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On the Nature of the Perry Attacks
http://www.redstate.com ^ | Saturday, August 20th | Erick Erickson

Posted on 08/20/2011 4:50:00 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45

Rick Perry once tried to get out of a speeding ticket.

Rick Perry once owned stock in a chain of video stores competing against Blockbuster, some of which also rented adult movies.

Rick Perry once was a Democrat.

The attacks have come fast and furious against him. But most of the attacks take on a peculiar and very telling strain.

A reporter on television or in print will utter a sentence like this, “Privately many Republican consultants suggest Rick Perry may be too Texas or shoot from the hip too much and might turn off necessary independent voters and women.”

It sounds so serious. As Alex Castellanos said on CNN the other night on John King USA, some fear Rick Perry might have “Mad Cowboy Disease.”

Let me sum this all up for you into what Rick Perry’s biggest problem is.

Whether you are talking about Alex (Team Carole Strayhorn 2006) or Karl Rove (Team Kay Bailey Hutchison 2010) or a host of other national Republican consultants, Rick Perry and his Texas team have beaten a significant portion of them.

But they did not just beat them. In many cases, Team Perry then shut the consultants who opposed him out of future business with him.

So there are scores and scores of Republican consultants who have scores to settle with Rick Perry and his team. And for guys like Karl Rove, if Perry were to win the White House, Karl and a few others would see themselves shut out of White House business for at least four years.

Rick Perry may be the only guy in America to have beaten both Karl Rove and also Obama’s own consultant, David Axelrod.

So there’s a lot of score settling in a lot of the attacks. Next time you hear some Republican consultant say Rick Perry can’t win because he is too much of a cowboy, understand that it is probably a national Republican consultant fearful they will be shut out of work if Perry wins and, more importantly, understand that the same dynamics were in place in 1980 with Reagan’s “boys from California” team of consultants and the national consultants back them said the same about Reagan — he’s too much of a cowboy conservative who will alienate key voting blocks.

That’s not to say Perry is Reagan. It is to say the GOP national consultants have been pulling the same stuff since 1980.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: axelrod; castellanos; laraza; madcowboydisease; maldef; openborders; perry; perry2012; perrytards; ricardo; rickperry; rove
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To: RoosterRedux

Well, sheeesh, I’m very sorry you took my post to you in a manner I didn’t intend! That’s the trouble I sometimes have with written word.

No question that he has a lot more experience that Governor Palin.

Governor Perry is a 27 year career politician!

Be well!


101 posted on 08/20/2011 7:21:42 PM PDT by onyx (If you enjoy FR, support it! If you support Sarah Palin & want on her Busy Ping List, let me know.)
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To: Diogenesis
The McCain/Palin ticket was up ++8 pts. days prior to September 18th, 2008.

Then the stock market imploded, this had a far greater negative impact than anything Romney's people did IMHO.

102 posted on 08/20/2011 7:22:15 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: muawiyah

It’s forgivable. And he’s going to win. Romney is too liberal. Bachmann isn’t a credible candidate. And Palin isn’t running.

So face it - you’ll be voting for Perry in 15 months, so get on the Perry express now.


103 posted on 08/20/2011 7:22:24 PM PDT by Arec Barrwin
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To: Neu Pragmatist

Changing the subject for Captain Gardasil,
or to obfuscate RINO Perry’s
love for Islam or open borders?


104 posted on 08/20/2011 7:24:53 PM PDT by Diogenesis (No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. - Mark Twain)
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To: HerrBlucher
I've not rejected him yet, but I will if he continues to pander to La Raza, or if he is too wishy washy on this issue.

No one is going to be as bad as Bambi on this issue, but I want someone who has expressed a serious desire to solve this illegal immigration crisis, stopping the influx of illegals in their tracks.

If Perry (or any other candidate) does not show a willingness to defend our borders, he will disappoint us as much as Bush did, and right now I don't want that, simply can't handle that.

Until he proves otherwise, I'll support someone else, particularly Palin if she runs.

