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The Plastic Sandwich Bag Flunks
new york times ^ | 10/26/11 | STEPHANIE CLIFFORD

Posted on 08/28/2011 5:27:23 PM PDT by mathprof

Many retailers and schools are advocating waste-free options for back-to-school shoppers this year, especially when it comes to lunch. School lists call for Tupperware instead of Ziplocs, neoprene lunch bags instead of brown paper ones, and aluminum water bottles, not the throwaway plastic versions.

Sales of environmentally friendly back-to-school products are up just about everywhere. At the Container Store, the increase is 30 percent over last year for some items, said Mona Williams, the company’s vice president of buying. “We have seen a huge resurgence,” she said.

The trend makes the schools happy (much less garbage). It makes the stores happy (higher back-to-school spending). It even makes the students happy (green feels good).

Who’s not happy? The parents (what to do when the Tupperware runs out?).

“Ziplocs are the biggest misstep,” said Julie Corbett, a mother in Oakland, Calif., whose two girls attend a school with an eco-friendly lunch policy. In school years past, she said, many a morning came unhinged when the girls were sent to school with disposable sandwich bags.

“That’s when the kids have meltdowns, because they don’t want to be shamed at school,” Ms. Corbett said. “It’s a big deal.”

Schools have been adopting environmentally friendly policies for ecological and budget reasons, and retailers have been rushing to fill the newfound demand with store-front promotions and aggressive marketing. Staples has rows of eco-friendly lunch containers, like an Extreme flap lunchbox case with a compartment for plastic food boxes, and a Yak Pak lunch tote that looks like a purse.

Many of the schools are pushing waste-free lunches, where everything must be either compostable or reusable, in an effort to reduce garbage and the cost of hauling it away.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bigoil; education; environmentalism; lunches; oil; parents; plastic; publicschools; schoollunches; schools; tupperware
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To: mathprof

It’s not about ‘waste free’..

It’s about the economy. Buying in a way so you don’t have to go back and buy it again in a month.
Millions and millions don’t have jobs or homes...

IT’S THE ECONOMY, STUPID.


51 posted on 08/28/2011 6:04:53 PM PDT by Freddd (NoPA ngineers.)
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To: Glenn

Her pouch is a #4? That’s not very good — 1’s and 2’s are the best, by #4 you might as well be burying it in a waste disposal site. My family re-uses gatorade bottles. Note that means first we re-use, and then after a while, we recycle them — they are #1s, highly recyclable.

And we don’t have to throw out a perfectly reusable outer shell that must have taken a lot of energy to produce.


52 posted on 08/28/2011 6:05:31 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: mathprof

I can see it now, a new position, someone paid to observe the garbage can and scowl at children.

They are missing the point here, with single stream recycling we can pay ever more people to pick through garbage, it might be the only job growth under Obama. And, it’s all you can eat...!


53 posted on 08/28/2011 6:05:44 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: mathprof

The girls should just eat the bags, too. Turn them into compost that way, and leave the remains on the school lawn ... late at night, from a drive-by of course.


54 posted on 08/28/2011 6:08:39 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I remember when schools were about learning.

Since when do schools get to mandate how parents pack their kids' lunch?

55 posted on 08/28/2011 6:08:57 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: mathprof

No reusable bottle for our district. All beverages that come into school must be seeled. They had a problem with high schoolers bringing gin, vodka and rum in water bottles.


56 posted on 08/28/2011 6:09:58 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (0 - 537 They ALL must go.)
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To: Cheetahcat

Yep - sort of like the peanut butter jar. Not that it is a pain in the butt to clean before recyling it - I just don’t want to waste the water. It takes two washes and two rinses or more to really get them clean. (Worth the effort though for the kid’s science experiments, bug collections, etc.)

My 93 year old mom would be a star at these schools. Could probably teach them something from her Depression era frugalness. The only one I know that has used plastic bread bags washed and hanging to dry in her million dollar plus vacation home!


57 posted on 08/28/2011 6:15:22 PM PDT by 21twelve (Obama Recreating the New Deal: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts)
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To: mathprof

How much longer before proctologists recycle latex gloves?


