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(Ron) Paul: No such thing as an independent Israel (Iran's State TV- Press TV Interview)
Iran's Press TV ^ | 12/2008 | Jihan Hafiz

Posted on 08/26/2011 10:10:01 PM PDT by mnehring



Ron Paul, House representative of the 14th district of Texas, believes that US foreign policy must be reformed to avoid conflicts around the world.

The interview was conducted outside the Foreign Relations Committee.



Press TV: What is your opinion on the idea of the US blocking Iran's oil exports and preventing its gasoline imports from reaching the country (based on H. Con. Res. 362 previously sought by US congressmen)?

Paul: I think it is an outrage I think it is a blockade. It is the use of force to stop the inflow of petroleum products and people and goods, banking, trains, cars, trucks, cargos. It's all prohibited. How can we stop that without the use of the navy and without the use of force? This idea is not a blockade it is just pure silliness on their part [US senators and congressmen].

If we bomb them, that's the start of hostilities. They (US policy makers) are never willing to take anything off the table, which includes a nuclear-first strike. So, if they do that do you think the Iranians are going to sit still? They are going to react!

The opposition said that, well, we don't want them to block the Strait of Hormuz [the Persian Gulf waterway which allows the passages of a third of the world's daily oil supply]. They ought to change their policy because they are more likely to get the Strait of Hormuz blocked if we persist on this. If we do any bombing or we put on a blockade, it's going to lead to big trouble.

Press TV: There has been a lot of speculation that Israel may act on its own and conduct an independent air strike on Iran's nuclear facilities. Do you think that's possible?


Paul: I don't think there is such a thing as an independent Israel doing anything, because I think no matter what they do its our money, its our weapons, and their not going to do it without us approving it and if they get into trouble we're going to bail them out, so there is no separation between the two.

Press TV: During your line of questioning at the Foreign Relations Committee you mentioned the Seymour Hersh article, which was among the articles that revealed that the Congress had awarded the Bush administration hundreds of millions of dollars for a covert operation to overthrow the Iranian government. Why did you mention those stories?

Paul: Well it's something that I have known about and heard about and it does go on. It goes on all around the world. To me it was a surprise that it was news, because we have been doing that and people do talk about it. I think it's an outrage. How would we react if somebody did it to us? We would be infuriated, willing to go to war. The fact that somebody came and tried to undermine our government.

MJ/AA


TOPICS: Israel; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
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1 posted on 08/26/2011 10:10:11 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Bump.


2 posted on 08/26/2011 10:14:04 PM PDT by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: SJackson; BlackElk

ping of interest


3 posted on 08/26/2011 10:15:56 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

I was really hoping for him to be drilling the money printers right about now. I guess he got paid off....


4 posted on 08/26/2011 10:18:01 PM PDT by allmost
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To: allmost

Since January he has been in the catbird seat of his so called, best policy strength, the chairman of the monetary policy committee, and he has done, jack and squat.


5 posted on 08/26/2011 10:20:22 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Ron Paul is an Anti-semitic NUT


6 posted on 08/26/2011 10:22:33 PM PDT by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from evil and from those perpetuating it, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: mnehring

He had one major endearing quality and it seems to be horse $hit. Jack and squat should sue. Ron Paul has no defense.


7 posted on 08/26/2011 10:24:06 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Jmouse007

The last paragraph is very interesting and borders on treason. Basically, Ron Paul confirms secret clandestine operations to an agency of the Iranian government. He is a government official confirming knowledge of clandestine activities accused of by the press.


8 posted on 08/26/2011 10:24:36 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring
Ron Paul demonstrates once again why he is not a serious candidate for the presidency.

Yet he revels in his role as a distraction.

A dangerous distraction...

