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On the Nature of the Perry Attacks
http://www.redstate.com ^ | Saturday, August 20th | Erick Erickson

Posted on 08/20/2011 4:50:00 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45

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To: PMAS; Para-Ord.45
I doubt Karl Rove and the other establishment Repubs are in Palin’s camp either, maybe Rove and the others want Palin to get in the race so Perry and Palin split the conservatives and Romney wins the nomination.

And we have a winner!!! Photobucket

151 posted on 08/20/2011 8:38:15 PM PDT by Doofer ("If debt is the problem, how is more debt the solution"?)
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To: Logical me
Especially these left-wing posters

Governor Rick Perry speaks to La Raza


152 posted on 08/20/2011 8:39:56 PM PDT by Fred ('Just cus I said it, don't mean I meant it'....Obamaism)
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To: Lakeshark

Actually, at the end of any 8 year presidency,,every one is singing...

“Thank God and Greyhound he’s gone.”

He was great, but appreciation was delayed.


153 posted on 08/20/2011 8:41:11 PM PDT by berdie
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To: onyx
My approach sometimes is to look at the vacuum created by the incumbent (Obama's vacuum is like no other) and then to measure the relative manner in which an opponent fills that void.

Having read some background on the candidates, it seems to me (yes, it's a bit early) that Perry has both the campaign ingenuity and the experience to come out ahead of others in giving Obama a real headache.

And then there is the matter of the country. Whether we like it or not, the fate of the country (that's us) hangs in the balance. We need a champion that can take it back NOW.

I will fight tooth and nail for anyone who can bring down Obama. ANYONE (who loves America).

If we can save the country, we can then move it to the right.

154 posted on 08/20/2011 8:49:37 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: HerrBlucher; onyx
Sorry Onyx, but Sarah has not been tested on illegal immigration, so its an apples and oranges comparison. I guarantee you that if Sarah becomes prez (praise the Lord) she will say and do things that we are not going to like, just like Reagan did, but she will be a great President nonetheless.

Sorry, but you are about only 1/3 correct on that.
Sarah has already clarified her position on a Border wall, and on internal enforcement at the State level, i.e. AZ1070.

Both of which Rick Perry has come out against.

What surprises me is that a so-called strong supporter of the 10th Amendment like Rick Perry is supposed to be came out against something so logically effective as AZ1070. Something that the Supreme Court has already partially said was constitutional.

Rick has also come out against E-Verify, part of AZ1070.

Sarah needs to completely clarifiy her position on what to do with thos already here, i.e. normalizing their immigration status by Comprehensive Immigration Reform, A.K.A. Amnesty. She has started down that road but needs to complete the clarification.

Rick, on the other hand, has already clarified his position, he is for Comprehensive Immigration Reform, he has stated this already.
155 posted on 08/20/2011 9:04:55 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Arec Barrwin

It’s forgivable. And Fred going to win. Giuliani is too liberal. Romney is too slick. Huckabee isn’t a credible candidate. And McCain isn’t sticking around.

So face it - you’ll be voting for Fred Thompson in 15 months, so get on the Fred express now.


156 posted on 08/20/2011 9:06:19 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: SoConPubbie

I really can’t answer for Perry, but I can tell you my thoughts on why he might think the way he does.

Perry is a politician. I don’t deem him to be anything else. I live in Texas..we have a very large Hispanic population. If anyone thinks he will do anything to alienate that base, you might want to think twice. Hence the Dream Act nonsense that I totally disagree with. But it was supported by the legislature. And so far the Dems have lost.

E-Verify is a joke. Yep...you can call and find out if a ss number is valid. If not, you can inform the person. You cannot not hire them..or fire them. YET..the employer is at risk for hiring illegals.

The Texas Border really does not lend itself to a fence. Lots of rough terrain. Besides..in reality, that is a function of the federal government.

I fear there will never be any kind of provisions to stop this. If there is a candidate running today that actually has a plan..who is it? (no way they will alienate what small portion of the Hispanic vote they might get).


157 posted on 08/20/2011 9:09:48 PM PDT by berdie
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To: All

Perry has both good and bad qualities, but he’s not the most conservative candidate - we CAN do better!


158 posted on 08/20/2011 9:21:11 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: muawiyah

No one’s asking you to. But nice try.


159 posted on 08/20/2011 9:23:46 PM PDT by Arec Barrwin
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To: Diogenesis

Love for Islam? Prove it.


