Coming soon: Rubio ‘birthers’

The Daily Caller ^ | August 24, 2011 | Matt Lewis

[so_real]

Do both parents have to be US Citizens to make the child NBC?

According to the primary author of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution Rep. John Bingham, "yes" : "every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen". Furthermore, in 1862 he stated "There is not a textbook referred to in any court which does not recognise the principle that I assert." while discussing his understanding of U.S. citizenship. The common understanding is that both "jus soli" and "jus sanguinis" are required.

[Las Vegas Ron]

both by Congress and by precedent, that the only thing necessary for US citizenship (as things are and have been up to this point) is birth on US soil.

That does appear to be where we are at this point, though MINOR v. HAPPERSETT says otherwise.

[Las Vegas Ron]

It was only after the election that the Vattel “born in country of two citizen parents”

It has been pointed out to several times on other threads (by me at least once) that is not true....yet you keep posting the same lies.

[allmendream]

Wrong - several times a circa 2008 pre election post was presented; arguing about dual citizenship (i.e. his father's British citizenship being passed to him) NOT that the mere fact of not having a citizen father at the time of his birth disqualified him.

Please present a contemporaneous post citing the Vattel definition of ‘born in country of two citizen parents’ argument here on FR. I would like to see it.

Even if you can find that elusive ONE post - it was most certainly NOT the definition that everyone knew before 2008 and that was on every-body’s lips during eligibility arguments before the election.

It is revisionist history to say that the Vattel argument was in wide circulation here on FR on eligibility threads before the election.

[itsahoot]

If he’s smart, Rubio will let the “birthers” stew for a few months and very publicly prove his eligibility.

Lets hope then he has better forgers than the Won.

[Las Vegas Ron]

You’re a liar, and a waste of time.

[itsahoot]

Neither one of them is naturalized, they were citizens due to the location of their birth. Ergo, Obama's swearing in set precedence for what was previously a contested legal issue.

Ceremony = Court Opinion. Yep guess you are right.

I agree however that that ceremony brings Robert's true beliefs on the Constitution into question.

[itsahoot]

I believe that Marco Rubio meets the constitutional requirements that describe a 'natural born citizen'

Great we have went from ceremony = Court Opinion to what we believe = Court Opinion.

[Las Vegas Ron]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2739306/posts?page=410#410

[allmendream]

Yes, and not ONE of those quoted Vattel.

Where was the mighty Vattel argument during the election?

Nowhere in what you posted.

It all had to do with 0bama’s mom being too young to confer automatic U.S. citizenship... IF he wasn't born in country (Hawaii is).

It had to do with English law granting children of citizens citizenship at birth (the dual citizenship argument).

Not one single post mentioned Vattel or said the criteria was clearly “born in country of two citizen parents”.

FAIL.

Moreover looking over the eligibility threads from that time it is easy to see that the Vattel definition (that apparently you are a traitor if you do not accept and learned at your mother's breast) is as rare as the fabled unicorn.

[Hotlanta Mike]

At least we KNOW where Rubio was born and probably would have access to an original certified HARDCOPY, unlike a certain marxist mocha man currently occupying the White House (illegally).

[Hotlanta Mike]

For those who think parentage matters, however, Obama has a much better claim than Rubio.

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Based on what, a manipulated pdf file released on April 27th?

[allmendream]

OK, upon rereading carefully, a single post said the criteria was “born in country of two citizen parents”.

ONE.

Vattel wasn't sourced.

What is clear from those threads is that this was NOT the commonly accepted definition among those doubting his eligibility - this “consensus” was arrived at much later.

[Hotlanta Mike]

You notice the Obot after-birthers have returned to the same bs arguments they used over two years ago?

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Recycled tripe, just like their marxist dogma...

[rxsid]

"Why would the Framers have put that specific term in the Constitution? They set out eligibility requirements for Senator, Representatives and POTUS. Only the last has that phrase inserted in those qualifications.

Because they didn't want naturalized citizens to be President.

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Wrong.

They didn't want someone with foreign intrigue or influence, (post Grandfather clause) as the Commander in Chief.

See Jay's letter.

[rxsid]

SCOTUS never ruled that someone born owing allegience to a foreign crown is Commander in Chief eligibile.

There is no such "legal" definition.

[SoJoCo]

According to the primary author of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution Rep. John Bingham, "yes" : "every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen". Furthermore, in 1862 he stated "There is not a textbook referred to in any court which does not recognise the principle that I assert." while discussing his understanding of U.S. citizenship. The common understanding is that both "jus soli" and "jus sanguinis" are required.

Mr. Bingham must not have read William Rawle then. In his 1829, "A View of the Constitution of the United States" Rawle states: "The citizens of each state constituted the citizens of the United States when the Constitution was adopted. The rights which appertained to them as citizens of those respective commonwealths, accompanied them in the formation of the great, compound commonwealth which ensued. They became citizens of the latter, without ceasing to be citizens of the former, and he who was subsequently born a citizen of a state, became at the moment of his birth a citizen of the United States. Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity." Rawle was considered one of the foremost experts on the Constitution.

[rxsid]

a "natural born Citizen" isn't "mythical."

It's plainly listed as a requirement for the Commander in Chief.

Office	Citizenship	Age	Residency (or years citizen)
President & Commander in Chief (1 of 1)	natural born Citizen	35	14 years resident
Senator (1 of many)	Citizen	30	9 years a Citizen
Represantative (1 of many)	Citizen	25	7 years a Citizen

[org.whodat]

No he is not, Obummer has one parent that was a natural born citizen, rubio has none.

[rxsid]

Shrillery thinks mightily of Vattel:

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