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‘Substantial evidence’ facilities violated gay couple’s civil rights
Chicago Sun-Time ^ | 08/16/2011 | Chicago Sun-Times

Posted on 08/16/2011 2:59:14 PM PDT by fwdude

The state Department of Human Rights has found “substantial evidence” that the civil rights of a gay couple were violated by two facilities that refused to host their civil union ceremony.

After the rejections, Todd and Mark Wathen filed complaints with the state, got their civil union license on June 1 and on June 4 had a ceremony and reception in their backyard.

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n an e-mail reply from the Beall Mansion, Wathen was told, “At this point we will just be doing traditional weddings.” Beall’s definition of traditional weddings: “Weddings as opposed to civil unions.”

TimberCreek, was more emphatic in its denial. An e-mail reply from Jim Walder stated: “We will never host same-sex civil unions. We will never host same-sex weddings even if they become legal in Illinois. We believe homosexuality is wrong and unnatural based on what the Bible says about it. If that is discrimination, I guess we unfortunately discriminate.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: homonaziagenda; homonazis; homonazism; homosexualagenda; religiousliberty
The Gaystapo is at it again, attacking normal people for being normal. This enrages me beyond words.

And kudos to TimberCreek B&B for their staunch stance against the sodomites. We need more people and businesses like this in society.

1 posted on 08/16/2011 2:59:21 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: fwdude

It’s sad that the queers are going to eventually put these places out of business.


2 posted on 08/16/2011 3:05:04 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (The only problem some people have with tyranny is that theyÂ’re not the tyrant.)
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To: fwdude

So much for private property rights and freedom of association. I don’t know why we bother with the Constitution any more. Nobody pays any attention to it.


3 posted on 08/16/2011 3:05:41 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: fwdude

And what of civil property rights????????????????????????????????????????


4 posted on 08/16/2011 3:09:17 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: All

What the Meat Locker wouldn’t host their wedding?


5 posted on 08/16/2011 3:10:59 PM PDT by troy McClure
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To: SampleMan

What property rights? Everything belongs to the State in The People’s Republic of Illinois.


6 posted on 08/16/2011 3:12:48 PM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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Now it starts. In our supposedly pluralistic society, decent people are to be compelled to bow to the deviants and the perverts. How long will the majority permit itself to be bullied by a tiny homosexual minority and its Democratic Party allies? If politics is about anything, it us about maintaining a public culture. The Republicans need to make an issue of this. The idea that the majority accepts homosexual behavior as normal, an idea pushed by the media and the degenerates who write sitcoms and Hollywood film garbage, is a Big Lie.


7 posted on 08/16/2011 3:13:12 PM PDT by Godwin1
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Now it starts. In our supposedly pluralistic society, decent people are to be compelled to bow to the deviants and the perverts. How long will the majority permit itself to be bullied by a tiny homosexual minority and its Democratic Party allies? If politics is about anything, it us about maintaining a public culture. The Republicans need to make an issue of this. The idea that the majority accepts homosexual behavior as normal, an idea pushed by the media and the degenerates who write sitcoms and Hollywood film garbage, is a Big Lie.


8 posted on 08/16/2011 3:13:24 PM PDT by Godwin1
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To: Graybeard58

One way or the other they would be out of business. Shit on the sheets can’t be good for business.


9 posted on 08/16/2011 3:13:38 PM PDT by Bayou Dittohead
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To: Graybeard58

One way or the other they would be out of business. Shit on the sheets can’t be good for business.


10 posted on 08/16/2011 3:14:01 PM PDT by Bayou Dittohead
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To: fwdude

There are several sides in this battle: good, misguided, and evil. The thugs filing this lawsuit have stepped across the line from merely misguided to extreme evil. Legally, the right to the free exercise of religion is protected by the First Amendment. Morally, that right is God-given, which places it on a higher plane than whatever commands might be issued by a judge with delusions of grandeur. Personally, my property is mine, and I would rather burn everything I own to the ground than pay these parasites in the event that they win in court. I would not under any circumstances allow my assets to be transferred to anyone launching a frivolous or immoral lawsuit. I’m almost invariably polite, but I would make an exception for these people, perhaps with a comment on how I hoped AIDS would bring them what they deserve - soon. It’s not true; I hope they find God and repent of their sinful actions, but spite would likely get the best of me if I were in the position of the facility owners.


11 posted on 08/16/2011 3:18:58 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Graybeard58
It’s sad that the queers are going to eventually put these places out of business.