58 posted on 08/28/2011 6:18:45 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: 21twelve
"Yep - sort of like the peanut butter jar. Not that it is a pain in the butt to clean before recyling it - I just don’t want to waste the water. It takes two washes and two rinses or more to really get them clean. (Worth the effort though for the kid’s science experiments, bug collections, etc.) My 93 year old mom would be a star at these schools. Could probably teach them something from her Depression era frugalness. The only one I know that has used plastic bread bags washed and hanging to dry in her million dollar plus vacation home!"

LMAO She has earned the right to do as she pleases,Those difficult times made real people,The very ones who built this place!

59 posted on 08/28/2011 6:22:23 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Carnival commie side show, started November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: mathprof

Hmmm... might be an opening here for Japanese style bento (lunch) boxes. They come in all kinds of colorful and amusing designs. Perfect for leftovers and sanwiches. Most are leakproof and have movable partitions for different portion sizes...

I need to look into this.


60 posted on 08/28/2011 6:23:59 PM PDT by Ronin (Obamanation has replaced Bizarroworld as the most twisted place in the universe.)
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To: mathprof

Why can’t the kids just drop the empty Ziplock bags into a recycling bin??? Tupperware requires wahing (either by hand using HOT water and detergent or in the dishwasher.....therefore using ENERGY). Gawd! Libtards lack COMMON SENSE!


61 posted on 08/28/2011 6:24:26 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Mr. Weiner...Don' t Tweet your meat. It's too late to delete!)
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To: Glenn; Madame Dufarge

So... You have two things to throw away afterward, and repurchase from ECOLOGIC.

And they are disguised as suntan lotion.


62 posted on 08/28/2011 6:33:00 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Madame Dufarge

Funny how they don’t mention that the Canadian milk pouch idea was SCRAPPED 10 years ago, when it proved less than popular with everyone but the greenies.

I still have the little jug that the 2/3 empty bags would fall out of. I use it for fruit juices now.


63 posted on 08/28/2011 6:34:10 PM PDT by Don W (You can forget what you do for a living when your knees are in the breeze.)
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To: Drill Thrawl

They had a problem with high schoolers bringing gin, vodka and rum in water bottles.

Hahaha, we used to bring ours in oranges.


64 posted on 08/28/2011 6:37:31 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: mathprof

Ever notice that every issue, event or societal change rapidly degrades into just another marketing binge?


65 posted on 08/28/2011 6:38:12 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Muslims who advocate, support, or carry out Jihad give the other 1% a bad name)
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To: Future Snake Eater

I can see Johnny now:
“Psst Dude can I score a Tupperware of Weed?”


66 posted on 08/28/2011 6:53:11 PM PDT by troy McClure
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To: All
Why not just ban from-home lunches like the school in Obama's own Chicago? That way NO child has to suffer the devastating humiliation of having an earth-killing ziploc baggie. That'll even avoid buying all those earth-killing, carbon releasing, big oil-dependent tupperware containers.

“Ziplocs are the biggest misstep,” said Julie Corbett, a mother in Oakland, Calif., whose two girls attend a school with an eco-friendly lunch policy. In school years past, she said, many a morning came unhinged when the girls were sent to school with disposable sandwich bags.

“That’s when the kids have meltdowns, because they don’t want to be shamed at school,” Ms. Corbett said. “It’s a big deal.”

Is she kidding? I fear for any male who dates either of her daughters.

Neoprene lunch bags? Aren't those a bacteria farm?

67 posted on 08/28/2011 6:55:07 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: seowulf

My granddaughter and grandson take their lunch everyday, they just will not eat the crap they serve at school. Everyday their lunchboxes come home with the garbage in them. What the heck are they talking about. I am sure most kids just throw that crap back in there and carry it home.


68 posted on 08/28/2011 6:57:33 PM PDT by sheana
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To: Cheetahcat
We had wax paper over our sandwiches in brown bags

The brown paper bag was reused from a store purchase. After lunch it was folded up and brought home in our back pocket to be reused again.

The wax paper was reused to polish the steel slide during daily recess.

Kids in the local schools now have no slides. There are also no monkey bars, swings or hand powered merry-go-rounds. (TOO DANGEROUS!)