105 posted on 08/20/2011 7:25:18 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Arec Barrwin
There are a number of states that did a tad more on tort reform several decades back. Governor Otis Bowen of Indiana (elected in 1973 and again in 1981) brought in substantive tort and malpractice insurance reform which has been very successful. The top 5 states in terms of MEDICAL INDUSTRY are CA, TX, NY and FL. Indiana, with a fraction of the population of any of those states is #5.

That's 38 years ago ~ the issues been around a long time ~ interesting that Texas is only now cleaning up the mess, but keep at it.

106 posted on 08/20/2011 7:28:06 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Diogenesis

This isn’t even a Palin thread , but i’ll entertain your Perry attack .
Why did she quit ?

First of all she isn’t going to run, and if i’m wrong and she does run , people are not going to put money behind someone who quits when the going gets a little tough .


107 posted on 08/20/2011 7:29:30 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist (Rick Perry is the only Conservative who can defeat Romney and Obama)
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To: Arec Barrwin

You cannot get me to vote for a Democrat.


108 posted on 08/20/2011 7:30:36 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Lakeshark; HerrBlucher; RoosterRedux
I don't worry so much about whether he will look or sound like George Bush, but I am seriously worried about Perry's seeming weakness on illegal immigration. He's flirted with La Raza, shown the propensity to be an open borders guy, said he didn't like the new AZ law, and is way too close to Bush's angle on illegals for my comfort zone.
I don't just want a good candidate, I want a president I can trust in this fragile time.



Excellent post, Sharky! Are you reading my mind and much better expressing my thoughts and concerns? LOL.

Illegal immigration is a huge issue and Governor Perry's positions and record are worrisome, and he reminds me of President Bush. My mimd remains open and we have not yet begun the marathon primary season.

"Hold yer horsies" is my advice. Learn everything we can about all the candidates, partiulary the ones in the so-called lead! Let's see how it all shakes out.


We must have our Victory in 2012 and that means our TEA PARTY VICTORY!

109 posted on 08/20/2011 7:32:05 PM PDT by onyx (If you enjoy FR, support it! If you support Sarah Palin & want on her Busy Ping List, let me know.)
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To: LA Woman3

Frankly, I watched the last debate...trying to picture each candidate on the stage with The Won. It scared me silly. There is no way I think Perry is perfect...but I can see him messing with O’s mind in a big way.

My first goal this election season...retain the House and gain the Senate.

My second goal...make O look like the idiot he is.


110 posted on 08/20/2011 7:33:47 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Elendur
If you think for one minute that Rick Perry is not aware of the dangers of Islam in America, you are sadly mistaken.

Why are you picking on him?

What have the other canidates and prospective candidates done/said against Islam??

NEWSFLASH: they won't say/do anything. If they did, they know what a sh*t storm it would bring down on them!

One of them finally got the guts to go up against Islam. That was Herman Cain. After the sh*t storm desended on him, Cain appologized for his remarks about not hiring Muslims) That is the sad state of affairs re; Islam in America.

The main thing here is to get this POS Muslim/Marxist's sorry a$$ kicked out of our White House before he finishes destroying America. This election will be about growing jobs and the economy. Rick Perry is the only one with an excellent, solid record in this area- and is tough enough to go up against Obama.

111 posted on 08/20/2011 7:36:13 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: onyx; HerrBlucher; RoosterRedux

Here’s another hint, now I’m getting really worried, openborders R2D2 is at it again, I just can’t believe he said this: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2766637/posts


112 posted on 08/20/2011 7:36:39 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Neu Pragmatist

Personal pronoun “I” is capitalized.
To not do so is distracting.


113 posted on 08/20/2011 7:38:28 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: berdie
Your third goal (if you should choose to take this mission), help elect a president who has good character and instincts.

Apologies for the Mission Impossible stuff.......

114 posted on 08/20/2011 7:39:34 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark

He is full-out pandering.

Dear Lord.


115 posted on 08/20/2011 7:42:32 PM PDT by onyx (If you enjoy FR, support it! If you support Sarah Palin & want on her Busy Ping List, let me know.)
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To: All

correction; should read ‘apologized’


116 posted on 08/20/2011 7:43:00 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: CowboyJay

lol!


