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Hurricane Irene Live Thread
NHC NOAA ^ | 26 August 2011 | NHC/NOAA

Posted on 08/26/2011 9:40:24 AM PDT by NautiNurse

Approximately 65 million people are likely to be directly impacted by Hurricane Irene as the storm takes aim at the densely populated Eastern Seaboard. Evacuations are underway for high flood risk areas.

Mass transit cancellations, schedule changes and road/bridge closures are occurring throughout the storm warning areas. Please check with local news and Emergency Management Operations to determine the recommendations for your immediate area.


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KEYWORDS: hurricane; hurricaneirene; irene; livethread; storm; tropical
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To: mojitojoe
Kitty Hawk, NC, winds right now 23 MPH.

Just... WOW... Nature's fury.

1,101 posted on 08/27/2011 12:58:33 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: cll
Thanks for your report. It is bothering me a bit to hear some folks “misunderestimating” this storm. It could actually drop to Tropical Storm strength at this instant and it would still have the potential to cause huge problems for points North of its current location. Some factors:

- Long Duration of Sustained Winds: Based on Irene's massive size and the relatively slow speed at which she is moving, many of the locations from NC northward into SNE are going to experience sustained winds (even if they are TS level, e.g., 60-70 MPH, vs. Cat 1 level) for 24+ hours. That is a long time for everything including people, buildings, and trees to withstand. (Of course, there will be periods of higher wind gusts all throughout, which will serve to increase the stress level up and down.)
- Very Saturated Ground: As noted by many, a great deal of the EC has seen very high rainfall totals for August (e.g., in NJ most places are at 200-600% of normal). This presents multiple problems: root systems are looser than normal, no where for the additional rain to go, catch basins, reservoirs, and sewers are already full in many spots.
- Very High QPF Totals Expected: We've seen double digit QPF modeled for a lot of places along the expected path. Dropping 12+ inches on new water into a very saturated environment will likely lead to massive inland flooding.
- Coastal Geography: many locations along the path have narrowing inlets that are heavily populated along the coast. Forcing the extreme amount of surge that comes with a massive storm like Irene will be forcing a tremendous amount of water up into narrowing “dead ends.”
- NYC & LI Coastal Geography: While many have correctly pointed out that Gulf storms are surging a mountain of water into an enclosed area, there is also a very problematic geographic consideration when you look at the coastal geography of NNJ, NYC, and LI. You basically have a right-angle elbow of LI extending out into the Atlantic. Since this surge (from the massive Irene with all of her attendant energy) is coming in from the SE, it is being directed right into the crook of the elbow (and of course NYC boroughs are located right above). So this massive storm surge (which is more than likely going to be the equivalent of a Cat 2, regardless of what wind speed Irene arrives with) is all being jammed into this tightening funnel.
- Tidal considerations: Many EC locations are experiencing their highest tides this weekend. Given such a long duration event based on Irene's size and speed, some areas may experience 2 High Tides during Irene's passage. That just furthers the coastal flooding potential.
- Power Disruptions: Given the extensive swath of EC real estate that is going to be affected by Irene's windfield for a prolonged period of time, there are chances of really “widespread” outages. And if you consider how reciprocity works when a few states are hit hard, a lot of help comes in from adjoining states. Well, in Irene's case many of the naturally adjoining states will be out as well. Hence help will be coming from all across the US, and there may be weeks of effort required. Also, if you consider that the EC is one of the most densely populated areas of the country, think about the massive amount of infrastructure that will be affected. I suspect the larger population centers will get the most immediate attention for economic considerations, this will leave many in the more sparsely populated or more rural areas stranded for what could be many weeks.

I could go on an on but I think I made my main points. Sorry for the long winded rant but I have been a bit annoyed at hearing some people simply minimize the threat of this storm based on wind speed and/or “category,” without taking into consideration the most relevant factors.

Let's all stay safe, help each other out, and remain in prayer for the duration!