160 posted on 08/20/2011 9:24:29 PM PDT by Arec Barrwin
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To: SoConPubbie

One problem with your analysis - she isn’t running.


161 posted on 08/20/2011 9:27:11 PM PDT by Arec Barrwin
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To: SoConPubbie
I am hopelessly too far behind in pings today and it's very late, so now I'm tired.

I find this Governor Perry news from today, both troublesome and worrisome:

Rick Perry: Illegal Immigrants Who Serve In The Military Deserve Citizenship

Good night, everyone!

Prayers for all!

162 posted on 08/20/2011 10:22:57 PM PDT by onyx (If you enjoy FR, support it! If you support Sarah Palin & want on her Busy Ping List, let me know.)
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To: RockinRight

Perry

Record: Talk 90% action 40%
Plans: Talk 90% action 40%
electability vs. Obama: 90%

Palin: Since her talk matches here actions she only needs one score.
Record:90%
Plans: 90%
Electabilty Vs. Obama 90%

The point that you’re missing is that Obama much like Perry has a record of complete failure. Obama’s poll number keep droping as more people are forced to face reality and as reality become more inevitable Obama’s chances will fade. It’s not about who Obama will be ruining against. it’s about how Obama is going to stop the course of self implosion in which he’s currently on.


163 posted on 08/20/2011 11:25:32 PM PDT by Tempest (Ruining the day of corporate butt kissers everywhere.)
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To: Diogenesis
They're a bunch of soft cowards to be intimidated by Palin.

They are such embarrassments.

164 posted on 08/20/2011 11:32:23 PM PDT by Tempest (Ruining the day of corporate butt kissers everywhere.)
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To: muawiyah

“You cannot get me to vote for a Democrat” (re Perry)

I remember when McCain got the nomination I told my family I absolutely would not vote for him. I mean I truly loathed the man for many reasons. When it came time to vote, I of course did vote for him because I knew not doing so was going to get a much more dangerous man into the White House.

Personally, I have not made a decision on who I like the most for the republican ticket. I am hoping it is someone that is conservative and not afraid to do what’s necessary to rid us of all things Obama.

I think we all want our country represented by someone that loves America for a change. I think for those that want a particular candidate to win the nomination—do everything you can to help them win. But in the end, we get nowhere by not voting for whoever gets on the republican ticket. Not voting for the republican or voting 3rd party is truly a vote for Obama. We can all agree that another Obama term would be the worst possible outcome.


165 posted on 08/20/2011 11:50:18 PM PDT by Reb Raider
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To: berdie
E-Verify is a joke. Yep...you can call and find out if a ss number is valid. If not, you can inform the person. You cannot not hire them..or fire them. YET..the employer is at risk for hiring illegals.

Yeah, I've heard similiar excuses from Perry Apologists for a border-fence, apparently, if something doesn't work 100% stopping Illegals, then it is a joke and should just be thrown away.

Seems Perry supporters, in their efforts to cover-up their candidates full-scale Open-Border positions will dream up every non-logical excuse possible.

You see, E-Verify by itself will not work, but used in conjunction with a state law like AZ1070 that couples E-Verify with reporting and making it lawful NOT to hire the person, coupled with the requirement that LEOs follow-up on the potential employee and arrest and turn over to the Feds would work.

Perry supporters are legendary for finding excuses for their less-than conservative candidate.
166 posted on 08/21/2011 12:13:24 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: berdie
The Texas Border really does not lend itself to a fence. Lots of rough terrain. Besides..in reality, that is a function of the federal government.

I fear there will never be any kind of provisions to stop this. If there is a candidate running today that actually has a plan..who is it? (no way they will alienate what small portion of the Hispanic vote they might get).


More excuses from a Perry supporter, I'm shocked, I tell ya!

We have sent men to the moon and you give me the cowardly excuse that the border of Texas doesn't lend itself to a fence?

Same kind of cowardly crap of an excuse that Perry gives for his every Open-Border position and word.

Just like your candidate, the only conclusion I can gather from your excuses is that Illegal Immigration isn't really an issue with you, you must not really want to solve the issue.
167 posted on 08/21/2011 12:16:48 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

The Texas border is 1200 miles of river. The Rio Grande winds back and forth. A fence is straight, cutting off homes, ranch and farm land, and livestock from owners and water.


168 posted on 08/21/2011 12:20:44 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: SoConPubbie

I am no coward. Illegal immigration is a huge deal.

