The new Russian fighter: shown today, here tomorrow

The Indian Express ^ | Aug 17 2011 | Manu Pubby

[sukhoi-30mki]

[Lurker]

F14ski.

[doc1019]

Not that it matters; the Russians haven’t had an original idea since the T34 tank.

[Army Air Corps]

Ping.

[Jeff Head]

Well, look at those big fat engine nozzels in the back...those are missile vacuums. The F-22 and F-35 do a LOT better job of masking that infrared signature than what this appear to do. The new Chinese J-20 has the same problem...twin missile vaccums sticking out the back.

Fine fighters I am sure, but I do not believe they will be near as stealthy, either radar wise or heat wise as the Raptor or JSF. And that is a huge handi-cap.

In addition, we are going to build a LOT of F-35s.

We need a President and Congress who will double and triple the number of F-22s. We only built 187 of them and then stopped. We need 400 or more.

[Tucker39]

Did you ever see their version of a reusable space shuttle....before they abandoned it? It was such a shameless copy of OURS it was unbelievable. They only ever launched it once or twice that I know of. It’s obviously a lot easier to copy the APPEARANCE of something than it is to duplicate its PERFORMANCE!

[Mariner]

It will be a good bird if they ever produce it in numbers.

A true 5th generation fighter is not cheap and current numbers will not reflect the real costs.

The Indians have been snookered.

[doc1019]

I rest my case. ;-)

[The Antiyuppie]

I did see one of the designers of the Buran interviewed and he said words to the effect that the laws of physics and the limitations of technology and engineering applied to everyone, and that’s why the Buran looked a lot like the Shuttle. From the first flight to the last, the Shuttle pushed the limits of a lot of technologies - it’s amazing that there were only two accidents, really.

[ltc8k6]

Those big fat engine nozzles are probably quite stealthy, as is the T-50.

You can see that the nacelles are not ordinary at all.

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/1/0/7/1968701.jpg

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/5/2/8/1968825.jpg

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/9/0/8/1968809.jpg

[Bulgaricus1]

Actually, the T-34 tank had it’s body & tracks designed by an American. So, maybe the Ruskies NEVER have had an original idea...

[Bulgaricus1]

Actually, the T-34 tank had it’s body & tracks designed by an American. So, maybe the Ruskies NEVER have had an original idea...

[Ernie Kaputnik]

“...big fat engine nozzels in the back...those are missile vacuums...”

LOL! Nice observation on your part.

I’m not an aeronautical engineer, but I said the same exact thing about the vaunted Chinese “stealth fighter” (or bomber?) when the pics were posted on FR back in December 2010.

[KoRn]

You have to wonder how many Russian Cosmonauts were sent flying off into the depths of the Solar System to never be seen nor heard from again, crashed into the Moon, or just left to float around in orbit. We could only guess.....

[doc1019]

But they were the first to use slanted hulls (causing shells fired at them to be deflected}, thus, an original idea. The slanted hull eventually became the standard in all future tanks

[LibWhacker]

Good idea gluing a spare one to the left wing tip.

[Born to Conserve]

“But they were the first to use slanted hulls”

Nope. American tanks did that first too.

[duckln]

How about the helicopter?

[Talisker]

But they were the first to use slanted hulls (causing shells fired at them to be deflected}, thus, an original idea. The slanted hull eventually became the standard in all future tanks

C.S.S. Merrimac, 1862

[Draco88]

“Not that it matters; the Russians haven’t had an original idea since the T34 tank.”

“Actually, the T-34 tank had it’s body & tracks designed by an American. So, maybe the Ruskies NEVER have had an original idea...”

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Well, the suspention on a T-34 was designed by an American - Christie suspention. I don’t know anything about the body, sloped armour etc. However, the Russians did come up with a few original ideas since the T-34. One is the Kalashninkov designed in 1947 where the original idea was to use part of the air pressure from the fired bullet’s shockwave to lock the next bullet in place for firing. The Russians also pioneered a lot of the double hull design on submarines i.e. Oscar, Typhoon, as well as exotic nuclear propulsion systems on subs such as the Alpha which used I think carbon or boron as a coolent that always had to be kept at high temperature for it not to solidify which happened on few occasions. But in turn, Alpha developed 40 knots. Let’s also not forget - a big one - Tokanak (Tauroid) fusion reactors.