1,102 posted on 08/27/2011 1:00:16 PM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: All

So half a million folks in NC have lost power...why do some think this is a big nothing?


1,103 posted on 08/27/2011 1:01:30 PM PDT by Miss Didi ("After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Gabz

One thing I hate about where we are (NAS Patuxent River area) is that the “local” TV stations are based out of DC (1 1/2 hours away) or Baltimore (2 hrs away) so it’s not often our area even gets mentioned on the news. Been watching a lot of FoxNews and Weather Channel lately...


1,104 posted on 08/27/2011 1:01:32 PM PDT by Severa (I can't take this stress anymore...quick, get me a marker to sniff....)
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To: GRRRRR

COLORADO!!!!!!!!!! Good Grief-that states stays covered in snow! You’ll freeze...


1,105 posted on 08/27/2011 1:02:41 PM PDT by dixie sass
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To: zzeeman
Sorry for the long winded rant but I have been a bit annoyed at hearing some people simply minimize the threat of this storm based on wind speed and/or “category,” without taking into consideration the most relevant factors.

Especially after that mega-quake the other day. It's a real one-two punch for sure. Someone needs to post that image of the knocked over chair... this time with a second chair blown over.

1,106 posted on 08/27/2011 1:04:01 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: NautiNurse

LOL!!!

I will be staying dry this evening - I underestimated how much beer should have been purchased and I doubt the corner mart on the highway is open. SIGH

Just heard 500,000+ people in Virginia are without power in the Virginia Beach/Norfolk/Hampton Roads area as well as Richmond. There has been sporadic outages here in Accomack County.


1,107 posted on 08/27/2011 1:06:19 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Lexinom

I live north of Raleigh and our winds are 23 sustained with strongest gust so far 43.6


1,108 posted on 08/27/2011 1:08:29 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: zzeeman

One thing is the 9/11 Memorial Park is within the Category 1 Surge zone;

Unless they do some real serious sandbagging I suspect it will be flooded and ruined.


1,109 posted on 08/27/2011 1:08:54 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Cementjungle
All of those chairs, and the table will be blown into the next county by tomorrow!
1,110 posted on 08/27/2011 1:09:42 PM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: Strategerist

Good point, never even thought about that. I suspect they will pull out all the stops to try to minimize the damage there.


1,111 posted on 08/27/2011 1:11:15 PM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: mojitojoe
Kitty Hawk, NC, winds right now 23 MPH.

There are plenty of higher windspeed readings from buoys in the vicinity. Perhaps there is a conspiracy by weather buoys to over-hype the storm.

1,112 posted on 08/27/2011 1:11:28 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Drink good coffee. You can sleep when you are dead.)
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To: zzeeman

Thank you, zzeeman! I do appreciate your detailed explanation. If Irene is a big nothing, I’ll have a lot of food and drink for weeks to come and my survival kit ready for another “just in case” situation in the future. In the meantime, it’s a bit scary considering we are not used to such storms. Being on this thread together is a big help. :)


1,113 posted on 08/27/2011 1:11:39 PM PDT by Miss Didi ("After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: zzeeman

Who has sustained winds at 60-70 MPH? I keep checking all the weather stations and I can’t find a thing over gust of 45. I’ve lived in Florida all of my life. I know a bad hurricane or tropical storm when I see one. Of course there are power outages. Weak limbs fall on the power lines or the power lines were not maintained well. 45 MPH should not snap power lines.


1,114 posted on 08/27/2011 1:11:40 PM PDT by mojitojoe (WH says potus didn’t feel the earthquake. No worries. Another is scheduled for November 2012)
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To: zzeeman

It could actually drop to Tropical Storm strength at this instant

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psssst, that thing has been a tropical storm or depression for a while now.


1,115 posted on 08/27/2011 1:12:31 PM PDT by mojitojoe (WH says potus didn’t feel the earthquake. No worries. Another is scheduled for November 2012)
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To: mware

Good for you! We’ve got a nice calm right now. Just a light breeze and light rain.