117 posted on 08/20/2011 7:43:18 PM PDT by South40 (Rick Perry is to conservatism what Susan Smith was to motherhood)
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To: patriot08

i am glad i have that effect on you ... not to be confused with affect ... let’s move on , shall we ?


118 posted on 08/20/2011 7:45:14 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist (Rick Perry is the only Conservative who can defeat Romney and Obama)
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To: berdie
Frankly, I watched the last debate...trying to picture each candidate on the stage with The Won. It scared me silly. There is no way I think Perry is perfect...but I can see him messing with O’s mind in a big way.
My first goal this election season...retain the House and gain the Senate.
My second goal...make O look like the idiot he is.


Exactly!! Our ultimate goal is to defeat Obama!! This election is for the survival of America as we know it!
119 posted on 08/20/2011 7:45:18 PM PDT by LA Woman3
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To: Elendur
so WHY the blinders for Perry ?
and why do you attack fellow conservatives,
who have honest questions about someone who is a pro-
Amnesty big goverment politician, who C.A.I.R. supported!

Good questions. Anyone not carrying water for RINO Rick is attacked. So be it. I'd rather be attacked for defending conservatism than be attacked for supporting RINO Rick.

120 posted on 08/20/2011 7:46:06 PM PDT by South40 (Rick Perry is to conservatism what Susan Smith was to motherhood)
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To: Lakeshark

Well, I have seen and have participated in that thread so its no shock to me. I don’t agree with Perry on that one.


121 posted on 08/20/2011 7:46:49 PM PDT by HerrBlucher ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Lakeshark

Not gonna happen Lakeshark. Why would any respectable citizen get into politics. Call me jaded, but you have to know the “game”. It is what it is.

I will now eat this message and self-destruct, lol. :)


122 posted on 08/20/2011 7:47:11 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Para-Ord.45

I’m in a wait-n-see status on Perry. I’m going to ignore all the attack stories being posted by Paultards and those trying to push Romney back to the top, and decide for myself from what I see from him over the next several weeks. The next debate or two will either solidify my support for him, or will make me rally around Bachmann or others who may still jump in. I still think Palin is going to throw her hat in, and if she does it’s a whole new ball game.


123 posted on 08/20/2011 7:47:32 PM PDT by NavyCanDo (Go Mama Grizzly! Palin 2012)
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To: berdie
Noooooooooooooooooo!

Many of our presidents have had good character, character is destiny......cough up the message before it's too late!!!

:-)

124 posted on 08/20/2011 7:50:33 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: HerrBlucher
To me, it's another indication of him being soft on one of the most important issues of our time, and there have been a lot of other indicators before this latest gaffe.

It's a huge problem. How can he think it's okay to have illegals in our armed forces at all?

125 posted on 08/20/2011 7:53:50 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: RockinRight
Palin DID quit her governorship

Yep she did, and that's public knowledge and unlike a Perry supporter I won't screech over public knowledge and facts.

Palin DOES have a 50 - 60% disapproval rating

Seriously? you want to act like a French surrender monkey over this? Maybe you should concentrate on voting for American Idol instead of American President, for goodness sakes.

Palin DID support the Bridge to Nowhere before she opposed it

Alright let me see if I've got this correct...

You are upset over the bridge to nowhere that would connect Alaskan resident to Alaska's International Airport. That would've cost $400 million dollars.

But you're A-okie-dokie with the 14.4 BILLION dollars that Rick Perry took in Stimulus to cover budget shortfalls? You're OK with the infringement to eminent domain that Rick Perry used to move his Trans-Texas corridor scheme along? Your alright with the 300 million dollars he appropriated from state tax payers to hand over to private business that funded his reelection campaign.?!?!

The list keeps going on and on...

126 posted on 08/20/2011 7:53:57 PM PDT by Tempest (Ruining the day of corporate butt kissers everywhere.)
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To: Lakeshark

Well you know I have to ask which President has not had to conpromise his character.