They also only get one 15-minute recess a week!


69 posted on 08/28/2011 7:06:01 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Muslims who advocate, support, or carry out Jihad give the other 1% a bad name)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Parents can teach kids the term “eco-weenie”, the valuable skill of appearing to care while really believing the opposite (a skill they’ll sometimes need later in life, perhaps at work) and most valuable lesson of all - the importance of not caring what eco-weenies say or think.

I toss my plastic water bottles and plastic grocery store lunch bags into the trash while my eco-friendly co-workers carefully put theirs in the recycle bin.

70 posted on 08/28/2011 7:08:04 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: netmilsmom

If its in tupperware, why use a bag?........


71 posted on 08/28/2011 7:15:48 PM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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To: Glenn

72 posted on 08/28/2011 7:25:30 PM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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To: Red Badger

Because the tupperware gets filthy. Even if I use Dawn to wash it, it always feels greasy. So it’s either the fold over plastic bags or a bit of Saran Wrap.


73 posted on 08/28/2011 7:25:58 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: netmilsmom

RUBBERMAID makes some nice sandwich sized containers that are clear and clean really well.

http://www.rubbermaid.com/Category/Pages/ProductDetail.aspx?Prod_Id=RP091259


74 posted on 08/28/2011 7:32:33 PM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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To: netmilsmom
My eco-friendly childhood lunch container and reusable drink holder.


75 posted on 08/28/2011 7:33:00 PM PDT by garandgal
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To: Ronin

I just bought a Pikachu bento box for my daughter. She wants to make bento, complete with rice balls, sausage octopus and apple rabbits.

Have you ever seen “Cooking with Dog”? (the dog is the narrator)

http://youtu.be/-_hbPLsZvvo


76 posted on 08/28/2011 7:36:02 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: mathprof

They recoiled in horror when I brought my roasted buffalo haunch for lunch tied up in a in fresh cured hide.

Hypocrites.


77 posted on 08/28/2011 7:37:50 PM PDT by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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To: Red Badger

Well, we had a problem with dad pulling his PB&J out of the little sandwich container (that came with his new lunch bag) and blopping jelly on his work pants, when I tried it the last time. He insists on a wrapped sandwich.

However, I’m really liking the wax paper idea.


78 posted on 08/28/2011 7:40:12 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: garandgal

LUCKY!!!!!!


79 posted on 08/28/2011 7:41:06 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: netmilsmom

Sounds like the problem is Dad, not the box.....;^).....


80 posted on 08/28/2011 7:43:51 PM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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To: Red Badger

>>Sounds like the problem is Dad, not the box.....;^).....<<

Yeah, well, we love him no matter what. ;-)


81 posted on 08/28/2011 7:45:56 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: garandgal

Remember when you would drop your thermos and hear that sickening sound of breaking glass....knowing you were going to be in trouble when you got home?

(I had the same lunchbox).

I have elementary aged kids - they still go to school with a lunchbox and thermos (too cheap to buy milk at school).


82 posted on 08/28/2011 7:47:12 PM PDT by keepitreal ( Good manners never go out of style)
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To: keepitreal
Remember when you would drop your thermos and hear that sickening sound of breaking glass

LOL! Yes, although I never broke Barbie, I dropped many a thermos. I would carefully unscrew the cap thinking "well, maybe it didn't really break"..as if.

83 posted on 08/28/2011 7:51:06 PM PDT by garandgal
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To: netmilsmom

I used to take my lunch to work when I lived farther away. I’d usually take leftovers from supper the night before, and nuke it in the company breakroom microwave. One day, I had a boiled egg in the container along with the other stuff. It exploded and made a real mess all over the inside of the oven. Lesson learned.......


84 posted on 08/28/2011 7:54:00 PM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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To: netmilsmom

The rolled egg with spinach reminds me of a similar dish, with feta cheese, shaved almonds, sweet onion added.


85 posted on 08/28/2011 7:54:52 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Madame Dufarge
and there's also another thing that peeves me...these "modern" mothers and fathers think nothing of spoiling little Johnny with any yuppie food like sushi, or more expensive things like crab, or lobster, or all kinds of tofu....

they waste money and energy having all these foods brought in from Maine, or Japan, etc...

and they never ever would insist that little Johnny eat ALL his food....nope....wasting is a prime attribute of these enviromental wackos....

