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Wisconsin sees teacher retirements double after controversy over union law
pioneer press ^ | 9-1-11 | scott bauer

Posted on 09/01/2011 5:20:04 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB

When students return today for the first day of school across Wisconsin, many familiar faces will be gone, as teachers chose retirement over coming back in the wake of a new law that forces them to pay more for benefits while taking away most of their collective bargaining rights.

Documents obtained by the Associated Press under the state's open records law show that about twice as many public school teachers decided to hang it up in the first half of this year as in each of the past two full years, part of a mass exit of public employees.

Their departures came before the new law took effect, changes pushed by Gov. Scott Walker and the Republican Legislature that led to weeks of protests at the Capitol.

The ensuing exodus of teachers and other state employees has led to fears that the jobs might not be filled and that classroom leadership by veteran teachers will be lost.

Ginny Fleck, a teacher of German from Green Bay with 30 years of experience, is among nearly 5,000 teachers who retired.

"It wouldn't make sense for me to teach one more year and basically lose $8,000," she said. Fleck, 69, decided to retire in February, even before the bill became law, in part because of the hit she would take to her $60,000 annual salary, and because of other changes the district was making.

(Excerpt) Read more at twincities.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: law; teachers; unions; walker; wisconsinshowdown

1 posted on 09/01/2011 5:20:09 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Oh boo hoo!


2 posted on 09/01/2011 5:21:27 AM PDT by Cheryllynn
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Sweet. Weed out the freeloaders and bring in fresh blood happy to work under a rational compensation package.


3 posted on 09/01/2011 5:22:30 AM PDT by Huck (I don't believe there is just one God--humanity seems like the work of a committee to me.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

And they say that Teachers SACRIFICE SO MUCH.....Bullhockey!


4 posted on 09/01/2011 5:23:01 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion is the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Finally a jobs package that works!!!


5 posted on 09/01/2011 5:24:35 AM PDT by NeilGus
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To: WOBBLY BOB
Lots of opportunities for young aggressive new teachers. Now, for what Gov. Walker's Budget Repair Bill has accomplished:

EXAMPLES OF GOOD STUFF HAPPENING IN WISCONSIN : Ashland School District - saved $378,000 on health insurance; Kimberly School District - saved $821,000 by dropping WEA Trust Insurance; Edgerton School District - dropping WEA Trust, expecting to save at least $500,000; Baraboo School District - dropping WEA Trust, expecting to save at least $660,000; Dodgeland School District - dropping WEA Trust, expecting to save $260,000 Elmbrook School District - changing health care provider, savings estimated at $878,000; Mequon-Thiensville School District - saving $49,000 on dental insurance coverage; Marshfield School District - saving $850,00 by dropping WEA Trust; City of Sheboygan - Mayor Bob Ryan says collective bargaining reforms will provide enough savings to make up for the reduction in state aid; Wauwatosa School District - tax levy decreasing, no programs will be cut, class sizes won't increase, thanks to the reforms in collective bargaining; Manitowoc - Laid-off city workers may get their jobs back due to the wage/benefit reforms contained in Walker 's budget. Changes to overtime rules saving the county $100,000; Pittsville - will see a 9% decrease in the school portion of their property tax levy. "This is the first year we have not needed to short-term borrow," stated Board President Strenn; Appleton School District - will save $3.1 million just in health insurance costs due to being able to bid out the coverage and being able to drop WEA Trust; Racine County - inmates can now be used to perform tasks such as landscaping, painting and shoveling sidewalks. Executive Ladwig states this is a win/win for the inmates and the county. It frees up county employees for other tasks, gives the inmates a sense of value, and helps the county maintain property that has been neglected." Kaukauna School District - hiring additional teachers, reducing class sizes, enacting a merit pay system, and due to Walker's Budget Bill, Kaukauna's operating budget has moved from a negative $400,000 to a positive $1,500,000. Much of this savings was due to being able to drop WEA Trust. Hartland School District - switched from WEA Trust and saved $690,000; Hudson School District - saved $832,000 on health insurance due to ability to bid the insurance.