9 posted on 08/26/2011 10:30:49 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: mnehring

All I can say is thank goodness this guy will never be President..he is a whack job..and his hatred for Israel oozes out, he gives me the creeps


10 posted on 08/26/2011 10:35:39 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: mnehring
It's too bad, really. There's a lot that I really, really like about libertarianism. Smaller government. Hands off economics. Live and let live. I love it. Big fan.

What I don't understand is why capital (L) libertarians seem to go insane once foreign policy is involved. And I could Ron Paul in that group. I just don't get it. There's certainly an argument to be made for a reduced U.S. presence in the world, getting rid of foreign aid boondoogles, etc.

But getting on Iranian TV to complain about the Joooos? Really? Really?

11 posted on 08/26/2011 10:38:51 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: mnehring

This man is a total ass.

Israel is very powerful all on its own. The weapons they possess belong to them and not the US. Their nuclear capabilities are of their own design and manufacture. In fact it was mainly a bunch of Jews who gave the US nuclear capability in the 40’s so we could end WW2 with unconditional surrender of the enemy.

US aid to Israel over the years and military support have kept Israel from the necessity of utterly destroying their enemies with overwhelming force. Is this a good thing? I’m uncertain.... wars must be won to be brought to an end.

Had we handled Japan as the world seems to think Israel must handle their foes then we would still be at war with them.


12 posted on 08/26/2011 10:43:56 PM PDT by Bobalu (He who is compassionate to the cruel will ultimately become cruel to the compassionate)
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To: Jmouse007

Which is a most odd thing to say considering that Arabs are ALSO Semites & that Paul is not even against the existence of Israel & presuming that everyone in Israel is a Semite. Let’s not attack the only true conservative in the race over petty foreign based politics. Paul would implement policies that would reverse the demise & bankrupting of America - he is not running to be the President of a foreign nation.


13 posted on 08/26/2011 10:44:16 PM PDT by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: mnehring

Crazy Azz Crackuh!


14 posted on 08/26/2011 10:45:26 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
..he is a whack job..and his hatred for Israel oozes out...

Yep, he could give O'bamah lessons on betraying Israel and chummying up to rouge Islamic states.

15 posted on 08/26/2011 10:46:18 PM PDT by ARepublicanForAllReasons (The world will be a better place when humanity learns not to try to make it a perfect place)
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To: Republic_of_Secession.

Oh good grief, first, true Conservative is a laugh. He is a moderate libertarian at best. Second, regarding financial issues, I guess you forgot the Constitution- all bills of taxation, revenue, and spending originate in Congress- where Paul is already that, and other than flap his gums, he has been a failure at that. He is in what should be the best position for him now, chairman of the monetary policy committee and he has done jack and squat in that role....

President of the United States primary role is Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces. This also includes negotiating treaties with other nations, something Paul is against yet the Constitution puts in high regard and says should be considered ‘high law of the land’.

So basically, what he proclaims to be his main goal he should be accomplishing now- he isn’t. He instead wants to move into the role that is his weakest on policy.

The man is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.


16 posted on 08/26/2011 10:49:38 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Republic_of_Secession.
Which is a most odd thing to say considering that Arabs are ALSO Semites & that Paul is not even against the existence of Israel & presuming that everyone in Israel is a Semite.

Nice word mincing. I'll play.

Ron Paul is an anti-Zionist. The Zionist Entity is our ally. Their form of government is most like ours, and represents the best hope for the world in general, and the Middle East in specific. Abandoning them to 8th century theocrats and local tinhorn dictators is not in our best long term interest, even if it would defuse some short term regional problems.

We do need libertarian domestic politics to reverse the bankrupting of America, but we should not abandon our fellow outposts of civilization out of naked expediency. We've already erred too far in our global reach. We don't need to compensate by going equally overboard in global retreat.

17 posted on 08/26/2011 10:53:55 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: mnehring

No friend of Israel for sure. I’m telling you, after reading the article, I’m convinced this old S.O.B. really is friggin’ wacked.


