core of committed followers who may become the basis for a strong showing in the caucuses. In addition, her victory helps to gain attention and credibility and spur fund-raising. The nomination process can be nerve wracking and fractious, but this year it will unite and energize the party.


322 posted on 08/14/2011 12:16:11 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Caipirabob

Romney may yet become the GOP nominee. His money, lead in the polls, and national campaign experience make him a contender.


323 posted on 08/14/2011 12:19:06 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

Candidates are not created equal. Behind closed doors, major donors and interest groups discuss the election in unsentimental terms of who has the best chance to win. Polling, fund raising, campaign organization, issues, and candidate quality are key factors.


324 posted on 08/14/2011 12:23:58 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: chasio649

they just take the fun out of it...I think...just my thought

that social conservatives would be happy one has been consistently winning polls in a primary race for GOP nod

i have not seen that in 27 years...

Palin running or not is not important with regard to the fact that an undisputed social conservative who has not backed down nor parsed anything controversial has been leading polls for weeks now

do youngsters here not realize this is far different than we usually get from GOP establishment?

if Palin enters...choosing tween her and Bachmann would be like choosing tween Eva Green or Mila Kunis for the weekend

or Tom Jefferson or James Madison for your classics tutor

in other words...a great problem to have


325 posted on 08/14/2011 12:34:55 AM PDT by wardaddy (I support Bachmann...or Palin should she enter...but I am not a Palin Harpy...know the difference)
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To: wardaddy

I have a big framed picture of Magnus in my living room....nice looking gent...SP or MB wouldn’t clash with the decor either :)


326 posted on 08/14/2011 12:40:29 AM PDT by chasio649
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To: chasio649

I have Churchill, Bedford Forrest and Son House

Magnus is a great choice though


327 posted on 08/14/2011 12:48:44 AM PDT by wardaddy (I support Bachmann...or Palin should she enter...but I am not a Palin Harpy...know the difference)
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To: Pan_Yan
11 August 2007
Place Candidate Votes Percentage
1 Mitt Romney 4,516 31.6%
2 Mike Huckabee 2,587 18.1%
3 Sam Brownback 2,192 15.3%
4 Tom Tancredo 1,961 13.7%
5 Ron Paul 1,305 9.1%
6 Tommy Thompson 1,039 7.3%
7 Fred Thompson 203 1.4%
8 Rudy Giuliani 183 1.3%
9 Duncan Hunter 174 1.2%
10 John McCain 101 0.7%
11 John H. Cox 41 0.3%
13 August 2011
Place Candidate Votes Percentage
1 Michele Bachmann 4,823 28.6%
2 Ron Paul 4,671 27.7%
3 Tim Pawlenty 2,293 13.6%
4 Rick Santorum 1,657 9.8%
5 Herman Cain 1,456 8.6%
6 Rick Perry (write-in) 718 4.3%
7 Mitt Romney 567 3.4%
8 Newt Gingrich 385 2.3%
9 Jon Huntsman 69 0.4%
10 Thaddeus McCotter 35 0.2%
Scattering 162 1.0%

One might question the predictive power of the Iowa Straw Poll.

328 posted on 08/14/2011 12:51:42 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: garjog

Bachmann/Palin we need the two people in politics with the most cajones.


329 posted on 08/14/2011 1:02:40 AM PDT by exnavy (May the Lord bless and keep our troops.)
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To: Brytani

To: DRey; Outlaw Woman
“People actually have to pay $30 to cast a vote.”
Actually the candidates pay for a big majority of the tickets. They put on big feeds for the participants who have the tickets and even provide transport.

All these “straw polls” determine is which candidate has the better campaign organization in Iowa. They also provide a candidate some confidence that they should continue the run if they are in the top 3 or 4. This “straw poll” is part of the Iowa State Fair sideshow.

83 posted on Saturday, August 13, 2011 4:37:12 PM by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: DRey
Wow, I’m shocked. How did the Ronulian’s fail to stuff the ballot box?