6 posted on 09/01/2011 5:25:43 AM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Buh, but, the Teachers were taking their stand for the kids... Surely this wasn’t about money??? [s/o]


7 posted on 09/01/2011 5:25:50 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Cheryllynn
Here's the scam though.....teachers are "retiring" because they can. Then they draw their full pension and bennies and are being REHIRED TO THEIR OLD JOBS at their previous salary.

One thing is certain - public employees excel at sticking it to the taxpayers. If only they would devote half that energy to their actual jobs.

8 posted on 09/01/2011 5:28:57 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (Liberalism: the belief that with enough $ one can wish away any natural law he finds inconvenient)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how it is SUPPOSED TO WORK! Those idiots didn’t even NEED jobs, they were just there for the bennies!


9 posted on 09/01/2011 5:29:06 AM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Good. That means people looking for work will have a better shot of finding it now.


10 posted on 09/01/2011 5:29:11 AM PDT by Soul Seeker (“I will work every day to make Washington, D.C., as inconsequential in your lives as I can.”- Perr)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

That’s all that was needed to separate the good teachers from the filthy parasites?

Amazing...do it again.


11 posted on 09/01/2011 5:29:21 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Not a bad thing, really.

Most of the “early retirees” were agenda-driven, and were preaching their particular brand of bias in the classroom. Good news, though, for the thousands of newly-hired teachers who had previously been unable to land a job teaching after their college graduation.


12 posted on 09/01/2011 5:29:29 AM PDT by alloysteel (Are Democrats truly "better angels"? They are lousy stewards for America.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

They tried to make me pay part of my health care, I said “NO, NO, NO”


13 posted on 09/01/2011 5:31:01 AM PDT by Lockbox (`)
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To: Mygirlsmom
teachers are "retiring" because they can. Then they draw their full pension and bennies and are being REHIRED TO THEIR OLD JOBS at their previous salary.

(double dipping)

14 posted on 09/01/2011 5:31:19 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Lies, lies, lies. We all know that their number one priority is children and their education. That’s all they care about. Settled science.


15 posted on 09/01/2011 5:32:52 AM PDT by all the best
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To: Mygirlsmom

I’m really puzzled by this. How can they be rehired at their old jobs and salaries if they are retired and drawing a salary? I know that in Illinois teachers lose their pensions if they go over a strict limit of hours per year where they are allowed to teach. In other words, if I were a retired teacher, I could teach a very limited time, but certainly not as my old job and old salary. Are you speaking from experience in Wisconsin?


16 posted on 09/01/2011 5:33:57 AM PDT by Ray'sBeth
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Good. Now the districts will have more slots to fill with younger, not-as-union-controlled teachers. This uptick in retirements is just another coffin nail for teachers’ unions and a promising sign for the rest of the tax payers.


17 posted on 09/01/2011 5:34:14 AM PDT by DesertSapper (God, Family, Country . . . . . . . . . . and dead terrorists!!!)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Here is the OTHER reason so many of these loyal, “I’m in it for the Children” types are retiring. Mark Belling (WISN Milwaukee Radio Host)was saying yesterday that in many school districts, the teacher can retire at a high percentage pension, full health care for either 5 or 10 years, then get RE-HIRED back at the same salary, in the same position for double dipping on the salary & bennies.

Imagine that! School board leaders in cahoots with the teacher’s unions. The sweet outrageous deals these unions have put in place over the many years of this strangle hold are totally sickening. Now the teachers also are whining as they are being asked - gasp - to work a full 8 hour day, not 7.5 hours. AAAAAAAAACH. the nerve, huh? And if I hear one more time how all of the school supplies are purchased out of their own pocket I’ll scream. Skip one of your stupid pizza party “meetings” and buy school supplies.

Some kids going back to school are asked to bring the likes of garbage bags, TOILET PAPER, Kleenex, Dry Erase supplies, hand sanitizers and all types of things. STOP this madness. I hope that the “volunteer” donation of union dues dries up like a Texas raindrop. Keep those good teachers who clearly ARE there for the passion of teaching and dump these violent, nasty, fould mouth radical union protestors causing this ruckus. I’m not bitter.