18 posted on 08/26/2011 11:27:20 PM PDT by no dems (No matter who it might be, when I find out a person is a Democrat, I lose respect for them.)
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To: no dems

He’s been a complete nut for some time.

That doesn’t slow down the Ron Paul sect followers.


19 posted on 08/26/2011 11:36:13 PM PDT by DB
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To: Jmouse007; mnehring; Allegra; SJackson; allmost; Steel Wolf; Sarah Barracuda; okie01; Bobalu

Of great historical use is Jeffrey Lords’ recent article in the American Spectator, identifying paleoPaulie’s idjit foreign policy ravings as rooted among anti-Semites, pacifists and isolationists of BOTH parties, such as Burton Wheeler, William Borah, Robert LaFollette, Sr. and Jr. and the rest of their ilk. Paul is a fraud and a looney tune libertoonian, as well. He is most certainly NOT a conservative as that term is normally applied. IT is no accident that he is buddies with Alex Jones and the Trufers.


20 posted on 08/26/2011 11:42:54 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Burn 'em Bright!!!)
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To: mnehring
How can we describe Ron Paul?

post 6 Anti-Semitic Nut, 7 horse $hit, 9 Dangerous distraction, 10 whack job, 12 total ass, 13 true conservative, 14 Crazy Azz Crackuh, 16 moderate libertarian, 17 anti-Zionist, 18 friggin wacked.

To those whose descriptions I overlooked, feel free to make additions posts. For those who have not entered their descriptions yet, fire away.

My description? My brother's favorite senile crackpot.

21 posted on 08/27/2011 12:02:58 AM PDT by tdscpa
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To: Steel Wolf

In Ron Paul and Rand Paul we see a revival of the Old Right - anti-Semitic (to some people, anti-Zionist Entity), isolationist, sympathetic to fascist regimes, state’s rights even when the state violates the civil rights of some citizens, and anti-Federalist with longings for a kinder, gentler version of the old Confederacy.

A good litmus test is to ask one of these super-patriots what he thinks of Abraham Lincoln, whether we should have fought the Nazis, and whether there was a need for civil rights legislation. If you ask about Israel, you may be treated to a diatribe about how we can’t hear the “truth” about Zionism because “those people” control everything. There are some people who are at least partly fascist but they try to hide it with libertarian slogans. There are good people who are libertarians, there are others who might have some libertarian ideas in economics but who have a toxic brew of really bad ideas in other areas.


22 posted on 08/27/2011 12:05:32 AM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: BlackElk

Jeffrey Lord is a historical dunce. He made so many factual errors regarding the Founding Fathers and their intent that he can only be accurately described as “just another name-calling RINO seeking to make a buck”.

If you want a good analysis of Jeffrey Lord’s “research” (so-called), listen to this interview of Doctors Tom Woods and Kevin Gutzman at:

http://mikechurch.com/Public-Transcripts/jeffrey-lord-doesnt-know-founders-or-ron-paul.html

BTW, during the interview, the book “The Roosevelt Myth” is mentioned. I highly recommend it.


23 posted on 08/27/2011 12:09:43 AM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: BlackElk

Jeffrey Lord is a historical dunce. He made so many factual errors regarding the Founding Fathers and their intent that he can only be accurately described as “just another name-calling RINO seeking to make a buck”.

If you want a good analysis of Jeffrey Lord’s “research” (so-called), listen to this interview of Doctors Tom Woods and Kevin Gutzman at:

http://mikechurch.com/Public-Transcripts/jeffrey-lord-doesnt-know-founders-or-ron-paul.html

BTW, during the interview, the book “The Roosevelt Myth” is mentioned. I highly recommend it.


24 posted on 08/27/2011 12:09:54 AM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: Wilhelm Tell

>>>...sympathetic to fascist regimes...<<<

Do you RINO’s ever get tired of name-calling?

