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Coming soon: Rubio ‘birthers’
The Daily Caller ^ | August 24, 2011 | Matt Lewis

Posted on 08/24/2011 12:34:43 PM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia

Despite my hopes, Sen. Marco Rubio will not run for president in 2012. But that doesn’t mean he won’t soon be within a heartbeat of the presidency. As the New Yorker’s Ryan Lizza asked on Twitter: “Is it time to rename GOP primaries ‘the contest to become Marco Rubio’s running mate’?”

Indeed, despite his protestations, Rubio has to be on the short list of potential GOP running mates.

But the downside is that there is already a movement afoot (led by some on the fringe) to disqualify him from serving as president (which would presumably disqualify him from serving as vice president). That’s right — some are arguing that Rubio is not eligible because he is not a “natural born citizen.”

Here’s how the logic works (according to World Net Daily’s Joe Kovacs): “While the Constitution does not define ‘natural-born citizen,’ there is strong evidence that the Founding Fathers understood it to mean someone born of two American citizens.”

Kovacs (and he is not alone) goes on to reason that Rubio’s “eligibility is in doubt” because — though his parents were legal U.S. residents when he was born — they were not yet naturalized citizens.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...


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KEYWORDS: birthers; eligibility; naturalborncitizen; rubio
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1 posted on 08/24/2011 12:34:45 PM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

If Rubio is not a NBC, he won’t be the Veep.


2 posted on 08/24/2011 12:36:16 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Uh huh. Rubio is an American citizen under the same legal definition that Barack Obama is. The Supreme Court ruled that's good enough, and precedent has been set.

That said, if Democrats want to argue that their black American is more of a *real* American than a Hispanic, then I wish them all the best. I'd love for that debate to run wild and free right before an election. Democrats hate Hispanics, film at 11. Yeah. I'd donate to left wing birthers just to keep that pain alive.

Eat your heart out, Alinsky. I read your book, you magnificent bastard. I read your book. ;-)

3 posted on 08/24/2011 12:39:41 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: arrogantsob

If he can’t be Veep, it shines a VERY BRIGHT SPOTLIGHT on a certain occupier of the White House who is a British subject due to his father’s nationality when he was born.

Run Rubio run! Go for the top!


4 posted on 08/24/2011 12:39:57 PM PDT by null and void (Day 943 of America's holiday from reality...)
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To: arrogantsob

Citizen Rubio may not be an NBC’ but thar does NOT nean he is anything but a Good American!

Semper Fidelis, American!


5 posted on 08/24/2011 12:41:12 PM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

“though his parents were legal U.S. residents when he was born — they were not yet naturalized citizens.”

Bingo.

Thereby in-eligible.


6 posted on 08/24/2011 12:42:04 PM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: arrogantsob

The Supreme Court has declared that the Constitution recognized two, and only two, forms of Citizenship. You are either a naturalized citizen, or you are born with citizenship.

The mythical third type of citizenship, “Natural Born Citizen”, does not exist.

Period.

Here is the link to one of the Supreme Court Decisions, and below is the quote that is relevant:

http://supreme.justia.com/us/169/649/case.html

“The Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, in the declaration that

“all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside,”

contemplates two sources of citizenship, and two only: birth and naturalization. Citizenship by naturalization can only be acquired by naturalization under the authority and in the forms of law. But citizenship by birth is established by the mere fact of birth under the circumstances defined in the Constitution. Every person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States, and needs no naturalization. A person born out of the jurisdiction of the United States can only become a citizen by being naturalized, either by treaty, as in the case of the annexation of foreign territory, or by authority of Congress, exercised either by declaring certain classes of persons to be citizens, as in the enactments conferring citizenship upon foreign-born children of citizens, or by enabling foreigners individually to become citizens by proceedings in the judicial tribunals, as in the ordinary provisions of the naturalization acts.”


7 posted on 08/24/2011 12:42:39 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Steel Wolf

“The Supreme Court ruled that’s good enough, and precedent has been set.”

The Supreme Court Has ruled no such thing.

Get your facts straight.


8 posted on 08/24/2011 12:43:44 PM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Rubio was born in the USA, his parents were not.


