Skip to comments.Iran Jails American Hikers For 'Spying'
Posted on 08/20/2011 6:35:28 AM PDT by winoneforthegipper
Two American hikers who were detained in Iran have been sentenced to eight years in prison on charges of "illegal entry" and "espionage," the state TV website says.
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That is exactly who I am, too, a not-born-here American. And I don’t mind sanctimoniously declaring here that my heart was a damn sight more American than that of John Kerry, Jane Fonda, John Murtha, Dick Durbin, Pat Leahy, Jim Moran and others way before I took the oath of citizenship. All along this thread, you have been speaking my opinions. I thank you.
Know how I avoid being kidnapped/ransomed/murdered by an insane regime? I stay the hell home. I don’t know anywhere near the borders of crazy countries.
As my old Gaffer said “Don’t go looking for trouble, and trouble won’t find you.”
Agree 100%. This is an outrage and should not be tolerated by the U.S.
There’s some wisdom in that, but on the other hand, Americans should not fear to travel abroad because of their nationality; we didn’t put up with it when the Barbary pirates seized our ships and people, or the British impressed our citizens, etc., and we shouldn’t put up with it now. These are bogus, political charges, and EVERYONE knows it.
So, when is Obama gonna go in with the Navy Seals and get them out? Oh wait, forgot, he got them killed recently! Once again, Iran holds Americans hostage and our government lets them get away with it. Our nation has become spineless once again, just like under Carter.
1. Iranian regime is despotic & deserves sever punishment for its terrorist activities. Who’s gonna do that?
2. Iraq has a non-hostile gov’t. Well done to all those who participated, and spent zillions of $$ & thousands of lives to liberate Iraq.
3. Iraq, as a country, is still not safe. Even American soldiers have been killed there in recent yrs. Many Iraqis choose to flee Iraq to western countries, illegally too, and even now. Why?
4. Iraqi Kurdistan may be the most officially pro American region in Iraq. But, is under Iranian influence & attack.
5. American passport is not a guarantee to freedom in many places in the ME, North Africa, or South East Asia. In fact it can be a hazard. A Woody Allen movie long ago where he was said something like “you can’t arrest me, I’m an American citizen”, no longer applies.
6. American or non-Iraqi nationals should not be encouraged to, nor go visiting or hiking in Iraq or bordering towns between Iran & Iraq, unless it is absolutely required.
7. An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure.
8. The above is no joke. It is deadly serious.
Just what we need, a remake of the Iranian Hostage Crisis.
Since this is FR, Liberals are increasingly viewed as traitors and tyrants that our nation is better off without. Many feel Conservatives owe less loyalty to American Liberals than we owe to foreign soldiers, even the soldiers of our enemies. At least the soldiers have honor and loyalty. I can’t say I can argue against that credibly.
To expend national energy saving a traitor to our nation who is just an oppressive tyrant in waiting, does seem counter productive to protecting freedom for the remaining good freedom loving Americans.
That said, the whole Berkeley Peace Studies thing could have theoretically been some type of planned CIA deep cover for them, and they could actually be patriots. So I am not ready to write them off. Seems kind of odd, even for a Lib moron to be in that particular place by accident.
This is where our partisanship is going. Libs expect to be allowed ever more forceful infringments on everyone else’s Liberty, and Conservatives are getting to the point we will no longer afford loyalty on the mere sharing of a geographic birthplace.
It’s probably the first step in what often becomes a much more violent phase of human history, but I doubt, whatever the future, that it’s something any of us can actually control - unless Libs want to accept the concept of individual liberty, reject government control and oppression of all individual citizens, and let Conservatives live their lives free from some government busibody’s unilateral decrees.
If we do ever enter that phase, Libs will bear the blame. All that had to happen to prevent it would be the Libs leaving everyone else alone, and not demanding the right to have government intervene in everyone else’s lives. It’s not too much to ask.
I would consider investing in a country like Venezuela stupid. And I wouldn’t go hiking in Iraq. And I wouldn’t do the running of the bulls. You do any of those things and it’s a mistake and you can’t really blame anyone but yourself if you lose everything.
They got themselves into trouble. They got too close to the border. Even if they didn’t cross over, there have been stories for years of iranians crossing over to kidnap people. You don’t go up to the chained rabid dog. You find out the length of the chain, and stay double that length away from the dog.
Billary and Zero are completely helpless because they won't fight for us and the whole world knows it. Iran is not afraid of us.
These guys are hostages now, part of the propaganda war that encourages islamic militants to be more aggressive against our military. Anywhere an American is in the hands of our enemy we are all endangered, regardless of their stupidity in putting themselves in danger.
Every 0bama voter should go hiking in Iran.
Who cares? Anyone stupid enough to hike in Iran and Iraq in what is a combat zone deserve what they get.
Young people wishing to hike in a war zone should have enlisted in the US Marines or Army infantry.
To be frank they are lucky to be alive with their reckless behavior, while thousands of our American military who viewed this war much more seriously are either not alive today or have been changed forever. I oppose even a dollar of my taxes or military effort expended on their stupidity.
Accountability is about understanding that stupidity has repercussions, and others should not be required to sacrifice.
Not really sure why. I can see a few, but there have been a disproportionate amount of FReinds being out there on this issue.
I guess Americans first is dead concept.
Nice to meet you definitelynotaliberal :-) And yes - PALIN POWER 2012! I am sure all the people like us who love so much America because we know what’s going on elsewhere will use you tag line.
I don’t want ONE Navy Seal to die for these morons! Send the lawyers. That will be good enough. Next time they will need our army guys when they’ll be on a boat to gaza??? Let them there for a while. Good for their education. May be they will learn something - like spitting on America and our soldiers and then cry to have them risk their life to save them is NOT the right way to lead their lives.
Hiking in any muzzie dominated country is insane. Especially Iraq or Iran.
Whereas I haven't read anything today concerning the eight year sentence, the mothers of the hikers have been very active from the very beginning and quite unfailing in their efforts to have their sons and daughter released.
The family Sarah Shourd, the girl hiker that was originally held with the other two, managed to secure her release when it was indicated that she was suffering from a few medical conditions. Of course, first they had to post a "bond" of $500,000. Since the family does not seem to be particularly affluent, it was not clear how the money was finally obtained.
You can Google "mothers of hikers held in Iran" and see all of the things they have been doing.
I’m not saying I take pleasure in what happened, I simply said you made your bed, now you can lie in it, there’s a large difference, essentially translated that means for your actions there are consequences.
I would like your take on this Allegra since you have more experience in Iraq than anyone else on this site.