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Movie: The Help -- designed to incite violence
Movie: The Help ^

Posted on 08/22/2011 6:05:46 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

This movie, "The Help" has been written, filmed and distributed with the sole purpose of inciting violence at a politically fragil time in this country. Yes, some of the events in the movie occurred, but it is nowhere representative of society as a whole.

As a matter of fact, the historical background of a lot of leading Democrats would tie directly to this film, but getting the general public to notice that at this time would be futile. Some unbelievably emotional scenes exist in this movie to denigrate white society to the fullest.

I can not believe the timing of the release of this film. The primary "evil" white woman character could very easily be a young Nancy Pelosi. Whoever has decided to release such a film at this time into a politically-charged environment bears a LOT of responsibility for the effects.


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To: GOP Poet

They had a good editor who saw the potential of the book when others couldn’t. She saw the author’s gift and made a masterpiece out of the book. And don’t discount the work of the copyeditors. This book was just about flawless, making it extremely easy to read. Book publishing is doing well these days because of such talented people, among other factors.


101 posted on 08/22/2011 10:39:12 PM PDT by firebrand (Why didn't they impeach him? He's now totally out of control.)
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To: Winstons Julia

I hear you. The people that see all color and it’s dividing lines are Democrats. It is sad how the liberals have skewed reality. They say the greatest manipulation is to accuse others of what one is themselves doing. This is the great case of the liberals. Sadly many have listened to their lying dribble.


102 posted on 08/23/2011 12:10:31 AM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: firebrand

If you know a (or more) great editor(s) please, please send me their info. :).


103 posted on 08/23/2011 12:12:51 AM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: SuziQ

I am sure the author would love what you said that about hearing the dialects and accents. She said for her the cadences of the dialogue/dialect were so important to hear as she wrote them. She could hear them deep inside of her as she wrote. What a great perception you have to enjoyed that additional layer to the book withe the audio :).


104 posted on 08/23/2011 12:19:38 AM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: pnz1

Well it is tough to know as all the names have been changed :). We don’t want anyone to get sued now do we? Lol. Yes. She is not yet done with the south. So who knows if a character or two may pop up again along the way . :). Doubtful her next book but maybe the one after. Sometime subject matter doesn’t fully allow for full disclosure though.


105 posted on 08/23/2011 12:24:41 AM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: Kitten1

Thank you so very much for sharing this story. Yours is such a great example of the mutual help that was given and the responsibility that was undertaken for ‘the help’ for the dedicated and loving work they provided for the family.

They were not family, but the responsibility did fall upon the families to provide fully for them for their work and service. This is something on both sides that is often not discussed or honored. Appreciate so much your story.


106 posted on 08/23/2011 12:31:52 AM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I was born in the late 40s and I grew up in New Orleans and Florida. We always had “help” and so did most of the families of our friends and family. We weren’t nasty or snobby to them and anyone who was ever in our employ was treated well and paid well. No areas of the house was off limits.

The lady to whom I was the closest and the one who worked for us the longest came when I was about four years old and was with us until I was twenty one. She was truly a part of the family. When I was nine and my father died, she cried with us at his funeral and many years later, when she died prematurely, my mom and I cried at her’s. She was a perfect fit for our family in every way.

I haven’t seen the movie yet, but I plan to do so.


107 posted on 08/23/2011 3:14:40 AM PDT by Mila
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To: colorado tanker

Exactly, and IMHO our best counter is the truth.All we have to do is tell what is actually going on,how the pendulum has swung and reasonable people will do reasonable things hopefully.


108 posted on 08/23/2011 3:28:06 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: liberty or death
All the while their children go to private schools protected from the misery created by their parents.

You got that exactly right.

109 posted on 08/23/2011 4:51:12 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Maybe they are trying to destroy the uppity TEA party by “nudging” them with a sharp elbow? Maybe they want to encourage flash mobs so that someone white decides to restore sanity by “discouraging” a flash mob with gunfire?

Nudge nudge
EDITORIAL: Obama: Whites need not apply
Liberals don’t want our government to mirror our society

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/19/obama-whites-need-not-apply/


110 posted on 08/23/2011 5:07:30 AM PDT by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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To: listenhillary
Maybe they want to encourage flash mobs so that someone white decides to restore sanity by “discouraging” a flash mob with gunfire?

