Skip to comments.Coming soon: Rubio ‘birthers’
Posted on 08/24/2011 12:34:43 PM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
Despite my hopes, Sen. Marco Rubio will not run for president in 2012. But that doesnt mean he wont soon be within a heartbeat of the presidency. As the New Yorkers Ryan Lizza asked on Twitter: Is it time to rename GOP primaries the contest to become Marco Rubios running mate?
Indeed, despite his protestations, Rubio has to be on the short list of potential GOP running mates.
But the downside is that there is already a movement afoot (led by some on the fringe) to disqualify him from serving as president (which would presumably disqualify him from serving as vice president). Thats right some are arguing that Rubio is not eligible because he is not a natural born citizen.
Heres how the logic works (according to World Net Dailys Joe Kovacs): While the Constitution does not define natural-born citizen, there is strong evidence that the Founding Fathers understood it to mean someone born of two American citizens.
Kovacs (and he is not alone) goes on to reason that Rubios eligibility is in doubt because though his parents were legal U.S. residents when he was born they were not yet naturalized citizens.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...
If Rubio is not a NBC, he won’t be the Veep.
That said, if Democrats want to argue that their black American is more of a *real* American than a Hispanic, then I wish them all the best. I'd love for that debate to run wild and free right before an election. Democrats hate Hispanics, film at 11. Yeah. I'd donate to left wing birthers just to keep that pain alive.
Eat your heart out, Alinsky. I read your book, you magnificent bastard. I read your book. ;-)
If he can’t be Veep, it shines a VERY BRIGHT SPOTLIGHT on a certain occupier of the White House who is a British subject due to his father’s nationality when he was born.
Run Rubio run! Go for the top!
Citizen Rubio may not be an NBC’ but thar does NOT nean he is anything but a Good American!
Semper Fidelis, American!
“though his parents were legal U.S. residents when he was born they were not yet naturalized citizens.”
The Supreme Court has declared that the Constitution recognized two, and only two, forms of Citizenship. You are either a naturalized citizen, or you are born with citizenship.
The mythical third type of citizenship, “Natural Born Citizen”, does not exist.
Here is the link to one of the Supreme Court Decisions, and below is the quote that is relevant:
“The Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, in the declaration that
“all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside,”
contemplates two sources of citizenship, and two only: birth and naturalization. Citizenship by naturalization can only be acquired by naturalization under the authority and in the forms of law. But citizenship by birth is established by the mere fact of birth under the circumstances defined in the Constitution. Every person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States, and needs no naturalization. A person born out of the jurisdiction of the United States can only become a citizen by being naturalized, either by treaty, as in the case of the annexation of foreign territory, or by authority of Congress, exercised either by declaring certain classes of persons to be citizens, as in the enactments conferring citizenship upon foreign-born children of citizens, or by enabling foreigners individually to become citizens by proceedings in the judicial tribunals, as in the ordinary provisions of the naturalization acts.”
“The Supreme Court ruled that’s good enough, and precedent has been set.”
The Supreme Court Has ruled no such thing.
Get your facts straight.
Rubio was born in the USA, his parents were not.
If he’s smart, Rubio will let the “birthers” stew for a few months and very publicly prove his eligibility.
Just because the Democrats have twisted and broken the law and trashed the Constitution is no reason why we should do the same.
Rubio is not a natural-born citizen. He is not qualified.
We need to restore the laws that Obama has broken, and make sure nothing like that ever happens again.
Not quite. Obama has a better claim than Rubio.
Obama had one citizen parent and one legal resident parent.
Both Rubio's parents were legal residents.
Personally, I'm a jus solis guy, so they're both NBCs in my book.
Pesky things, laws. Best we do away with them, no?
It made no difference for zero; why should it matter for Rubio?
All Rubio has to do is claim that his long-form birth certificate is locked up in a vault somewhere in Florida, and then post a PDF of the short-form BC on his Web site.
Works all the time.
Look, Rubio is not running and Obama won’t make it to 2012.
If it gets rid of the Obamanation, Rubio needs to take one for the team.
He is not a NBC. I think its quite clear dont you?
They're quite straight, thank you. The Supreme Court swore Barack Obama into office on January 20th, 2009, based off of his birth in Hawaii, which made him an American citizen. They'll swear in Marco Rubio on January 20th, 2013, based off of his birth in Miami, which made him an American citizen.
Neither one of them is naturalized, they were citizens due to the location of their birth. Ergo, Obama's swearing in set precedence for what was previously a contested legal issue. You may want to split the atom on it, but the Supreme Court won't.
’Natural Born Citizen’, does not exist.”
Except in the Constitution.
Why would the Framers have put that specific term in the Constitution? They set out eligibility requirements for Senator, Representatives and POTUS. Only the last has that phrase inserted in those qualifications.
Those men did not mince words, or insert them unnecessarily into the document that would govern the republic they had so recently suffered so much to achieve.
Maybe you know something the Framers didn’t?
there is strong evidence that the Founding Fathers understood it to mean someone born of two American citizens.
I thought Obama’s father was a non-citizen?
Thank you kind Sir for that brief synopsis. I’m keeping for future arguments.