But I asked..who has a plan?

I seldom look at where posters are located, but I had to with you. Looks like you are in Cali..a lovely state. I was going to post our border miles, but I think you really don’t care. Look at a map. Cal’s border is miniscule compared to Texas or Arizona. Then look at the terrain. Most of the tunnels built under “walls” are in Cal, aren’t they? How many sanctuary cities do you have? Why is your population leaving?

Until you have a politician (you may have a few) that can offer a solution, maybe you should’nt attack Texas or Texas politicians.


169 posted on 08/21/2011 12:45:22 AM PDT by berdie
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To: Tempest
Rick Perry's worst bogeyman is HIS OWN RECORD!

Impossible to avoid with a 10 year record as governor.

Let's pick someone without an executive record. That worked to get Obama elected, right? /s

Even Palin only has a short record to run on with more "fuzzy" statements on immigration than policy actions on the issue.

We need to keep perspective on Perry along with the rest so we don't end up having imagined a great candidate who isn't and handing him or her the nomination.

170 posted on 08/21/2011 12:47:06 AM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: hocndoc

Thanks for those facts doc.


171 posted on 08/21/2011 12:47:30 AM PDT by berdie
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To: Arec Barrwin

Your proof:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2764459/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2764368/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2764581/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2766609/posts


172 posted on 08/21/2011 2:03:43 AM PDT by MestaMachine (If the truth hurts, prepare yourself for a LOT of pain.)
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To: newzjunkey
We need to keep perspective on Perry along with the rest so we don't end up having imagined a great candidate who isn't and handing him or her the nomination.

True, that. We need to start just comparing the candidates on the issues, especially their track records. It's one thing to say something a year before the election campaigning, the question is whether their past records indicate this is a core belief they will act upon.

It is way too early to start the bot bit, we can save the pep rally for the general. For now, let's vett these people, warts and all.

Anyone who won't look at the negatives (and all the candidates have them), isn't paying attention.

That's how we all got saddled with the current mess in the white hut, and we don't need more of the same from either side.

173 posted on 08/21/2011 2:45:55 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Para-Ord.45

I am glad this was written. I don’t like what I have been seeing in the attacks on Perry from Repulicans when the real enemy is in the WH. If Sarah does not run I would easily vote for Perry and be happy about it.


174 posted on 08/21/2011 5:13:33 AM PDT by Katarina (God bless ElRushbo! Prayers for our troops! I stand with Israel.)
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To: Reb Raider
All we need do is make sure our own candidate is NOT a Democrat.

We'll get to that fork in the road when it comes time.

175 posted on 08/21/2011 5:34:35 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: patriot08
More and more people have these trim-line style MacIntosh keyboards ~ that is a recurring problem with them.

Frankly, it's disturbing that America's richest company doesn't really care enough to give us the very best.

176 posted on 08/21/2011 5:39:36 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Katarina

For the past several years here on FR Texas is always been held up as the best state for just about everything. Well, Perry has been the governor of that state for the past decade and I would vote for him for President in a heartbeat. This election is about the economy and restoring America. I have no doubt that Rick Perry loves this country and will do everything he can to make it a business friendly environment once again. That’s what matters - jobs, jobs, jobs. Perry has delivered on that front in Texas. If he doesn’t stand by conservative principles once elected to higher office, he too can be voted out in four.


177 posted on 08/21/2011 5:50:46 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: MrEdd

As usual we have more than our fair share of RINOs and Leftwingtards trying for the Republican nomination.


178 posted on 08/21/2011 6:00:27 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: icanhasbailout

Perry says he make the Federal Government ‘inconsequential to our lives’. I have just one question, is he telling the truth on this promise. If yes, I’m on board. If no, bring on Sarah. Yeah.


179 posted on 08/21/2011 10:06:58 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

I simply do not believe that someone who could mandate that every 12-year-old female in his state be forced to take an experimental drug has the proper instincts to fulfill that promise.

It is the right sentiment but he is the wrong person to do it.


180 posted on 08/21/2011 10:34:22 AM PDT by icanhasbailout (Some people would believe Karl Marx was conservative if he had good hair and ran on the GOP ticket)
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To: muawiyah

What are you talking about? :)


181 posted on 08/21/2011 11:46:20 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: icanhasbailout
You could argue 'federalism', that the state has more authority over public health than the Federal government.

I don't enough yet to judge.

182 posted on 08/21/2011 4:24:46 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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