Several ways exist to humorously disperse a flash mob. If someone REALLY wanted to know how, they can PM me. :)

111 posted on 08/23/2011 6:04:42 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
I posted these rants non this book and movie the other day here given my loose personal connection to some of the characters...it should be mentioned that a few of my fellow Mississippians do not share my negative view of it all...for differing reasons...either too young to remember it as I do or remember class distinction negativity more painfully than do I

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I shudder to think about how Obama loving ..now totally northernized Kathryn Stockett ..the darling of the Atlantic crowd actually treats where I grew up.
My grandfather was a contemporary of her grandfather's and I duck hunted at the Caldwell place in Sidon Miss for over a decade as a teen with her dad Robert.
I can tell you having being surrounded by black help too as a boy that we did not treat our help that way at all and I doubt Robert Sr or Jr did either.

She makes a big deal about separate staff bathrooms and dishes...anyone here every been in a Manhattan mansion...I have...same thing...The Biltmore..same thing...Newport...same thing. Same thing about it's so awful to call them maids or help...geezuss how silly...I guess housekeeper is so much sweeter and all..like stewardess versus flight attendant..same job.
We have folks who come clean out house every two weeks...we have nothing for staff like that but were it a huge house it might come with it.
Kathryn Stockett moved to New York with serious issues with mom and dad who divorced and her brother who finds her a cultural traitor and wrote a book she thought would endear her to her new world and it worked.

I have read enough of the book to know it's just another “bad South” piece of tripe meant to make folks feel morally superior.
Not sure how the movie is but I can only imagine...I have heard black political groups feel it's not damning of whites enough and makes black men look bad.
Whatever..I'm over it...you the think the Old South was bad...come to Jackson proper now and enjoy...check out how all is now so much better since evil white folks have been driven from power there. It's a veritable paradise over on Lynch street. or Delta Drive

Sorry...not your fault...I just take this one personally...an honest movie about the transition of the South the past 50 years would be refreshing but will never happen...you are either gonna get this crap or Black Snake Moan or some other tripe...Steel Magnolias..though a chick flick was non offensive except for casting Olympia Dukakis

I read an interview with Robert Jr (lawyer and retired real estate guy who was very gutsy visionary sort) about his daughter Kathryn and her book...he wondered how could she write with such knowledge about something she based 10 years before her birth and that after she spent almost 20 years in Manhattan that she was a New Yorker now and “not one of us anymore”. When asked if he had her phone number, he said “no”. Kathryn now lives in Atlanta with her maiden name married with one kid to some computer guy from up north..ironic the name thing..estranged but keeps the name. Her family was never Klan...that woulda been so stupid...no way...they were many social rungs above that..her grandfather may have joined the Citizen's Council...not sure..many rich men did.

One of the maids is suing Kathryn for using her as an inspiration with no credit and her brother..a lawyer..is supposedly behind it...bad blood there...in that family. I don't know her..she was child when I was a mid teen and up..but her dad was nice enough and I participated in their wagon rides they had in the fall and everyone knew who they were because they had owned all the bottomland in downtown Jackson and the Interstate and fairgrounds and state bldgs and hotels came in and made them rich...folks knew her parents were estranged and her mom was beautiful but spirited and ..hmmm..hard to keep home at night...it's not easy to say really..anyhow...The Help comes from that..it's complicated but it's just comes across to me as another denunciation of a way of life I grew up with written for a purpose and feeds right into folks who believe these myths...myths designed to make them feel superior in their homogeneous enclaves outside the south and relieve whatever misplaced guilt those in the South harbor..obviously not me.

Where I grew up...folks who were nasty to their help were frowned upon...and I never once heard of sexual harassment of a black maid...lord they were usually rotund and excellent cooks...ridiculous but hardly sex objects to anyone this side of Tallulah Bankhead
This is a post I have meant to write over this book...not directed at you as a flame naps. I though about doing a thread on it to rant.

Rich folks everywhere with serious staff have separate bathrooms and often kitchens too ...it's not a race thing.
It's just a separation especially if they are live ins and works better really...gives them their private quarters.

We did not have that but my grandfather did...but no one would refuse them food or water on the fine china.

I don't have illusions either...especially now. I know this...however bad it was then...black culture was intact...black illegitimacy was only 20%...black crime and corruption was negligible except on Farish streets on Saturday nites..and I could have my car break down any where and all the city was safe.

