Posted on 08/27/2011 10:07:19 AM PDT by fishtank
National Public Radio recently interviewed Trinity Western University biologist Dennis Venema, who stated his belief that humans did not descend from Adam and Eve.1 Venema, an evangelical evolutionist, claimed that genetics studies show "there is no way we can be traced back to a single couple."2 Do the data really contradict the biblical account of human history?
"Given the genetic variation of people today, [Venema] says scientists can't get that [starting] population size below 10,000 people at any time in our evolutionary history," NPR reported.2 But this claim fails for three reasons. First, it relies on the presumption of "evolutionary history," not scientific data. Second, the idea that an initial group of 10,000 humans evolved from primates is mathematically impossible. Third, a descent from Adam and Eve actually does explain the patterns in modern human genetics....
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All of us get that ~ dogs, cats, people, monkeys.
Fish don't!
I agree, revelation suggests rather strongly that Adam and Eve were historical individuals.
Not sure when we can place them within the archaeological and paleontological record, but it’s best when we are not sure of something to simply admit we’re not sure and keep trying to find out, rather than forcing bad conclusions in either the science or theology.
Evem some top religious figure say there is room for both, if you are willing to believe in Creationism for the starting line. I know ther is proof-positive for mutations, but they are almost exclusively fatal changes. Then there is breeding bad traits out for survival (or because the bad traits died out) like monkeys having almost no neck - a longer neck tends to break easier when young ones fall out of trees.
While ther is must evidence that seems to point at evolution, it cannot be proved (as of today anyway) any more than Creationism can be disproved.
Here's your grenade back - it looks like you forgot to pull the pin - although there are sure to be some who will pull it themselves...
Some of modern humans are dead-ends also
:-)
Evolution says you are an accident with no purpose.
Religion says just the opposite.
Evolution has never been proven, but religion keeps getting proven based on our studies of the universe.
Kinda like the old Dixiecrat bumper-sticker.
"I love God, I own a gun, I vote Democrat."
Always wanted to add, "I are stupid"...
What evolutionary processes where? I have never seen the theory of evolution ever proven. As of today it is still a theory.
The theory of evolution has never been proven. Would you care to?
The one problem with creation AND evolution is that in order for evolution to work, multiple generations of whatever species would be involved.
Any Christian who knows his or her Bible knows that death entered into the world through ADAMS sin. Before Adam, there was no death; making evolution impossible.
Mathematically, once you get your ancestors lined up, going back so many generations (I forget the number but it isn't that many - we are ALL, every man, woman and child on earth, genetically related.
If you have your genealogy traced back far enough, you will see that it's shaped in a diamond pattern, starting with you at the bottom and building up with your 2 parents, 4 grandparents, 8 great greats - etc. After some generations, you will start finding the same sets of great great 12-plus generations back, turning up in the generation more than once.
For example, I have 5 lines going back the Gov. Wm. Bradford of the Mayflower. He is my 7th great grandfather, 10 generations from me. In that generation, we all have thousands of great great couples. (Took a lot of people to make you!)
AS the marriages in the same areas come down through the lines, you will find people from the same lines marrying - cousins many generations removed - but leading back to a common ancestor.
The further back you go, the more the duplication as the numbers of separate couple begin to fold the actual numbers of separate couples back - until you reach to top of the diamond shape with ONE person sitting there.
So what does that say?
"We hold these truths to be self-evident (ie as plain as the nose on your face), that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men..."
And the coelacanth evolved into a....? Oh, it didn’t. Even after 400 million years it is still a coelacanth.
Because there's still ape habitat that people don't want.
And incidentally, humans didn't evolve from apes: humans, apes, chimps, gibbons and gorillas all evolved from some common ancestor who, like the mammoth and eohippus, is no longer with us.
Really? I'd be interested in seeing that as part of the theory of evolution.
Religion says just the opposite.
Really? All religions say that?
Evolution has never been proven, but religion keeps getting proven based on our studies of the universe.
When did we prove that the world sprang forth from a three-headed god that came from a lotus flower growing in the navel of another god?
Elephants and mammoths both lived on the Earth at the same time; the latter until ~10,000 years ago with the end of the last ice age.
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