This gives me a bit of additional faith. Ron Paul showed himself as the barking moonbat he really is when discussing Iran. Glad to see his cult was rejected.


330 posted on 08/14/2011 1:17:55 AM PDT by Don W (You can forget what you do for a living when your knees are in the breeze.)
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To: Antoninus

I understand completely he’s a RINO. However I will vote for anyone over Obama. This nation will not survive four more years with him.


331 posted on 08/14/2011 1:23:28 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: Outlaw Woman
Can someone explain to me about these ‘straw poles’ and what kind of weight they carry as far as credibility?

$30 fee for the opportunity to vote. Candidates pay for venue space, with size and prime location going to the highest bidder. Candidates pay transportation for out-of-town supporters and pay admission fees to sway the outcome.

The Ames (Iowa) Straw Poll is a reasonable indicator of early candidate campaign organizational strength and funding. It is not a good indicator of election outcome.

332 posted on 08/14/2011 1:33:38 AM PDT by NautiNurse (TSA Tit for Tat--Yukari Mihamae--thank you!)
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To: MNJohnnie

He didn’t participate in the Straw Poll. The others showed up, or had well funded write in campaigns like Perry did.


333 posted on 08/14/2011 1:45:15 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: NautiNurse

Thank you for that excellent explanation. Is it the same with other polls?


334 posted on 08/14/2011 3:24:00 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Palin/Perry 2012)
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To: South40
I'm new to FreeRepublic and I'm a bit confused about something that perhaps you can clear up for me. I see a lot of animosity directed toward Ron Paul and his supporters. Paul's personal life seems unimpeachable and his stand on most issues is solidly conservative. So why the animosity?
335 posted on 08/14/2011 4:18:42 AM PDT by BUGSWOL
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To: BUGSWOL

RuPaul has many great platforms, he is also a 911 truther. He has nothing to back it up. He blames America for a bunch of terrorist Muslims taking out the WTC.


336 posted on 08/14/2011 4:36:58 AM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: DRey

But how did McCain do? I can’t find any information on his numbers? Am I logged in?

- he he

Congrats to Bachmann and the Tea Party, must driving the libs crazy ...


337 posted on 08/14/2011 5:23:00 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: DRey
Great news...Bachmann is the best candidate we have running. Thank God, RINOs lost out in this. No Romney, Pawlenty, Perry, Hunstman or any other RINO should be put in office to ride the wave of socialism we've experienced for the past three presidents.

Time to turn back to real Americanism and constitutionalism.

All you RINO supporters are truly disgusting in your support for the big government socialist elitist candidates. It is exactly your fault we are where we are today, supporting your false idols of American sellouts to one world government with your atheistic secularist roots.

You should go back to your public schools and insist your union thug atheistic secularist socialists actually teach you something TRUE about America and God. Good luck with that...

338 posted on 08/14/2011 5:26:55 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Patrick1




"Sorry, but none of the top three in this poll has any chance of being the next President of the United States. "



Right out of the libtard playbook...keep repeating a lie often and long enough and it will be accepted as truth. Well, Americans are on to your dubious tactics. Thank you, Lord! And I'll be you really are sorry a real conservative took this poll by a landslide against the RINOs.




339 posted on 08/14/2011 5:33:14 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: luckystarmom

Please show me where she has raised lots of money? She only raise 2 million bucks on her last filing.


340 posted on 08/14/2011 5:48:32 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (DID I MENTION...SARAH PALIN 2012 OR FLIPPIN BUST)
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To: South40
The Paultards will still call it a victory.

They probably would have, but I heard cut and run did not bring enough dope and most of his backers lost interest.
341 posted on 08/14/2011 5:49:53 AM PDT by John D
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To: wardaddy

Palin is not running. Her job is simply to inspire people to actually get off their behinds and vote.