Today it has all fallen apart.

It's difficult to judge really how much better is progress. We were never truly segregated and now we are not fully integrated...Jackson has resegregated with richer blacks joining whites on the perimeter or in pockets of the Northeast holdouts.

Every year exponentially more whites murdered or raped etc by blacks than the total of all blacks killed during everything from Reconstruction thru Jim Crow

so what did we really gain?

a clearer conscience..mine was fine already after New York

or a larger black middle class that votes for entitlements after decades of pundits assuring us that once opportunity and education gave them this they would adopt out values

hell they shared our values more when they were oppressed.

I never thought it would turn out like this...it's a very mixed bag and the future is grim.

Right now my kinfolks who stayed in Clinton are trying to get out because they see where it's headed...down...they don't know whether to go to Raymond or Madison...maybe down below Terry...

helluva way to live....it's like South Africa..staying ahead of the blight

112 posted on 08/23/2011 7:31:25 AM PDT by wardaddy (I support Bachmann...or Palin should she enter...but I am not a Palin Harpy...know the difference)
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To: GOP Poet

SIXTY? Wow. That’s incredible. It might be the best novel I’ve read in a long time, and I read a lot.


113 posted on 08/23/2011 7:43:29 AM PDT by agrace
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To: wardaddy
Thank you so much for your first-hand account. I am so tired of the lies and innuendo by the liberal left. They distort EVERYTHING and people swallow it like chocolate pie. Anyway, when I saw the film, the obvious political angle immediately caught my attention.

I do believe we are in an outright propaganda war coming from Hollywood and the media. So many people simply do not get it.

114 posted on 08/23/2011 7:52:20 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Got to get proficient shooting with one hand while leaning on the walker with the other.


115 posted on 08/23/2011 7:54:41 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: BufordP
You don't think Ablene Cooper is entitled to her privacy?

I don't know how anyone, except those she told about it, would have known she was connected in any way, had she not filed the complaint.

I always assumed the characters were based, somewhat, on maids that either the author, or someone she knows, had known.

116 posted on 08/23/2011 8:41:28 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: TheConservativeParty
It had a few good laughs, but only as it painted all white people as horrible racists.

Not ALL the white characters were racists, unless the movie was COMPLETELY different than the book, which, from what others have said, is not the case. Maybe you simply projected your own feelings onto the movie; you EXPECTED a film hating whitey, so that's what you saw.

117 posted on 08/23/2011 8:45:54 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Blood of Tyrants
In the 60s in the south the majority of people were Democrats and the KKK and the elite were pretty much exclusively Democrats.

Oh, that cannot be true. /s

118 posted on 08/23/2011 9:02:49 AM PDT by Mr.Unique (Very generic, non-offensive, tagline.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

It’s been out for 2 weeks, no violence. I think you’re reading into things.


119 posted on 08/23/2011 9:08:45 AM PDT by discostu (keep on keeping on)
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To: SuziQ
I don't know how anyone, except those she told about it, would have known she was connected in any way...

Is that the standard? You have no claim if you're a nobody? Non-celebrities need not apply?

120 posted on 08/23/2011 9:48:31 AM PDT by BufordP ("Drink me if you can't take a joke." -- Kool-aid)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin; SaraJohnson; Outlaw Woman
My post #35 mentioned slightly wrongly the film hero- Billy Jack, not Billy Joe. He kicked and smashed "rednecks" all very tempting of course to build up hatred in the audience for his victims.

Since then I was informed that in the film, "The Help" the figure was drawn of a haughty, snooty upper class white female. It seems that if she did not like her servants, she fired them. Further to that, she spread rumours that they had stolen from her- a sort of "blacklist" no doubt.

If this is wrong, I stand to be corrected. In Orwell's 1984, a hate figure was created. Anyone who was wrongly accused of theft, knows the inner agony of that. The snooty woman is the usual "hate figure". Just the same as in the film "Edge of the City" (1957) with Poitier, Cassavetes and Warden. A white man played by Warden, was the most loathsome piece of human debris.

This is what the left does best. They portrayed William Jennings Bryan in the film about the Scopes trial, as a bible punching bigot. Which was likely a bunch of biased nonsense.

121 posted on 08/23/2011 9:59:38 AM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: Peter Libra

I knew you meant Billy Jack.