9 posted on 08/24/2011 12:43:44 PM PDT by svcw
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

If he’s smart, Rubio will let the “birthers” stew for a few months and very publicly prove his eligibility.


10 posted on 08/24/2011 12:43:55 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Just because the Democrats have twisted and broken the law and trashed the Constitution is no reason why we should do the same.

Rubio is not a natural-born citizen. He is not qualified.

We need to restore the laws that Obama has broken, and make sure nothing like that ever happens again.


11 posted on 08/24/2011 12:44:03 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: Steel Wolf
Rubio is an American citizen under the same legal definition that Barack Obama is.

Not quite. Obama has a better claim than Rubio.

Obama had one citizen parent and one legal resident parent.

Both Rubio's parents were legal residents.

Personally, I'm a jus solis guy, so they're both NBCs in my book.

12 posted on 08/24/2011 12:44:27 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Pesky things, laws. Best we do away with them, no?


13 posted on 08/24/2011 12:44:29 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

It made no difference for zero; why should it matter for Rubio?

All Rubio has to do is claim that his long-form birth certificate is locked up in a vault somewhere in Florida, and then post a PDF of the short-form BC on his Web site.

Works all the time.


15 posted on 08/24/2011 12:45:38 PM PDT by GoodDay (Palin for POTUS 2012)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Look, Rubio is not running and Obama won’t make it to 2012.


16 posted on 08/24/2011 12:47:27 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

If it gets rid of the Obamanation, Rubio needs to take one for the team.


17 posted on 08/24/2011 12:48:02 PM PDT by BUGSWOL (No one was ever burned at the stake for saying the Earth was flat)
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To: arrogantsob

He is not a NBC. I think its quite clear dont you?


18 posted on 08/24/2011 12:48:33 PM PDT by nikos1121 (Stand up is hard if you're not funny.)
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To: roaddog727
The Supreme Court Has ruled no such thing. Get your facts straight.

They're quite straight, thank you. The Supreme Court swore Barack Obama into office on January 20th, 2009, based off of his birth in Hawaii, which made him an American citizen. They'll swear in Marco Rubio on January 20th, 2013, based off of his birth in Miami, which made him an American citizen.

Neither one of them is naturalized, they were citizens due to the location of their birth. Ergo, Obama's swearing in set precedence for what was previously a contested legal issue. You may want to split the atom on it, but the Supreme Court won't.

19 posted on 08/24/2011 12:51:04 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

“’Natural Born Citizen’, does not exist.”

Except in the Constitution.

Why would the Framers have put that specific term in the Constitution? They set out eligibility requirements for Senator, Representatives and POTUS. Only the last has that phrase inserted in those qualifications.

Those men did not mince words, or insert them unnecessarily into the document that would govern the republic they had so recently suffered so much to achieve.

Maybe you know something the Framers didn’t?


20 posted on 08/24/2011 12:53:22 PM PDT by EDINVA ( Jimmy McMillan '12: because RENT'S TOO DAMN HIGH)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

’ there is strong evidence that the Founding Fathers understood it to mean someone born of two American citizens.”

I thought Obama’s father was a non-citizen?


21 posted on 08/24/2011 12:53:33 PM PDT by ZULU (McConnell and Boehner are the Judas and Ephialtes of the 21st Century)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Thank you kind Sir for that brief synopsis. I’m keeping for future arguments.

Also Marco Rubio, a true gentleman, kept Former First Lady Nancy Reagen from falling yesterday. I’m keeping this man him high on my list of future leaders. Ronnie would be proud Nancy!


22 posted on 08/24/2011 12:56:30 PM PDT by poobear (Facts, the TURD in the punchbowl of Liberal theory!)
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To: arrogantsob

Rubio’s bio
http://rubio.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/about?p=biography


23 posted on 08/24/2011 12:59:48 PM PDT by svcw
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To: poobear; AZ .44 MAG; Safrguns; repubmom; Hotlanta Mike; nikos1121; YellowRoseofTx; Dustbunny; ...
Ping

for great justice...

24 posted on 08/24/2011 1:00:59 PM PDT by null and void (Day 943 of America's holiday from reality...)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Interesting thread.