1,116 posted on 08/27/2011 1:12:37 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Miss Didi

I don’t think it is a big nothing at all, but I am a little leary of the media and the government for sure.

BTW..We have had over a half of million people in Texas without power at times during this heat wave.Mine went off the other day for 8 hours when it was 105 degrees outside. Hopefully they have the right folks ready to come in clear the roads and it won’t be off too long for you guys. I am praying for all in harm’s way tonight.


1,117 posted on 08/27/2011 1:12:37 PM PDT by penelopesire (Let The Congressional Hearings Begin!)
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To: dixie sass

Nah...the snow stays mostly on the west side of the mounts and IN the mounts. I live in the high desert area north of Denver...we had 8 inches TOTAL snow last winter. A few cold -20 Days but the rest were in the 50-60’s and sunny.


1,118 posted on 08/27/2011 1:12:51 PM PDT by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President, FUBO! Treason is the Reason! Impeach the Kenyan)
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To: penelopesire
I thought Bloomie’s high taxes was already enough of a disaster to get people to evacuate.
1,119 posted on 08/27/2011 1:14:58 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Those who trade land for peace will end up with neither one.)
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To: mojitojoe
psssst, that thing has been a tropical storm or depression for a while now.

Given your OBVIOUS considerable expertise in tropical cyclone meteorology, could you please put together a list of all the tropical storms and depressions with central pressures under 950 mb, and post it here? Thanks!

Recon just made a center pass, the pressure has continued to slowly drop.

1,120 posted on 08/27/2011 1:15:11 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Miss Didi; NautiNurse; RedMDer; All

Hurricane Irene: At this hour

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Updated: Saturday, 27 Aug 2011, 4:07 PM EDT
Published : Saturday, 27 Aug 2011, 12:20 AM EDT

PORTSMOUTH, Va. (WAVY) - A timeline of updates as Hurricane Irene heads toward the East Coast:

3:50 p.m. - (AP) - Officials say there have been more Irene related deaths in Virginia.Virginia Department of Emergency Management spokesman Bob Spieldenner says a tree fell on a car in Brunswick County and killed someone inside the vehicle.

3:30 p.m. - Virginia Beach officials want residents to remember ALL bayfront and oceanfront beaches are closed. They are extremely dangerous to be on at this time. Swimming and wading are prohibited until further notice.

3:15 p.m. - Sentara Norfolk General Hospital will go into lockdown status at 5 p.m. All visitors will be asked to leave and keep in touch with their loved ones through electronic means. Visitor hours will resume Sunday at noon.

2:30 p.m. - (AP/WAVY) -The 11-year -old boy missing from an apartment complex in Newport News has been confirmed dead.

2 p.m. - The storm is now 95 miles south of Norfolk.

1:45 p.m. - Crews are searching for a child between the ages of 9 and 11 after a tree fell on a two-story apartment building.

12:30 p.m. - Two are confirmed dead in North Carolina. One person died in a vehicle crash in Pitt County, while a Nash County man is dead after a branch fell on him.

12:10 p.m. - NOAA reaffirms concerns possible storm surge levels in the Lynnhaven River to be six to seven feet above normal, comparing them to 2009 Nor’easter levels.

Rest
http://www.wavy.com/dpp/weather/hurricane/hurricane-irene%3A-at-this-hour-aug-27


1,121 posted on 08/27/2011 1:15:48 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: zzeeman

Very well said. Some folks just like to be naysayers without bothering to provide any real information or analysis to back it up.


1,122 posted on 08/27/2011 1:16:12 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy; LizardQueen; Mmogamer; Ingtar; sageb1; Abigail Adams; Miss Didi; eyedigress

UPDATE ON MY FRIEND WHO WENT TO NYC TODAY....

First, thanks to you all for your concerns re my friend who had planned a lovely 5 day trip to NYC with her 21 yr old daughter to see broadway shows, etc. and was determined to go, regardless of this hurricaine. I was sure she would not be going, with all the plane cancellations, etc.

