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U.S. bears blame for Mexico drug violence
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 8/31/11 | Alejandro Escalona

Posted on 09/01/2011 9:03:00 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy

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1 posted on 09/01/2011 9:03:02 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy
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To: dcwusmc; bamahead; rabscuttle385; Ken H; Nate505; tacticalogic; gogogodzilla; Eagle Eye; ...

WOD ping.


2 posted on 09/01/2011 9:04:11 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy ("[Drug] crusaders cannot accept the fact that they are not God." -Thomas Sowell)
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy

Why is it the US? I think it is the people doing the drugs that could be partially to blame, not the US. I think the US makes it pretty clear it does not support drug use by throwing thousands in jail yearly that take drugs.


3 posted on 09/01/2011 9:06:35 AM PDT by lynn4303
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy

“U.S. bears blame for Mexico drug violence”

When the BATF and the DOJ are supplying guns to the cartels, it’s hard to dispute that argument.


4 posted on 09/01/2011 9:08:26 AM PDT by Spok
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy

actually for once, I partially agree with a “blame the USA” article. Doubt there’s many Tea-Party or regularly attending Evangelical Christians or Catholics that make up much of the drug addiction problem though.


5 posted on 09/01/2011 9:08:39 AM PDT by MNDude (so that's what they meant by Carter's second term)
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy
But we seem to ignore the connection between the high demand for illegal drugs and the violence associated with drug trafficking — not only in Mexico but in cities such as Los Angeles, New York and Chicago.

Alejandro Escalona

These large cities are flooded with illegal Aliens like yourself.

You and they are one and the same criminals that are destroying
both Mexico and the United States.


6 posted on 09/01/2011 9:09:52 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: lynn4303

The murders in Mexico are committed by the drug cartels. Approximately 90% of the drug cartel’s profits come from sales to US dealers, who then sell the drugs to the end users. The drug cartels only exist because drugs are illegal in the United States, and most of their profits come from marijuana, because most people in this country are not stupid enough to do things like heroin. If they were not criminalized, we would probably have more addicts, but we would not have the gang violence, and Mexico would not have its thousands of murders per year (hundreds of which have been of innocent victims with no connection to drugs). This is a bipartisan problem.


7 posted on 09/01/2011 9:11:13 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy ("[Drug] crusaders cannot accept the fact that they are not God." -Thomas Sowell)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

He’s not an illegal immigrant. Part of the reason why we don’t have a handle on our illegal alien problem is that we spend all the money fighting the War on Some Drugs. If we could divert that money to securing the borders, we would be able to crack down on illegal aliens more effectively.


8 posted on 09/01/2011 9:13:52 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy ("[Drug] crusaders cannot accept the fact that they are not God." -Thomas Sowell)
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To: lynn4303; 10thAmendmentGuy
Why is it the US?

Gun-walker, eric holder, zer0. Bet the author did not mention this connection.

9 posted on 09/01/2011 9:15:41 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy
Is THIS the US bear they're talking about?



Sorry, that's how I read the headline ... US bears ... responsible, etc.
10 posted on 09/01/2011 9:16:31 AM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (I am a Catholic, A US Citizen, A Patriot, A TEA Partier, An Oath Keeper, A Voter, An Auburn Fan!)
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To: All

Time for a little God and Guns ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql49eLRRJ_E&feature=related


11 posted on 09/01/2011 9:17:59 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: no-to-illegals
Well, I will.

BATFFags and the DEA (Drunk Every Afternoon) boys have been in cahoots with the Mexican drug dealers for years. The DEA regularly uses illegals as informants, just as one example.

12 posted on 09/01/2011 9:20:38 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy ("[Drug] crusaders cannot accept the fact that they are not God." -Thomas Sowell)
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy

Of course the US is to blame. Somehow, some way, no matter how tortured the “logic,” it always is, isn’t it?


13 posted on 09/01/2011 9:21:18 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy

Nobody, except myself, talks about the tons of money the drug cartels makes by smuggling illegal aliens into the United States. The illegals pay about $2,000 each or more to the cartels for this “service.” Anybody who encourages or pays for illegal immigration bears some responsibility for the violence in Mexico. If you use drugs smuggled here or people smuggled here you are responsible. Yes, that includes the Roman Catholic clergy and other clergies. There, I said it.


14 posted on 09/01/2011 9:21:50 AM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: no-to-illegals

The war on drugs and the war on guns are more related than people realize. The WOD gives politicians cover to pass unconstitutional legislation like the Brady Bill, the Assault Weapons Ban, the 86 gun control act (known as the Firearm Owners Protection Act, yeah right), etc. They say that we need laws like this to keep weapons out of the hands of drug dealers, ignoring the fact that most drug dealers use stolen/illegal guns in their crimes anyway. They also ignore the fact that the only reason drug dealers exist is because drugs are illegal, thus creating a black market. If we end up with gun bans in this country like in other countries, you can thank the drug warriors, in part, for it.


15 posted on 09/01/2011 9:24:00 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy ("[Drug] crusaders cannot accept the fact that they are not God." -Thomas Sowell)
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To: forgotten man
Nobody, except myself, talks about the tons of money the drug cartels makes by smuggling illegal aliens into the United States. The illegals pay about $2,000 each or more to the cartels for this “service.” Anybody who encourages or pays for illegal immigration bears some responsibility for the violence in Mexico. If you use drugs smuggled here or people smuggled here you are responsible. Yes, that includes the Roman Catholic clergy and other clergies. There, I said it.

The reasons illegals come here are twofold: 1) jobs and 2) better opportunities for their children (including birthright citizenship). If we would crack down on employers hiring illegals, I mean really crack down, that would slow the rate of illegal immigration tremendously. It would also encourage many to voluntarily deport themselves back to their country of origin. You need to look at the reasons why illegals come, and not just why they are here.

If we get better Supreme Court justices on the Court then maybe we can overrule their 1982 decision that the children of illegals are entitled to education in public schools.

We should also work to repeal birthright citizenship. If we do those three things, the illegal problem goes away. They won't stay in this country.

If we ended the war on drugs and cracked down on illegals, the cartels would go away, and businesses wouldn't be afraid to open in Mexico like many are today. These businesses would attract the illegals who could no longer find jobs here, and the problem is solved.

16 posted on 09/01/2011 9:28:30 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy ("[Drug] crusaders cannot accept the fact that they are not God." -Thomas Sowell)
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To: IronJack
Do you think the federal government has the constitutional authority to wage a War on Drugs? If so, from where in the Constitution does it derive such authority?
17 posted on 09/01/2011 9:29:45 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy ("[Drug] crusaders cannot accept the fact that they are not God." -Thomas Sowell)
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy
Enjoying your typing ... Is there anything else?

18 posted on 09/01/2011 9:29:53 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: no-to-illegals

Whatever. If you don’t have a worthwhile response, don’t bother. Do you think the federal government has the authority to wage a War on Drugs?


19 posted on 09/01/2011 9:30:51 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy ("[Drug] crusaders cannot accept the fact that they are not God." -Thomas Sowell)
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy
The U.S. represents a yearly $39 billion market for the drug cartels because an estimated 25 million Americans — 12 and older — consume some type of illegal drug, according to the Justice Department.
Hey, Alejandro, that's what Prohibition gets you, as the Justice Department knows.
Besides, Mexico is just as culpable in the current situation as Mexico signed onto the UN's drug treaties, which is the penultimate, unrecognized source of your feigned angst.
20 posted on 09/01/2011 9:32:26 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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