I believe that Marco Rubio meets the constitutional requirements that describe a 'natural born citizen' and is legally qualified to be Vice President of the United States. I base that statement primarily on the information offered in post #14. If that information is in error, I'm sure others will submit explanations as to why. However, I expect this issue won't be seized on by the left because it brings Barack Hussein Obama's very questionable claims to U.S. citizenship and his qualifications to be president into the spotlight, and the DNC doesn't want that.

25 posted on 08/24/2011 1:01:18 PM PDT by Jim Scott ( "Game On!" - Sarah Palin)
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To: Sherman Logan
Not quite. Obama has a better claim than Rubio. Obama had one citizen parent and one legal resident parent.

Better claim to what? You're either a U.S. citizen or you're not. Vitter notwithstanding, the 21st century interpretation of natural born citizen, as evidenced by Barack Obama, is pretty straightforward. Were you born in America?

Rubio was a U.S. citizen at the moment of his birth. Parents notwithstanding, he as an individual is no different legally than Barack Obama.

(I realize this is nothing but inflammatory, but I'm making this point for a reason. The Democrats will burst into flames if they try to attack Rubio on this. The wheels will fall off their support in Hispanic communities, and it's a monster of the Democrat's own making. The rules should naturally be more legally clarified than this, but until they are, we may as well play the game to our advantage while we can.)

26 posted on 08/24/2011 1:02:02 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: Steel Wolf

Oh, I agree with you.

For those who think parentage matters, however, Obama has a much better claim than Rubio.


27 posted on 08/24/2011 1:04:04 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I stand corrected. Good job!!!!!


28 posted on 08/24/2011 1:04:04 PM PDT by nikos1121 (Stand up is hard if you're not funny.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I could go without all these machinations. He’s eligible for every office in the land but two. Those are the breaks. We can pick a different VP. There’s plenty to choose from.


29 posted on 08/24/2011 1:04:51 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
The mythical third type of citizenship, “Natural Born Citizen”, does not exist.

Sure it does. It's a person who has citizenship at birth. It's one of the two categories.

30 posted on 08/24/2011 1:08:29 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Well, if Romney gets the GOP nod, I dunno if the NBC thing will be brought up. After all, his father is a Mexican.

Do both parents have to be US Citizens to make the child NBC?

31 posted on 08/24/2011 1:10:40 PM PDT by Palter (Celebrate diversity .22, .223, .25, 9mm, .32 .357, 10mm, .44, .45, .500)
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To: cotton1706

No, he’s eligible to be VP. Screw this crap. Rubio should be the VP candidate next year for the GOP.

Rubio’s parents weren’t born in the U.S. OK. And Obama’s old man wasn’t born in the U.S. So let the libs try and make something of this. If this POC Obama can be President, then Rubio can be President (or Vice-President). I’m sick of the double standard.


32 posted on 08/24/2011 1:10:43 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Interesting.

Still, I doubt that Rubio will be the VP..

The polling and trends from Florida are all going Republican. Obama is polling very poorly down here. I think it's more likely that Santorum or maybe Kasich will be the VP choice for 2012. If the Republican ticket can pick up Pennsylvania, that would be a big gain. Ohio is also less Republican today than Florida.

33 posted on 08/24/2011 1:10:53 PM PDT by cc2k ( If having an "R" makes you conservative, does walking into a barn make you a horse's (_*_)?)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Thank you for such a logic and history free post.


34 posted on 08/24/2011 1:11:41 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: cripplecreek
If he’s smart, Rubio will let the “birthers” stew for a few months and very publicly prove his eligibility.

I would love to see him prove it in multiple small, very public disclosures; each time, asking the media to ask the same of Obama.

35 posted on 08/24/2011 1:12:11 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: Sherman Logan

If you think that it means the individual has to have two US citizen parents born in the US (which it does not), Obama’s father was indisputably born elsewhere and was certainly not a US citizen, so by that standard, Bambi wouldn’t have qualified.

However, this information was known and there was no objection to his running. The only objection to either Obama or McCain was based on the place of birth, Panama outside of a military base in the case of McCain, and somewhat shadowy in the case of Obama.

Hence, based on precedent, Rubio certainly qualifies. Anyone who is trying to say otherwise is probably doing so simply because they are scared to death that Rubio will run - and win.