Today I talked with her husband ( we are all in Jax, FL )who told me that my friend and her daughter HAD FLOWN UP THERE very early this morning.UNBELIEVABLE.

This woman has never been to NYC, they forgot their cell phones in the car, etc. If the broadway shows were cancelled she was “going to get some food and stay in the hotel (Manhatten) and walk around in raincoats”.

I am hoping they will be fine and the worst will be they are very bored.
Please say a little prayer for them.
Maybe its just me being over reacting and they will come back from their ‘adventure” telling me I am a chicken.


1,123 posted on 08/27/2011 1:16:15 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
I thought Bloomie’s high taxes was already enough of a disaster to get people to evacuate.

I'm no Bloomberg fan, but he's likely to come out of this as a hero/genius.

1,124 posted on 08/27/2011 1:16:34 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: mojitojoe

And constant 45 MPH winds aren’t much of a problem, it’s low and high gusts that do all of the damage.


1,125 posted on 08/27/2011 1:17:14 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Those who trade land for peace will end up with neither one.)
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To: dirtboy
Hurrican Prep - The American Way (NSFW)
1,126 posted on 08/27/2011 1:18:51 PM PDT by icanhasbailout (Theoretical Ideal Candidate for President 2012)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

They should be OK, but they basically wasted their money by going.


1,127 posted on 08/27/2011 1:19:09 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: zzeeman

Here are links to all of the weather stations in NC.

http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/ListStations.asp?selectedState=NC&selectedCountry=United+States

Here are links to all of the weather stations in VA:

http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/ListStations.asp?selectedState=VA&selectedCountry=United+States

Maryland:

http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/ListStations.asp?selectedState=MD&selectedCountry=United+States

DC:

http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/ListStations.asp?selectedState=DC&selectedCountry=United+States

NJ:

http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/ListStations.asp?selectedState=NJ&selectedCountry=United+States

NY:

http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/ListStations.asp?selectedState=NY&selectedCountry=United+States

They can’t all be wrong. If you trust NOAA, I don’t know what else to say.


1,128 posted on 08/27/2011 1:19:22 PM PDT by mojitojoe (WH says potus didn’t feel the earthquake. No worries. Another is scheduled for November 2012)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Well, the fact that they made it surprises me but this may be a hidden blessing. They will get a transit shut down and any cab they want. The show will go on. It might be quite a treat.


1,129 posted on 08/27/2011 1:20:54 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: dirtboy

thanks....what I couldn’t understand is they had travel insurance, it would have paid out even before they left.


1,130 posted on 08/27/2011 1:21:30 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: eyedigress

Love your optimism! ha.

Guess I am a chicken.ha.


1,131 posted on 08/27/2011 1:22:41 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: Strategerist
I haven't heard word one on how the evacs are going. I just know that it sounds like there will be logjams of people as evacing north or south ( unless it's deep south ) isn't an option.
1,132 posted on 08/27/2011 1:22:46 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Those who trade land for peace will end up with neither one.)
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To: dirtboy

Sometimes you can’t get that money back.


1,133 posted on 08/27/2011 1:23:05 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Strategerist
Yeah, that 950 mb reading is a trip.

This beast really is like a hybrid between a n'oreaster and a hurricane, with bad traits from both. The huge fetch of a n'oreaster. With the rainfall of a hurricane. Size does matter in storms like these, which Ike demonstrated in 2008 (Ike was 'just' a category 2, not even a 'major' hurricane, but try explaining that to SE Texas).

1,134 posted on 08/27/2011 1:23:05 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: mojitojoe
rain is scarier than snow. Media is off the charts crazy with this one. I’ve never seen them like this before, not even with Katrina.

Well...he is, after all, the "food stamp" president.