18 posted on 09/01/2011 5:37:02 AM PDT by WaterWeWaitinFor (If we don't help make a change, then who will? It starts with us.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

It will be fine. Now some of the people that really care about teaching will have a chance at a job.


19 posted on 09/01/2011 5:37:15 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

I guess they weren’t in it for the loving of teaching and for the children after all.


20 posted on 09/01/2011 5:37:57 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Are you better off now than you were four trillion dollars ago?)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

I’ve heard that since WI gov’t quit witholding union dues, a very large percent of workers aren’t writing checks out of their own pockets for these dues. I’d really like to see some reporting on this.


21 posted on 09/01/2011 5:39:39 AM PDT by umgud
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To: WOBBLY BOB; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; ...
RE: “When students return today for the first day of school across Wisconsin, many familiar faces will be gone, as teachers chose retirement over coming back in the wake of a new law that forces them to pay more for benefits while taking away most of their collective bargaining rights.
Documents obtained by the Associated Press under the state's open records law show that about twice as many public school teachers decided to hang it up in the first half of this year as in each of the past two full years, part of a mass exit of public employees.

Leaving because of benefit cuts?? I saw another gem played on MSNBC on this subject, Matt Damon was interviewed by a reported at a Save Our Schools March who asked him if paying(or keeping) public school teachers for performance would result in better teaching. Damon had a fit insulted her and he replied :

A teacher wants to teach. Why else would you take a sh*tty salary and really long hours and do that job unless you really love to do it?

I had liberals tell me this too. He missed the WI public school teachers shutting down the schools over their own benefits, he must have been on a movie set when that was in the news.

Matt Damon Interview Video: Rips Reporter Over Teacher Salary

22 posted on 09/01/2011 5:41:04 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Over-taxed means 'paying too much in taxes', not zero taxes)
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To: Huck
That's right. This is good because it gets rid of the lazy clockwatchers who were there to collect a check. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
23 posted on 09/01/2011 6:06:02 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: WOBBLY BOB

This is a very badly researched article. It reads like a PR piece for the Unions. You would think that there is a dramatic increase in the retirement rate. It has increased but it is still less than 10% which means that there should be no problem coping with the influx of new teachers - IF the school systems are well run.
In addition, what changes are going to cost Ginny Fleck - a 69 year old teacher - $8000 presumably per year? When was Ms Fleck going to retire?
As for the potential double dipping, School Boards and Administrators who allow such behavior need to be replaced pronto. As for poor morale, there needs to be strict enforcement of sick time and attendance policies since this is where poor morale normally shows up.
Scott Bauer, the AP author of this piece, needs to take a course in critical thinking before he writes another story.


24 posted on 09/01/2011 6:11:58 AM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: Mygirlsmom

I don’t know about Wisconsin but in Texas one can’t do this.The only way to start teaching again one must come out of retirement.


25 posted on 09/01/2011 6:25:07 AM PDT by ontap
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To: umgud

Many teacher unions rushed contracts through with reduced packages just to get a year or two of dues still being sent to union direct. At the Oshkosh Board of Ed meeting this was openly discussed and the board still approved the contract just days before the Gov signed the new law. Hopefully we can correct this problem with upcoming elections.


26 posted on 09/01/2011 6:29:56 AM PDT by John in Wisconsin
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Good. Paying their pensions is expensive, but at least the amount of harm they can do is limited.


27 posted on 09/01/2011 6:30:41 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("True education is not an adjustment to the world, but a defense against the world.")
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To: From The Deer Stand

Your “return” key is your friend. You can also use the “br” command in HTML to initiate a new line.


28 posted on 09/01/2011 6:32:01 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("True education is not an adjustment to the world, but a defense against the world.")
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To: WOBBLY BOB

good. see ya.


29 posted on 09/01/2011 6:38:17 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Chop that dead wood. Obviously, these veteran “educators” were in it for the money.


30 posted on 09/01/2011 6:38:49 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Ray'sBeth
How can they be rehired at their old jobs and salaries if they are retired and drawing a salary?