Fascists are big-government socialists. Ron Paul is the antithesis of a fascist. If you read a little history, you will find that the fascists take control of the economy and industry. In other words, you end up with a nationalized auto industry (e.g, like GM and Chrysler, or “Government Motors”), nationalized finance (like Dodd-Frank and the bailouts), etc.. In other words, you will have a leader like Barrack Obama.

Abe Lincoln was a true tyrant, and his much-heralded Emancipation Proclamation did not free a single slave. He banned slavery in the Southern states (where he had no control), but allowed slavery in the Northern states. So, slaves under his control remained slaves until after the war. His own general, Ulysses Grant, kept his slaves until after the war. Lincoln was slicker than Bill Clinton.

But I am not as eloquent as some, so I quote the unapologetic historical scholar, Thomas J. DiLorenzo:

“It was Lincoln who, immediately upon taking office, declared himself dictator, ignored the Constitution, abolished civil liberty in the Northern states, and waged total war on fellow citizens, killing 300,000 of them because they no longer consented to being governed by Washington, D.C. and politicians like himself. He did all of this on behalf of an abstraction he labeled “the mystic chords of union.” This was not unlike how future tyrants would kill hundreds of thousands, or millions, of their own people for the sake of “creating socialist man,” “the master race,” and other collectivist abstractions.”

In other words, Lincoln was a fascist tyrant.


25 posted on 08/27/2011 12:27:59 AM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: BlackElk

That Alex Jones is a real piece-o-work... a looney alarmist.
I’m not at all surprised that Paul finds kinship with someone of his ilk.


26 posted on 08/27/2011 12:31:25 AM PDT by Bobalu (He who is compassionate to the cruel will ultimately become cruel to the compassionate)
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To: tdscpa

>>To those whose descriptions I overlooked, feel free to make additions posts. <<

Instead of name-calling, like a Barrack Obama Crazy, why don’t you try some political discourse? Is that too much to ask?


27 posted on 08/27/2011 12:34:12 AM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: BlackElk
I pity Paul's supporters.

They take him seriously.

But he doesn't take them seriously...

28 posted on 08/27/2011 12:36:32 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Jmouse007

>>Ron Paul is an Anti-semitic NUT<<

Wow! How could I possibly argue with your logic? You so eloquently and completely described why Ron Paul is an anti-semitic nut, I would be a fool not to believe you.

BTW, exactly why is Ron Paul anti-semitic? I am Jewish, and I don’t think he has an anti-semitic bone in his body. In fact, his ideology is strongly influenced by Murray Rothbard and Ludwig von Mises, both Jews. How can one be both anti-semitic and an admirer of Jews at the same time?

Maybe Ron Paul does not like the actions of SOME Jews. I love my Jewish parents and siblings, but I personally hate the actions of the ACLU, founded by Jews. I hate all loud-mouth Jews, like Chuck Schumer and Jon Stewart. I hate all dishonest Jews, such as the majority of Wall Street executives. And I truly hate the Jews that run the major media outlets and Hollywood — the ones who have corrupted our culture. But I also hate the Gentiles who did the same. So maybe I just hate evil and love liberty. Ron Paul hates evil and loves liberty, so I believe he is a pretty good fellow.

Ron Paul is a strict constructionist (an ideology foreign to all liberals and nearly all so-called conservatives). Keep that in mind the next time you spout your venom.


29 posted on 08/27/2011 12:55:41 AM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: Jmouse007

Have you read the Constitution and/or read the Federalist Papers? Ron Paul is the closest politician to our founding fathers. Oh damn! Now I’ve said it. All of the republicans here will get mad and talk about all of the wars we should be fighting.

Our foreign policy under both Republican and Democrat Presidents is a complete joke. We are spinning our wheels trying spread Judeo Christian values in muslim countries.

It’s stupid. C’mon be honest. If China invaded the USA and was spreading “Communisim” with the barrel of gun...would you take it? Or fight back? To quote Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.” And he was 100% correct. That is because we will defend our values, our sovereignty, our honor and most importantly our freedom. Get the point?