1,135 posted on 08/27/2011 1:23:45 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: STARWISE

Those deaths were all caused bu people being outside messing around in bad weather. All preventable. If I went outside and bathed my on my veranda, during a bad thunderstorm and lightning struck me, who would be to blame? The bad storm or my stupidity? Tree limbs fall all of the time in the winter up north. They kill people sometimes, you just don’t hear about it because it’s not a big, bad scary storm with a real name.

I know you got scared in a hurricane that caused you to leave FL and I know some people just cannot handle them. Evacuation is an option that we always take advantage of. If they issue a mandatory evacuation, we leave. Sometimes we even leave when it’s not mandatory just because my wife hates to deal with the wind, noise, can’t let the dogs out to go to the bathroom, etc.


1,136 posted on 08/27/2011 1:25:39 PM PDT by mojitojoe (WH says potus didn’t feel the earthquake. No worries. Another is scheduled for November 2012)
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To: Severa

I rely on Norfolk/VA Beach (2+ hours) and Salisbury, MD (1hour) but both actually do include this location, Salisbury usually better than VABeach. Dealt with the same problem when I lived in Delaware. So I know exactly how you feel!


1,137 posted on 08/27/2011 1:27:12 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: mojitojoe
...wookie, we all know you had more plastic surgery when you were MIA for 3 weeks

What, did she have her fat @$$ relocated, uh...upwards?

1,138 posted on 08/27/2011 1:27:46 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

It didn’t look good last night, but landfall actually went west of Pamlico Snd, so this storm will struggle to keep strength.


1,139 posted on 08/27/2011 1:29:24 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Wow, I can’t believe they went! And they forgot their cell phones? Eegads! Maybe you could call her husband Sunday or Monday and find out how they’re faring. I’d be curious to know!


1,140 posted on 08/27/2011 1:30:53 PM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: eyedigress
this storm will struggle to keep strength.

Recon just dropped in the eye; 950 mb, which is LOWER than when it made landfall. And it's going to be offshore in a bit.

1,141 posted on 08/27/2011 1:31:46 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: penelopesire

I’m staying with friends who don’t have cable so have only seen local news and have missed most of the hype but from what I gather reading this thread- the cables are really over the top for Irene. Are they going nuts?


1,142 posted on 08/27/2011 1:32:22 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

They will have a blast. Good on ya to care so much!


1,143 posted on 08/27/2011 1:33:18 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: penelopesire

Thanks, Pen. :)


1,144 posted on 08/27/2011 1:35:29 PM PDT by Miss Didi ("After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: STARWISE

Thanks, Star...nice to see you here. :)


1,145 posted on 08/27/2011 1:37:26 PM PDT by Miss Didi ("After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Strategerist

Did you ever look up the steer from the mid-atlantic, This storm is going to lose the gulf stream now, but get influenced by the jet stream. I don’t see any factor that would allow maintaining or strengthening.


1,146 posted on 08/27/2011 1:37:40 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: NautiNurse
NASA's Wallops Flight Facility

‎4:30 p.m. Report from Wallops EOC: main base rain totals are 10.34 inches. Winds have calmed a bit. Sustained currently between 35 and 45 mph. Highest gust reported so far is 66 mph. There are waves crashing over the rocks on the Island but no severe flooding at this time. Conditions expected to worsen as the evening continues.

1,147 posted on 08/27/2011 1:38:13 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: dirtboy

Yeah, there are argumentative jerks on almost every thread (no matter what the subject matter!); I don’t even bother to waste my time responding.


1,148 posted on 08/27/2011 1:38:23 PM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I cracked up when Fox showed a shot of Times Square and Sheppie said that the only people who were out and about were tourists who didn’t know what was going on. :)


1,149 posted on 08/27/2011 1:40:30 PM PDT by Miss Didi ("After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Cementjungle

LOL!!!!!!


1,150 posted on 08/27/2011 1:40:37 PM PDT by mojitojoe (WH says potus didn’t feel the earthquake. No worries. Another is scheduled for November 2012)
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