Also Marco Rubio, a true gentleman, kept Former First Lady Nancy Reagen from falling yesterday. I’m keeping this man him high on my list of future leaders. Ronnie would be proud Nancy!
I believe that Marco Rubio meets the constitutional requirements that describe a 'natural born citizen' and is legally qualified to be Vice President of the United States. I base that statement primarily on the information offered in post #14. If that information is in error, I'm sure others will submit explanations as to why. However, I expect this issue won't be seized on by the left because it brings Barack Hussein Obama's very questionable claims to U.S. citizenship and his qualifications to be president into the spotlight, and the DNC doesn't want that.
Better claim to what? You're either a U.S. citizen or you're not. Vitter notwithstanding, the 21st century interpretation of natural born citizen, as evidenced by Barack Obama, is pretty straightforward. Were you born in America?
Rubio was a U.S. citizen at the moment of his birth. Parents notwithstanding, he as an individual is no different legally than Barack Obama.
(I realize this is nothing but inflammatory, but I'm making this point for a reason. The Democrats will burst into flames if they try to attack Rubio on this. The wheels will fall off their support in Hispanic communities, and it's a monster of the Democrat's own making. The rules should naturally be more legally clarified than this, but until they are, we may as well play the game to our advantage while we can.)
Oh, I agree with you.
For those who think parentage matters, however, Obama has a much better claim than Rubio.
I stand corrected. Good job!!!!!
I could go without all these machinations. He’s eligible for every office in the land but two. Those are the breaks. We can pick a different VP. There’s plenty to choose from.
Sure it does. It's a person who has citizenship at birth. It's one of the two categories.
Do both parents have to be US Citizens to make the child NBC?
No, he’s eligible to be VP. Screw this crap. Rubio should be the VP candidate next year for the GOP.
Rubio’s parents weren’t born in the U.S. OK. And Obama’s old man wasn’t born in the U.S. So let the libs try and make something of this. If this POC Obama can be President, then Rubio can be President (or Vice-President). I’m sick of the double standard.
Still, I doubt that Rubio will be the VP..
The polling and trends from Florida are all going Republican. Obama is polling very poorly down here. I think it's more likely that Santorum or maybe Kasich will be the VP choice for 2012. If the Republican ticket can pick up Pennsylvania, that would be a big gain. Ohio is also less Republican today than Florida.
Thank you for such a logic and history free post.
I would love to see him prove it in multiple small, very public disclosures; each time, asking the media to ask the same of Obama.
If you think that it means the individual has to have two US citizen parents born in the US (which it does not), Obama’s father was indisputably born elsewhere and was certainly not a US citizen, so by that standard, Bambi wouldn’t have qualified.
However, this information was known and there was no objection to his running. The only objection to either Obama or McCain was based on the place of birth, Panama outside of a military base in the case of McCain, and somewhat shadowy in the case of Obama.
Hence, based on precedent, Rubio certainly qualifies. Anyone who is trying to say otherwise is probably doing so simply because they are scared to death that Rubio will run - and win.
I think his main drawback to the general voting population is that he’s young, and of course he himself has just said that he doesn’t want to run for any other office but wants to serve out his term in the House. But I’ve heard him speak...and if he ran, he’d win. So the Dems are scared of him.
Not that it matters. People here seem to love him more than they love the Constitution.
Both Rubio and Obama are NBCs, period, end of story.
Because they didn't want naturalized citizens to be President.
There were lots of objections, especially on this forum, most of them historically and constitutionally invalid, IMO.
But it's just not accurate to say nobody objected.
It actually needs to be set in stone. The Supreme Court has abdicated its responsibility here and allowed the tyranny of the majority, aka, obama voters, to rule and we have had no right to redress our grievance. Maybe if Rubio is tested this way, we will finally get that ruling which might kill two birds with one stone.
As much as I like Rubio, this question needs to be settled once and for all.
As far as I am concerned, obama is an enemy combatant and belongs in Gitmo.
If that is true, then why are Cubans who are trying to escape to the US turned back?
‘all persons born or naturalized in the United States’
Rubio was BORN IN THE USA! What about that sentence don’t some of you understand? He was BORN ON AMERICAN SOIL. He is AN AMERICAN. Period.
There were questions about the place of birth (about McCain directly, and rumored about Obama) and IIRC Congress actually passed a resolution affirming that McCain was an NBC, although technically he had not been born on US soil. It was thought at the time that this was something done to protect Obama. I believe it was a Dem who sponsored it, so that seems pretty likely.
It is true that on FR there were many arguments one way or the other about the citizenship of a candidate’s parents, but in terms of US officialdom, the only thing I remember is that they were concerned about the place of birth.
A good pair would be Cain and Rubio.
I can't remember exactly when this started, but I think it was under either Carter or Clinton. At any rate, while they said it was to discourage Cubans from attempting a risky voyage, it was really to suck up to Fidel.
Obama Sr. was never a resident alien. He was here on a student visa only.
Thats right. The rules is the rules. Rubio and Jindal are both fine guys and they can serve their country as senators and governors but not VP or POTUS.
I've never heard the notion that Cuba was still an American Protectorate after Fidel seized power.
Not that that applies to Rubio as his parents were born before Fidel came to power.