The morons on the School Board approve of it.

31 posted on 09/01/2011 6:44:03 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Ray'sBeth

Yes. It is legal in WI for the teachers to be re-hired after they officially have retired. They used to go to a new district, but now they just go back to their same old classroom and collect retirement, as well as a current salary — double dip. The school district tries to excuse this saying that they actually save money because they only have to pay once for health insurance because it is just one individual. (Retired teachers in WI continue to receive paid healthcare).

The same goes for other government employees. The Director of Public Works in my town retired and didn’t even go home for a day. Just resumed his job the next day, double dipping. Same for the Police Chief of the town where my business is located.

The past Superintendent (lousy at his job) of my school district did the same. At least he moved to Minnesota to take a new job after he “retired” in WI. Since retired teachers collect nearly as much as they made during their working years, he essentially doubled his income. Another little scam they have is to work the system to get big raises the last couple of years before they retire because their retirement income is based on their highest salaries.


32 posted on 09/01/2011 7:01:51 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: bjc

it’s AP. critical thinking is not for presstitutes.


33 posted on 09/01/2011 7:33:36 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (My mind is like a steel trap: rusty and illegal in 37 states.)
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To: sickoflibs
“ A teacher wants to teach. Why else would you take a sh*tty salary and really long hours and do that job unless you really love to do it? ”

Yeah - there's a few like the above - VERY FEW.

Most teachers work 5 to 6 hour day, get three weeks off for Christmas, a week off for Spring Break, and a few months off for summer fun... They can't teach, resent being held accountable and have all the charm of union truck drivers.

34 posted on 09/01/2011 7:52:57 AM PDT by GOPJ (126 people were indicted for being terrorists in the last two years. Every one of them was Muslim.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Somewhere up there Dandy Don is breaking into song.

“Turn out the lights.....the party’s over....”


35 posted on 09/01/2011 7:53:31 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Ray'sBeth

I have a bro-in-law who retired in his mid fifties after thirty years of teaching in Wisconsin. He sat on his rear end for eight years after retirement mostly watching the Golf Channel all day. He finally got a part time job last year working in a convenience store just to stave off the boredom.


36 posted on 09/01/2011 7:57:27 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: GOPJ
RE :"Most teachers work 5 to 6 hour day, get three weeks off for Christmas, a week off for Spring Break, and a few months off for summer fun... They can't teach, resent being held accountable and have all the charm of union truck drivers. "

Reference PUBLIC school teachers not private

We have already seen PUBLIC school teachers show themselves just as Ann Coulter pointed out. They will choose shutting down the schools or being layed off (less teachers) than accepting cuts in retirement benefits, love teaching my a... Damon is a AH.

37 posted on 09/01/2011 8:10:07 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Over-taxed means 'paying too much in taxes', not zero taxes)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
C.J. Peters, a sixth-grade social studies teacher in Green Bay with more than 24 years of experience

Where can you retire at less then 50 years of age??

38 posted on 09/01/2011 8:43:35 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Any branch of the Armed Forces.

All these teachers came from the 60’s and 70’s generation of educators. I know. When I got back from my tour of duty in ‘71 I went to Cabrillo College in California. Seriously, my English lit class consisted of sitting outdoors, holding hands, and talking about what “we” could do to end the war. Those participating in these classes were given A’s; I got a B. Many of those, knowing nothing, went on to “teach” - they are now retiring...you can’t make this stuff up.


39 posted on 09/01/2011 10:42:10 AM PDT by tweakDU
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To: tweakDU

Yes! I should have known that!
My father was career Navy.


40 posted on 09/01/2011 1:14:07 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

The dead wood is culled

Industry did it 10 years ago. It has begun in Wisconsin


41 posted on 09/01/2011 1:21:44 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Rats carry plague)
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To: sickoflibs
Reference PUBLIC school teachers not private

Yes. And there still are some good public school teachers...

42 posted on 09/03/2011 10:54:24 AM PDT by GOPJ (126 people were indicted for being terrorists in the last two years. Every one of them was Muslim.)
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