127 posted on 08/20/2011 7:55:03 PM PDT by berdie
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To: onyx

Sorry Onyx, but Sarah has not been tested on illegal immigration, so its an apples and oranges comparison. I guarantee you that if Sarah becomes prez (praise the Lord) she will say and do things that we are not going to like, just like Reagan did, but she will be a great President nonetheless.


128 posted on 08/20/2011 7:56:43 PM PDT by HerrBlucher ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." G.K. Chesterton)
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To: berdie
I think the better question is which presidents have had enough character to be considered great.

I'd say Reagan was our last great president with fine character.

No one is perfect (Reagan was not perfect), but good character brings out greatness.

130 posted on 08/20/2011 7:59:44 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark

I don’t know, he needs to be questioned on that. We have several months before the first primary to do that. Sarah should also be questioned on whether or not she supports it. What if she supports that idea, what will you do?


131 posted on 08/20/2011 8:03:52 PM PDT by HerrBlucher ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Holding someone to their record is an attack.

Rick Perry has exactly the same problem Romney has...his record.
Herman Cain is exponentially less flawed, as are Bachman and others. I would still like to see a dark horse enter the race, perhaps Brewer.

Under no circumstance will Romney or Perry get my vote.


132 posted on 08/20/2011 8:04:47 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: HerrBlucher
I'd be very disappointed if she became soft on illegals. Everything she's said since her first book came out tells me she's not. She says she would stop the border invasion and take it seriously, and I tend to believe that's what she would do.

It's a matter of having a good president and not just a good candidate.

133 posted on 08/20/2011 8:07:09 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark

Correction.

He was asked if he wanted the same law AZ has to be passed in TX. He did not say “I don’t like the law”. He said it was ok for AZ because they felt it fit their situation as a state. But he did not feel the exact same law would fit Texas.

But you knew that...


134 posted on 08/20/2011 8:07:42 PM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: HerrBlucher

Dont’ get me wrong, I’m not so anti-Perry as to dismiss him if he were to win and run against Bambi, but this stuff has got me a bit ticked off right now, I don’t want to support him as the GOP nominee if he’s an amnesty squish.


135 posted on 08/20/2011 8:09:30 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: txrangerette

He’s been unclear about it, and he did say he didn’t like the law for use in Texas. I have no idea why he said that (pandering?), and neither do any of us really, but it gives me pause as it should you......


136 posted on 08/20/2011 8:13:29 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark

Reagan was a great president..no doubt about it.

But his greatness was not recognized by most until many years later. Believe me, I was around for his administration, and he didn’t have loads of praise heaped on him. Even he compromised his beliefs.


137 posted on 08/20/2011 8:13:37 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Lakeshark
No one is perfect (Reagan was not perfect), but good character brings out greatness.

Character should be the most important single qualification for choosing a President.

More than anything else, we need to trust our leaders.

If you have any qualms whatsoever about trusting a person to lead the country and our troops in a war, they shouldn't be President.

138 posted on 08/20/2011 8:16:11 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: berdie

Agreed, but by the end of his presidency I thought he would become known as the greatest president of the twentieth century. I still believe that.


139 posted on 08/20/2011 8:16:25 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark

Hmmmm, maybe because the Feds put the cease and desist on Az law? I like the Az law, but in the last few days The Won granted back door amnesty, didn’t he?


140 posted on 08/20/2011 8:19:06 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Lakeshark

Perry needs to make his case, no question about that. At least he is not hiding his ideas about this very controversial issue, and can now be questioned on the campaign trail. I trust the tea party will do just that.


141 posted on 08/20/2011 8:20:15 PM PDT by HerrBlucher ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Tempest

Gotta look at the whole record, plus the plans for their Presidency, plus, the chance of actually winning the election.

Perry:

Record - not perfect, but overall, 85/100
Plans - none specific, but if similar to his book, let’s say 90/100
Electability vs. Obama - 90/100

Palin:

Record - 90/100
Plans - based on her general statements - 90/100
Electability vs. Obama - 50/100

Perry wins this 3-part exam.