Please ask yourself......Are your proud of the country we are? Are we better or worse than we were 50 years ago? Look at us...we have destroyed our country (both democrats and republicans). 16 Trillon in debt (now), a decadent society, half of the population getting some kind of handout from the govt.

We are a joke. Say what you want. I am not proud of our country anymore. I am proud of what we once were and I am proud of our founding fathers. And most of all I am proud of the the Constitution. Our country is trashed. Be honest with yourselves.....today’s republicans are like the democrats of old. This country will collapse in the next two years due to the dollar losing it’s reserve currency status.

And for the record....the true fools are the liberals. But as a former staunch republican...I can no longer support the status quo. Go ahead and go with Perry or whoever..things will never change.

Most of you criticizing on Ron Paul have never listened to him. Keep voting the same way....endless wars, endless debt, endless decadence....the end of America. I hope you are ready for what is coming. It’s not going to be pretty. See my tag line below. And by the way....love all you FREEpers out there. Love the intelligent debate.....Oh and one last thing Ron Paul 2012!!!!


30 posted on 08/27/2011 1:33:17 AM PDT by pacman50 (2nd Amendment=Freedom)
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To: Wilhelm Tell

I noticed in your personal profile that you are a fan of Friedrich Hayek. The following links are Ron and Rand Paul on Hayek:

Ron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qosr3zRhfgc

Rand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCucWFRDtgQ&feature=related


31 posted on 08/27/2011 1:33:23 AM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: PhilipFreneau
Ron Paul is a strict constructionist

It is my understanding that Ron Paul opposes foreign aid on constitutional grounds. In 1791, the President, George Washington; the Vice President, John Adams; and the Secretary of State, Thomas Jefferson, all approved an act of appropriations by Congress to pay tribute to Morocco.

From the perspective of the Constitution, there is no substantive difference between tribute and aid since neither is addressed.

If Ron Paul is a strict constructionist, then how does he explain Congress' action here, and his own interpretation of the Constitution regarding foreign aid.

32 posted on 08/27/2011 1:45:09 AM PDT by csense
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To: csense

We shouldn’t give OUR money to anyone. Look at our country now. F that.


33 posted on 08/27/2011 1:50:32 AM PDT by pacman50 (2nd Amendment=Freedom)
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To: pacman50
We shouldn’t give OUR money to anyone. Look at our country now. F that.

I'm arguing a principle, not making a personal statement and considering I've asked this question twice before with no response, I'd like someone to comment on it.

34 posted on 08/27/2011 1:59:01 AM PDT by csense
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To: csense

In fact...I want MY money back. It is being stolen from me at threat of imprisonment and given to crack addicts and banks. I want to keep what I earn. If you like giving to people who don’t work or to the ultra rich.... go ahead, I am an average joe...and I WANT MY money. Too much to ask?


35 posted on 08/27/2011 1:59:49 AM PDT by pacman50 (2nd Amendment=Freedom)
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To: csense

I am answering you. Things have changed now. 16 trillion in debt enough for you?


36 posted on 08/27/2011 2:01:06 AM PDT by pacman50 (2nd Amendment=Freedom)
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To: pacman50

“If China invaded the USA and was spreading “Communisim” with the barrel of gun.”

Democratic republicanism is morally superior to Communism. All of those men and women with purple fingers did not fear American guns.


37 posted on 08/27/2011 2:06:44 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: csense

Oh...and I see you were a Marine. Thank you for serving sir. I have a lot of friends that are former Marines and my son will be joining in a few years.


38 posted on 08/27/2011 2:07:29 AM PDT by pacman50 (2nd Amendment=Freedom)
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To: hocndoc

I take it you mean the Iraqis? The country is a joke. Do you think we are really helping? Sure small pockets here and there. Do you really think that Judeo Christian values will take ahold in Iraq? C’mon....ask anyone that has served....once we leave it is going back. We are ruling with a gun.