To the rest of your post it is spot on. We could probably post an endless list of movies where the left has held up a specific type (white, racist, snob etc), a specific situation (wealthy)as something to loathe; to hate; to ridicule. So many of these movies are exremely well and accomplish the goal of emotional manipulation and also to ‘stigmitize’ whatever the target is.

Look at the Civil Rights type movies. It’s always unbridled hatred and visciousness by ALL whites. It’s always implied that ALL whites were racist when nothing could be further from the truth.

Anyway, I used Billy Jack as an example because I can remember vividly the anger, not only in me but the entire threater audience (consisting of other teens and young 20 somethings). It was intentional manipulation on a mass scale.

Since seeing Billy Jack again (about 10 yrs ago), I saw just how poor the acting was and how cheaply it was made. But at the time of its release, it accomplished its goal of angering an already alienated generation.


122 posted on 08/23/2011 10:24:38 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Palin/Perry 2012)
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To: BufordP

My point is that her reputation wouldn’t necessarily be harmed, because no one, other than her closest friends, would have known about her.


123 posted on 08/23/2011 12:24:42 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Peter Libra

Yes, it was a snooty upper class white woman who caused the problems for the maid that she fired. I don’t see a problem; there are snooty white women in the world who might do that even today. But in the book, there were other white women who weren’t like her, so it’s not a broad brush against all white people.


124 posted on 08/23/2011 12:28:59 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: AppyPappy

Same here.

In the north Atlanta suburb where we lived there was an outcry over the “maid bus” a special run that brought the maids to work and home every day. The black leadership of Atl said that it was racist because it benefited rich white people. However the maids came forward to defend the bus because they needed it to get to their JOBS. Jabbing at rich whitey was more important to the black leadership than employment for “their people”.


125 posted on 08/23/2011 12:50:28 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: SuziQ
Your quote:

But in the book, there were other white women who weren't like her, so it's not a broad brush against all white people.

Yes, absolutely agree with you.

Point was that I was trying to make, is that in these films there is always the one absolute nasty person who is white. At one time (to inject some humour here), I read a complaint by a black actor that he could not get a part to play an evil heavy. The black person got parts as almost a saintly persecuted or misunderstood individual. No doubt true to life at one time. Perhaps that is changing though.

126 posted on 08/23/2011 1:06:23 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: Peter Libra
I don't have a knee-jerk reaction to the bad whitey portrayal. Some white folks is just MEAN! ;o)

We just got back from seeing the movie. It's as good as I thought it would be. LOVED Minnie; she reminded me of my cousin, Debbie. Hubby recognized some parts of his hometown, and we hope to check out some of the locales when we go for his 40th high school reunion later this year!

127 posted on 08/23/2011 5:54:17 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: TheConservativeParty

The abortion issue is I guess where I stray from most of y’all around here. Who is killing their babies? It ain’t the conservatives, it is the mindless drones. If they want to slaughter their offspring, why should I try and stop them? It plays into my hands, politically.

I’m not Christian, so all those poor defenseless infants don’t have the same meaning to me. I hate to be cold, but if the idiots want to kill their next generation, it is not a good thing but it doesn’t break my heart. They will pay for those decisions when they meet their rewards in the afterlife. I don’t agree with them that it is a right, but it ain’t no skin off my neck.

None of my lib friends kill their fetuses, they bear them all into this life. There is a difference between somebody who is liberal and somebody who is a murderer of innocents. To me at least. The murderers will pay for what they have done. These are not my lib friends. These are convenience killers, the lives of what they have produced are no more to them than a half an hour under sedation.

My lib friends don’t do stoopid stuff like that. They may agree with taxing the rich and the idiotic environazi agenda, but they don’t kill their own seed.

For what it’s worth.


128 posted on 08/23/2011 7:11:53 PM PDT by West Texas Chuck (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. That should be a convenience store, not a Government Agency.)
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To: I see my hands

I agree with you more than you know. And as always, my opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it.


129 posted on 08/23/2011 7:18:58 PM PDT by West Texas Chuck (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. That should be a convenience store, not a Government Agency.)
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To: SuziQ
I don't have a knee-jerk reaction to the bad whitey portrayal. Some white folks is just MEAN;o)

I have just received a first hand account from my spouse about the book. She was quite informative about Minnie and her departing quickly before the lady of the house's husband came home . She will see the movie this Sunday with my daughter. It is nice to get your views on this. Any way things have improved vastly in these kind of situations. My spouse says it is a story about the abuse of power by one person.