142 posted on 08/20/2011 8:21:30 PM PDT by RockinRight (The ObamAA+ Downgrade)
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To: Para-Ord.45
I don't believe Karl Rove has any personal grudges against Perry or any other Republican. He only cares about a Republican winning first, last and always. He's a stone cold strategy guy and pettiness is nowhere in his personality.

He was right about Christine O'Donnell and Sharron Angle and it was nothing personal. He just knew they could be beaten in races that should have been automatic GOP pick-ups.

He's not desperate to go back to the White House and be further demonized. The constant Democrat attacks destroyed his marriage, cost him a personal fortune in legal costs and make him subject to assaults and harassment every time he appears in public.

143 posted on 08/20/2011 8:21:45 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: berdie

And as much as I respect Reagan...he granted amnesty.


144 posted on 08/20/2011 8:22:35 PM PDT by berdie
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To: muawiyah

Having been a Democrat in Texas does not equal being a RINO.

Just because Reagan did not run for office when he was a young man, like Perry did when he was a young man and a Texas Democrat, does not mean anything against Rick Perry.

When I was young it was almost unheard of to run in TX as anything but a Democrat. What precious few Republicans there were did not come from Perry’s area. They came from North Central Texas or around Houston and were from suburbia. The hinterlands were solid, solid Democrat because that was their tradition. Republicans were associated with Reconstruction after the Civil War and with Herbert Hoover.

That is just the truth. You want to rewrite history. The history Rick Perry lived and the geography of his upbringing makes his unfolding political story make perfect sense.

There is Phil Gramm who helped Reagan pass his bills while still a Democrat, then he became a Republican. He represented rural TX.

There is Ralph Hall who for many, many years served as a Democrat Congressman from TX, who had the single most conservative voting record in Congress of 100 percent, year after year after year. When the Dems became so radicalized in DC, Ralph Hall finally switched to Republican when an elderly man with snow white hair. He still serves today way into his 80s. He voted against the debt ceiling bill.

You are pretty sharp most of the time, but on this you are not into reality on the topic. Your head is above the clouds and not down on ground level where these people actually lived and still do.


145 posted on 08/20/2011 8:24:05 PM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: HerrBlucher
I hope they do, so far I find him untrustworthy on this issue, which is why I hope we find someone else. I'll be listening, we'll hear what he has to say and how he defends his past (and present) pandering.

Gots to go hit the hay, thanks for the back and forth.

146 posted on 08/20/2011 8:27:29 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: don-o; PMAS
maybe Rove and the others want Palin to get in the race so Perry and Palin split the conservatives and Romney wins the nomination.

That's what I am thinking. And Sarah can understand this as well.


Actually, it's Rick Perry that needs to understand this an let the better conservative and better candidate move ahead. Once Sarah jumps in the race, he needs to drop out.
147 posted on 08/20/2011 8:30:12 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Arec Barrwin; muawiyah
It’s forgivable. And he’s going to win. Romney is too liberal. Bachmann isn’t a credible candidate. And Palin isn’t running.

So face it - you’ll be voting for Perry in 15 months, so get on the Perry express now.


Nope, he's not even going to make to the finish line of the Primaries.

His lousy unconservative positions on Illegal Immigration, his signing a Hate Crimes bill, his Big-Government Nanny-State Guardisil problem, his Eminent Domain issues with TTC, etc does not and will not play well with the base.

Once Sarah announces, Rick Perry will start fading away fast.

If I were you, I'd get with a real winner, and a real conservative's Train, the Sarah Palin Train!
148 posted on 08/20/2011 8:33:51 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: berdie
And as much as I respect Reagan...he granted amnesty.

Yes, he did, and regretted, as told by Michael Reagan, as his worst political mistake.

You see his Amnesty included tough provisions against employers and future Illegal Immigrants that were never enforced.

That amnesty didn't do a thing to move hispanics to the GOP, absolutely nothing.

And yet Perry, with his strong support for Comprehensive Immigration Reform, his positions against E-Verify, AZ1070, a Border Fence, etc. seems determined to repeat the same mistakes that he should have learned from Reagans mistake.

Why?
149 posted on 08/20/2011 8:37:25 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: onyx

Thx much!


150 posted on 08/20/2011 8:37:40 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
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