342 posted on 08/14/2011 5:57:57 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Outlaw Woman

It’s a way for the state party to gauge the feelings of the voters. Nothing more. Voters have to pay to vote. So it adds $ to the party coffers as well. As for the candidates, it can be a way to gauge their acceptance, but with their egos it’s questionable the losers would heed the warning.


343 posted on 08/14/2011 6:05:44 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: MARKUSPRIME
I understand completely he’s a RINO. However I will vote for anyone over Obama. This nation will not survive four more years with him.

Wrong. We will survive--and we will have a socialist enemy to concentrate on who will supply us with an endless array of outrages to keep the fires stoked.

With Romney in office, much as with G W Bush, big government will advance unabated with NO meaningful opposition. Every judge nominated will be a David Souter. In fact, the national GOP will be completely neutered and we conservatives will find ourselves on the outside of the big tent with no party and absolutely no power.
344 posted on 08/14/2011 6:14:15 AM PDT by Antoninus (Nothing that offends God can possibly be a legitimate right.)
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To: Antoninus

I dont like Romney at all but I will vote for him if my only other choice is Obama. I mean really 4 more years of Obama? Man....


345 posted on 08/14/2011 6:38:25 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: Rockingham

With all due respect, it shows that while she is a strong contender, she also spent a TON of money to get the support at the straw poll...this is why this particular straw poll is bogus. Same with Paul...the each spent massive amounts of money for turnout...and they still couldn’t muster the votes of all of the tickets they handed out. If for example, they each purchased 6000 tickets and gave them out to people at the fair, yet only garnered 4000 plus votes, there were still 2000 tickets each outstanding...presumably, their votes went elsewhere. Now, for Cain and Santorum, who spent little on advertising and nothing on recruitment/busing people in, they did a GREAT job with far less support. This for me is a key indicator.


346 posted on 08/14/2011 6:41:31 AM PDT by chilepup
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Paid political operatives? Dang! When do I get my check. I was there and voted, but never heard anything about getting paid for it. LOL!


347 posted on 08/14/2011 6:54:31 AM PDT by Catholic Iowan
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To: Friendofgeorge

Bachmann has always been known as a great fundraisr in her re elections as well as this Presidential bid.

http://www.newser.com/story/115457/michele-bachmann-raises-more-money-than-mitt-romney-in-first-quarter.html

Wow, I am reading your posts throughout this Bachmann thread and you are desperately trying to bash Bachmann to promote someone who is not even running.


348 posted on 08/14/2011 7:20:28 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (It is possible to both promote Palin and support Bachmann at the same time, ya know.)
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To: Outlaw Woman
Is it the same with other polls?

The annual CPAC straw poll gets a fair amount of press coverage. It is also swayed by candidates paying for students (cheap tickets) to attend and sway the vote in their favor. Ron Paul and Mitt Romney have been doing this for several years.

Telephone surveys/polls may or may not be paid by special interest groups and/or candidates. The special interest slant can often be detected by the phrasing of questions and/or response choices. Known liberal pollsters can also skew results by heavily populating the sample with known liberal respondents.

349 posted on 08/14/2011 7:37:45 AM PDT by NautiNurse (TSA Tit for Tat--Yukari Mihamae--thank you!)
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To: BUGSWOL
Ron Paul supporters are better known as Ronulans. The ones I have seen in person are very strange and rude. They spend a lot of time and risk darting across highways to plant Ron Paul signs in medians. The local Ronulan campaign chairman nearly knocked me to the ground outside a REC meeting. No "excuse me" or "sorry about that" from him. He just kept going. Since that was my first impression of him, it is a long lasting bad impression.

As for Ron Paul, he blames the U.S. for September 11, 2001. That pretty well cancels anything else he has to say.

350 posted on 08/14/2011 7:48:13 AM PDT by NautiNurse (TSA Tit for Tat--Yukari Mihamae--thank you!)
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