86 posted on 08/28/2011 8:05:45 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Average Al

I thought it was bay leafs or bean with bacon....


87 posted on 08/28/2011 8:13:25 PM PDT by jurroppi1
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To: netmilsmom

LOL! I haven’t seen that one but “cara-ben” (Character bento) is a big thing among young moms and daughters.

I make my wife’s bento every morning (I work at home and she has to be at her desk at 0730) and while I sometimes stray into smiley faces on the rice, I don’t have the time or the patience to make the real cara-ben.

We don’t use the fancy bento box, though. I like the three compartment Zip-Loc plastic container. The big compartment is perfectly sized for rice, pasta or a sandwich, and the two smaller compartments are good for side dishes, even wet stuff like spinach.

Still, like I said, it’s an idea. So many cutsie bento boxes (some with uproariously funny broken English)... Might be a good E-bay thing.


88 posted on 08/28/2011 8:24:52 PM PDT by Ronin (Obamanation has replaced Bizarroworld as the most twisted place in the universe.)
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To: mathprof
Sheesh...pack the little darlings off with these. End of story. Nice glass bottle in the thermos is easy to clean. Nothing gets smooshed in the box. Wrap the sandwich in wax paper like Mom used to do. We're a nation of neurotic wusses.


89 posted on 08/28/2011 8:36:27 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: mathprof
...aluminum water bottles...

That would be a "canteen". I'll bet people would stop carrying canteens if you started calling them that.

90 posted on 08/28/2011 8:44:11 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: mathprof

Hmmmm ..?? Neoprene .. isn’t that made from OIL ..??

Oh my .. we can’t be using anything made from those horrible oil people .. can we ..??

If you need a sarcasm tag .. you’re not on the right website!!!


91 posted on 08/28/2011 8:44:16 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: keepitreal
Remember when you would drop your thermos and hear that sickening sound of breaking glass....knowing you were going to be in trouble when you got home?

Not me. We were too poor/cheap to buy multiple thermoses per year. So we used good old, insulating styrofoam cooled with ice ice made from good old Freon in the refrigerator (that saved lots of trees, as Freon is more efficient than the crud they use now).

92 posted on 08/28/2011 10:18:42 PM PDT by bIlluminati (Don't just hope for change, work for change in 2011-2012.)
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To: Average Al

School lunches are horrible nutrition wise. Not to mention, the kids don’t eat them. I believe that this article is for rich folk who send their kids to fancy schools and can afford the darn ecologia baby bottles.


93 posted on 08/28/2011 10:44:54 PM PDT by proudtobeanamerican1 (A house divided against itself cannot stand.” Abraham Lincoln)
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To: mathprof

WTF is this?!?

Schools mandating what parents must buy their children for lunch?

Does no one see this as wrong?


94 posted on 08/28/2011 10:59:18 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: mathprof

IMO? If the kids are ashamed of what I fix, then they can pack their own damn lunches in the morning. problem solved.


95 posted on 08/29/2011 12:20:36 AM PDT by wbill
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To: GeronL

Pretty much looks it.


96 posted on 08/29/2011 2:24:34 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Glenn
Who doesn't need a "Pat on the Back"?

Self-esteem, don'tcha know.

97 posted on 08/29/2011 2:26:28 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: UCANSEE2
You have two things to throw away afterward, and repurchase from ECOLOGIC.

Green Jobs!!!!

98 posted on 08/29/2011 2:28:10 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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99 posted on 08/29/2011 2:34:00 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Ronin

I’m not sure ANYONE has the patience for Cara-ben!

We saw one that was piggies doing the back stroke, made out of hard boiled eggs, cut ham slices for the appendages and nori for the eyes in a pool of rice. My younger one swears she is going to make it for my older piggie crazed daughter. So far, she hasn’t done it.

We have the nori punches for faces. That’s about as far as we are going!

I’ll have to look for the Ziplock containers. I wonder if they even have them in the states.


100 posted on 08/29/2011 4:44:01 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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