Incorrect, the sad part is that we're permitting governments vast and broad new powers lest we be labeled as being unaccepting, racist, or a bigot.

I have no problem with a business discriminating based upon religion, sexual orientation, appearance or just about whatever they desire. If the consumer doesn't like it, they can go somewhere else. And if the business decides that hurts business, then they too can choose different avenues as well.

None of it is the state's business.

12 posted on 08/16/2011 3:21:29 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: kingu

You’re stating the ideal, which everyone here agrees with. But we are talking here about a Marxist state like Illinois. Nothing ideal about their thinking.


13 posted on 08/16/2011 3:28:56 PM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: Pollster1

I’m not a violent person, far from it, but these people just need a good beating. When all order goes to pot in this country, I believe these sodomites are going to get the “bullying” of their lives.


14 posted on 08/16/2011 3:30:20 PM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: fwdude

The place, TimberCreek B&B in Paxto, is a bed and breakfast with 6 guest accommodations, probably the innkeepers home.
These Twinkies probably knew the position of the innkeeper and chose to harass the owner of that tiny place.


15 posted on 08/16/2011 3:32:43 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: fwdude

“TimberCreek, was more emphatic in its denial. An e-mail reply from Jim Walder stated: “We will never host same-sex civil unions. We will never host same-sex weddings even if they become legal in Illinois. We believe homosexuality is wrong and unnatural based on what the Bible says about it. If that is discrimination, I guess we unfortunately discriminate.””

And you just set yourself up to be sued.

You may as well just write that big check and don’t even bother with lawyers who will end up taking the rest of your cash and property.


16 posted on 08/16/2011 3:35:02 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: Anti-Bubba182
These Twinkies probably knew the position of the innkeeper and chose to harass the owner of that tiny place.

You have to know they did.

17 posted on 08/16/2011 3:35:14 PM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: fwdude

So the State Dept. Is going after two private businesses because they don’t perform civil union ceremonies? Sound about right?

Whatever happened to “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone”.

If todd and mark are so miffed about this, maybe they should start their own civil union chapel, and quit trying to force their perverse lifestyle on everybody else.


18 posted on 08/16/2011 4:21:29 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: fwdude

So the State Dept. Is going after two private businesses because they don’t perform civil union ceremonies? Sound about right?

Whatever happened to “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone”.

If todd and mark are so miffed about this, maybe they should start their own civil union chapel, and quit trying to force their perverse lifestyle on everybody else.


19 posted on 08/16/2011 4:21:43 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: factoryrat

I’m not angry at the gay birds. They can call themselves husband and wife, pitcher and catcher, dude and scrude, or the Queen of England and My Pretty Pony for all I care. Do it private and quit f***ing up our kids and making the rest of us lose our lunch.

The people I’m truly p***ed off at is the freak special interests, the litigators, and the drop-the-soap-and-write-”do me”-on-the-shower-floor leaders we elect that are deranging our culture step by step into a cesspool cyclone from which there may be no return.


20 posted on 08/16/2011 4:56:08 PM PDT by tarotsailor
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To: fwdude

The bottom line is that if there is a trial before a jury, the accommodations will win, but if it is just in front of a judge, the homosexuals will win.

This is because these homosexual marriage laws are exclusively the work of the government *against* the will of the people. That is why such laws have *always* been created in such a way that the people are not *permitted* to refuse. Because if given the opportunity, the people *will* invariably refuse homosexual marriage.

Therefore, a defense before the jury is simple. “This law demonstrates the arrogance of the state against the conscience of the individual. The state cannot decree that the people must worship Moloch instead of God. Nor can the state decree that people act against their conscience, be it to pick up arms and murder another person, commit or suborn acts of perversion.”


21 posted on 08/16/2011 5:03:30 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: fwdude

Actually, I’m not talking about an ideal, I’m talking about a goal. Conservative activism means taking back the power from the government and investing it where it belongs, that of with the people. For far far too long, government’s power has expanded, while the people’s has greatly diminished, and until we reverse this decline, we’ll constantly be disappointed in our candidates.

We send them to government office to reduce government, not expand it. And if need be, we’ll keep hunting until we find politicians who’ll do it.


22 posted on 08/16/2011 10:42:36 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: fwdude

Media outlets have to comply with the same anti-discrimination regs. This helps to explain media bias on the issue — editorial policy quickly aligns with government-mandated personnel policy.


23 posted on 08/17/2011 10:53:54 PM PDT by Dumb_Ox
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