Oprah has lots of white folks working for her. You will have to be patient with some of us. I will still stick to my original views however.

Free Republic great to have divergent opinions without getting upset at another opinion.

130 posted on 08/23/2011 7:21:02 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: TheConservativeParty

I loved the movie. It’s about my hometown. I have known plenty of racist white people in my life. Family members. Teachers. Neighbors. (lived in a neighborhood with a neighborhood covenant—no selling of house to blacks. when someone broke the covenant in the early 1990s, the neighbors couldn’t sell their houses fast enough.) I’ve also known plenty of people who treated everyone with dignity and respect no matter their skin color or physical condition. I am so thankful to have known those people.


131 posted on 08/23/2011 7:31:35 PM PDT by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: GOP Poet

Hubby and I went to see the movie and loved it. It’s so funny to me to read the posts on Facebook of “society ladies” of today who look down on the “society ladies” of the 60s. But that has nothing to do with my point for this post. My family has been living outside of the deep South for some time. Daughter is attending school now at one of the major universities of the very same South. It was soooooo wonderful to take her “home” and to experience the good manners and hospitality of everyone we encountered. White, black, whoever were wonderful.


132 posted on 08/23/2011 7:44:13 PM PDT by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: pnz1

Well, the maids continued to be maids. And the children they raised grew up to attend private schools, Ole Miss, and to have children of their own who may or may not have been raised by maids. Those children also attended private schools and Ole Miss.

The black children attended schools via busing. The lucky ones were bused out of their neighborhoods to fancy white neighborhoods. The schools they attended quickly became a majority black because the white children were pulled out of public schools and put into private schools. You know, the black children had diseases and would leave those diseases on the toilets. /sarcasm Now Jackson is predominantly black because all of the monied persons have left the city to populate the surrounding towns/counties. There are similar stories in other areas of the country.


133 posted on 08/23/2011 8:04:53 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: Peter Libra
My spouse says it is a story about the abuse of power by one person.

For the purposes of the story, she's right. Hilly is the "Queen Bee", and the ladies of the Junior League who want to be accepted by her, know they cross her at their peril. There's a definite societal stratification going on, not just a race thing, though that is most prevalent here, simply because all of the 'help' is black in early 60s Mississippi.

134 posted on 08/24/2011 5:18:07 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
My point is that her reputation wouldn’t necessarily be harmed, because no one, other than her closest friends, would have known about her.

Conjecture on my part but since Stockett was the sister to the man Ablene worked for, she felt a fair enough group of people knew who the character in the book was about and it embarrassed her. I'm certainly not going to decide how many people have to know before one is sufficiently embarrassed to sue in court.

135 posted on 08/24/2011 9:11:32 AM PDT by BufordP ("Drink me if you can't take a joke." -- Kool-aid)
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To: wardaddy

Wonderful, honest post.

Here is a black blogger who has no use for the book, its author, or the movie. he sees the movie as manipulative and exploitative:

http://acriticalreviewofthehelp.wordpress.com/2011/02/26/thankyou-ablene-cooper/


136 posted on 09/03/2011 6:50:52 PM PDT by Palladin (Sarah: Are you gonna fish or cut bait?)
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To: GatorGirl

The movie WAS political. It was about the laws that were active in the State of Mississippi at the time. Awful laws. Segragation laws, apparently based on hatred of the black-skinned person. The government was the lead dog on this, and the sheeply Democrats (and I presume others), were the actors on the stage. A stage play of hatred, and treating others as you would NOT treat a white person.

It was a ghastly film, about a horrid time in our history. I saw it last night, and wanted to walk out. Very painful.


137 posted on 09/05/2011 1:27:55 PM PDT by SnarlinCubBear (Sarcasma - Comforting relief from the use of irony, mocking and conveying contempt)
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To: GOP Poet

I am *really* late in this post, but I am reading this book now, and thoroughly enjoying it.

What struck me about the dialect in the book, besides it being very well done, was the lack of outcry from liberals, labeling it racist.

Your friend is very talented. I look forward to reading more of her work in the future. :-)


138 posted on 03/04/2012 5:40:33 AM PST by alnick
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