I think his main drawback to the general voting population is that he’s young, and of course he himself has just said that he doesn’t want to run for any other office but wants to serve out his term in the House. But I’ve heard him speak...and if he ran, he’d win. So the Dems are scared of him.


36 posted on 08/24/2011 1:17:59 PM PDT by livius
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
I like Rubio, but is he a natural born citizen

Not that it matters. People here seem to love him more than they love the Constitution.

37 posted on 08/24/2011 1:19:53 PM PDT by GBA
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Both Rubio and Obama are NBCs, period, end of story.


38 posted on 08/24/2011 1:22:48 PM PDT by Sloth (If a tax break counts as "spending" then every time I don't rob a bank should be a "deposit.")
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To: EDINVA
Why would the Framers have put that specific term in the Constitution? They set out eligibility requirements for Senator, Representatives and POTUS. Only the last has that phrase inserted in those qualifications.

Because they didn't want naturalized citizens to be President.

39 posted on 08/24/2011 1:23:21 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: livius
However, this information was known and there was no objection to his running.

There were lots of objections, especially on this forum, most of them historically and constitutionally invalid, IMO.

But it's just not accurate to say nobody objected.

40 posted on 08/24/2011 1:29:41 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Cicero

It actually needs to be set in stone. The Supreme Court has abdicated its responsibility here and allowed the tyranny of the majority, aka, obama voters, to rule and we have had no right to redress our grievance. Maybe if Rubio is tested this way, we will finally get that ruling which might kill two birds with one stone.

As much as I like Rubio, this question needs to be settled once and for all.

As far as I am concerned, obama is an enemy combatant and belongs in Gitmo.


41 posted on 08/24/2011 1:30:59 PM PDT by MestaMachine (If the truth hurts, prepare yourself for a LOT of pain.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Coming soon Already Here: Rubio ‘birthers’


42 posted on 08/24/2011 1:32:53 PM PDT by lonevoice (schizophrenic hostage taking hobbit terrorist)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; null and void; LucyT
Cuba gained formal independence in 1902, but these United States retained the right perpetually to intervene in Cuba, therefore making it and it’s Citizens Americanized.

If that is true, then why are Cubans who are trying to escape to the US turned back?

Just asking.

43 posted on 08/24/2011 1:32:53 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

‘all persons born or naturalized in the United States’

Rubio was BORN IN THE USA! What about that sentence don’t some of you understand? He was BORN ON AMERICAN SOIL. He is AN AMERICAN. Period.


44 posted on 08/24/2011 1:32:56 PM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: Sherman Logan

There were questions about the place of birth (about McCain directly, and rumored about Obama) and IIRC Congress actually passed a resolution affirming that McCain was an NBC, although technically he had not been born on US soil. It was thought at the time that this was something done to protect Obama. I believe it was a Dem who sponsored it, so that seems pretty likely.

It is true that on FR there were many arguments one way or the other about the citizenship of a candidate’s parents, but in terms of US officialdom, the only thing I remember is that they were concerned about the place of birth.


45 posted on 08/24/2011 1:44:18 PM PDT by livius
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

A good pair would be Cain and Rubio.


46 posted on 08/24/2011 1:45:40 PM PDT by jarofants
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To: Las Vegas Ron
If that is true, then why are Cubans who are trying to escape to the US turned back?

I can't remember exactly when this started, but I think it was under either Carter or Clinton. At any rate, while they said it was to discourage Cubans from attempting a risky voyage, it was really to suck up to Fidel.

47 posted on 08/24/2011 1:47:00 PM PDT by livius
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To: Sherman Logan
one legal resident parent.

Obama Sr. was never a resident alien. He was here on a student visa only.

48 posted on 08/24/2011 1:54:32 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: arrogantsob

Thats right. The rules is the rules. Rubio and Jindal are both fine guys and they can serve their country as senators and governors but not VP or POTUS.


49 posted on 08/24/2011 1:55:44 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: livius
Thanks, guess I'll have to it the books on this one.

I've never heard the notion that Cuba was still an American Protectorate after Fidel seized power.

Not that that applies to Rubio as his parents were born before Fidel came to power.

50 posted on 08/24/2011 1:55:44 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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