39 posted on 08/27/2011 2:10:38 AM PDT by pacman50 (2nd Amendment=Freedom)
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To: pacman50
I am answering you.

Yes, I know you're answering me, but you're not addressing the argument. Thank you for your responses anyway....

40 posted on 08/27/2011 2:12:14 AM PDT by csense
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To: hocndoc

Sounds like you may have misinterpreted what I wrote. To make it clear (just in case). If anyone invaded our country I would be on the front lines with my fellow patriots...defending against the invaders. Of course the USA has a superior form of govt than any other in the world. But we are becoming worse....


41 posted on 08/27/2011 2:15:40 AM PDT by pacman50 (2nd Amendment=Freedom)
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To: pacman50

I served in peace time, so I can’t hold a candle to the Marines who are in today. Good luck to your son. Semper Fi.


42 posted on 08/27/2011 2:15:56 AM PDT by csense
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To: csense

Semper Fi my friend.


43 posted on 08/27/2011 2:16:21 AM PDT by pacman50 (2nd Amendment=Freedom)
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To: pacman50

Hopefully your vision of the future is as flawed as your interpretation of the past and present.

It all depends on whether entropy or a desire for the inalienable right to liberty within the Iraqis will prevail.


44 posted on 08/27/2011 2:16:41 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: hocndoc

I do hope the best for the Iraqis. But I believe that they have the right to forge their own future with out interference. I am a Catholic and I don’t want anyone to impose another religious based value on me at the barrel of a gun. Is that bad?


45 posted on 08/27/2011 2:26:15 AM PDT by pacman50 (2nd Amendment=Freedom)
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To: pacman50

Isn’t that true freedom?


46 posted on 08/27/2011 2:31:37 AM PDT by pacman50 (2nd Amendment=Freedom)
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To: pacman50

Bueller?


47 posted on 08/27/2011 2:44:59 AM PDT by pacman50 (2nd Amendment=Freedom)
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To: mnehring


48 posted on 08/27/2011 3:46:42 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction." Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: PhilipFreneau; All
"...I quote the unapologetic historical scholar, Thomas J. DiLorenzo..."

For those interested, here is a rebuttal to DiLorenzo:

http://hidhist.wordpress.com/lincoln/thomas-j-dilorenzos-the-real-lincoln-a-rebuttal/

Here's an excerpt concerning one 0f the claims in question:

Page 35: (First edition) “At the same time, it is important to note that Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation did not free a single slave.” (The second edition uses the same language.) This is simply absurd on its face, for the Emancipation Proclamation was the legal authority for the freeing of most of the slaves in the South. For example, all of the slaves in Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and Florida, were freed under the authority of the Emancipation Proclamation; freedom perhaps did not come until the Union Army arrived, but once this happened the slaves in that area were free. Moreover, any slaves from these areas who had escaped to Union lines — and there were many in this category — would have been freed from bondage the instant the Proclamation went into effect. The fact is, while some Union-occupied parts of the Confederacy were exempted from the Proclamation (notably Tennessee, southeastern Louisiana, the new state of West Virginia, and eastern Virginia) some were not. Northern Virginia was not exempted, nor were northern Mississippi and Alabama, nor coastal North and South Carolina. Any slaves in these regions would have been freed as soon as the Proclamation was issued. A good article (with a nice map) is “After the Emancipation Proclamation,” by William C. Harris, North & South, vol. 5, no. 1, pp. 42-53. The efforts of the anonymous website to defend DiLorenzo’s error seem tortured, to me.

49 posted on 08/27/2011 4:02:25 AM PDT by csense
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To: pacman50
I have listened to him and stand by my original post:

Ron Paul is a NUT!

50 posted on 08/27/2011 4:16:17 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from evil and from those perpetuating it, in Jesus name, amen.)
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