Skip to comments.Perry tells NH no to border fence
Posted on 09/03/2011 1:35:22 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
MANCHESTER, N.H. (AP) Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry says he opposes a fence along the U.S. border with Mexico.
Speaking to hundreds of New Hampshire voters at a private reception Saturday afternoon, the Texas governor says a fence would be ineffective and take too long to build.
The comments, which produced one angry shout, expose a rift with some conservative voters over Perry's immigration record. Tea party activists in Texas have been particularly upset by his steady opposition to the fence. He also signed a law giving illegal immigrants in-state tuition for Texas universities.
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How do they “Own property on the other side?”
I was under the impression that Mexico doesn’t allow foreign citizens to own property?
a crushing tea party victory in the senate will fix the fix and the fixers regardless of who becomes president. Voting isn’t a simple act of civil duty anymore, it’s a complex act of civil war. Keep that in mind as you contemplate the 2012 election.
You and Perry can see the obvious. :)
No, I don’t support a fence on the border,” he said. “The fact is, it’s 1,200 miles from Brownsville to El Paso. Two things: How long you think it would take to build that? And then if you build a 30-foot wall from El Paso to Brownsville, the 35-foot ladder business gets real good.”
I think he's been explaining it for years.
Then I say No to Rick Perry
A very important issue and he's wrong on it.
WE can speculate all day/week/year long about this. Perry’s views on the border concern me. Just as I find myself starting to like him, this keeps coming back up.
I get the “it would be ineffective and too expensive” - but without some viable and “better” alternative, then what do we have?
Maybe if his option is to much more heavily arm the border patrol, increase its numbers and training, and to supplement with our armed forces - then he has a legitimate view. But what are his alternatives?
Who said anything about “unarmed” National Guard troops — not Perry.
Just like Romneycare to Romney...both of them are clowns.
LOL! perfect response & TOTAL BULLSEYE!
Sara will ADDRESS THIS...all these guys are total scum.No wonder she wants to run a shadow candidacy.
Okay, I’m convinced. A fence won’t work.
So how about a moat filled with crocodiles instead?
Hmmm....raising left eyebrow...
He'll oppose anything which gets in the way of his Corporate plans for his border and the deals made with Mexico for it. He'll clamor more and more about 'securing' it from the Drug warfare that interefers with those plans but he'll never speak of a closed border....too much to loose for his state and the cheap labor from the south.
I just plan to run across the Northern border to Canada and tell them that they have to give me everything they give their citizens. That’ll work, right?
We like to ride our sleds up into Quebec in the winter!
Israel's experience begs to differ.
Excellent point! In fact, case closed.
My biggest stumbling block with Perry. Here in Texas, back during the ‘06 election, he started talking all tough on border issues. I thought he finally “got it,” and went ahead and again voted for him. But after winning the election, he dropped the matter entirely. Really, really burned me. He’s admittedly done some good things (tort reform, social issues, EPA battling, etc.). But damn, I just don’t have any “trust” in him. He talks big and tough when elections approach, but that’s it.
It constantly hits home when I keep reading these incidents of carnage on the highways courtesy the illegals, like that recent incident in Brenham, which snuffed out four lives. Just a few months ago, my friend and neighbor’s sister-in-law and toddler son were killed by a drunk illegal. A few blocks away, an honor student was mowed down by two illegals fleeing after robbing a convenience store. That was not far from where yet another drunk illegal killed a mother and daughter coming home from church.
These things get me so angry and furious, I can’t even manage to speak. It’s hard if not impossible to try to compartmentalize these things when I see Rick Perry out and about, and recognize his complicity in all this.
Got a link for that? Because I pray you are correct.
Mexico should build the fence. No fence, no more guns.
That's an incomplete understanding. They don't allow foreign ownership of property a certain distance from the coastlines. If I wanted to buy property in Hermosillo, Sonora, I could. But I'd never do that because I don't trust them to allow me to keep it in the future. I'm a bit concerned about Democrats here, come to think of it.
That fence also kept the people in too. Those who braved to taste freedom were shot on the spot.
If Perry had said that money spent on a fence would be better spent on quicker deportations, mandatory employment checks and severe punishments for businesses hiring illegals then I would listen too him. However he has been on the wrong side of the whole immigration issue, just as Romney has been on the socialized medicine issue. I don't see voting for either in the primary and I'm not thrilled with either of them being the nominee against Obama. Unfortunately it looks like that is the way things are going now.
I’m utterly, deadly serious about land mines. You need some warning signs. Word will spread quickly.
A real conservative would recognize what is happening, and a conservative politician should be screaming it from the mountain tops.
If there are 30 million illegals in America, that’s enough to populate more than 50 congressional districts. The illegals don’t even need to vote to create whole new districts. They only need to be counted.
Think about how much better off America would be without those illegitimate districts, the added tax burden, and stress on infrastructure.
A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent democrat majority.
Forget about fences, let's talk walls. If China can build a wall 5500 miles long, why can't we? How long is our land border with Mexico anyway? - series question, I really don't know.
He had his state file an Amicus brief supporting Arizona’s law, so you are quite incorrect.
He didn’t want the same law in Texas. You should get your attacks straight.
Fence or military with live rounds.
Pick one, Perry.
That's probably not the image America is looking for, but it does highlight the hypocrisy of the Mexican government when we look at controlling our border. They think nothing of gunning people down to protect their own interests.
Yah, keep slapping U.S. citizens in the face, that’s the way to win. /S
Mark Levin is great, but I thought his interview with Rick Perry was poor last week.
And if Perry or anyone else pretends the border will ever be controlled by troops or personnel of any government unit, keep in mind that as one president can put personnel on the border, a successor can remove them from the border.
Don't be so sure. She's endorsed McCain...and Perry.
What bogus excuses!
I can’t wait for this fraud to be beat back down in the polls.
That's probably not the best example. Qin Shi Huang bankrupted China and killed a lot of his own people in the course of building that wall. Once it was done, the barbarians simply rode around it. That effort probably would have been better spent on a bigger, better military.
Via John McCormack, Rick Perry reiterated his feelings against a total border fence between the U.S. and Mexico in an interview with conservative radio host Mark Levin on Thursday:
“There are places along the border that strategic fencing worked, particularly in the metropolitan areas,” Perry said. “The idea that we’re going to build a wall from El Paso to Brownsville doesn’t make sense ‘cause the fact of the matter is you know, number one, you’d never get it built, and it’d cost billions of dollars ... by the time you go from Tijuana to Brownsville.” Perry said that he does support putting “boots on the ground” and using “aviation assets” (i.e. aerial drones) to secure the border.
Yo, Richardo, you’ve been in government for a quarter of a century. Two of those years as Lt. Gov. and 11 as Gov. We had the go ahead and the funds for the fence so please tell us how many miles got built during your reign? Oh, sorry, would it be easier to answer in feet? But it’s not about the fence taking too long or wouldn’t be feasible, it’s about you not enforcing the law and protecting the good people of Texas. You gave us the DREAM Act in Texas allowing illegals in-state tuition while denying that to out-of-state US citizens. You’ve played footsie with La Raza and the liberals. You’ve ignored sanctuary cities right up until you decided to run for president - funny coincident there. Speaking of sanctuary cities, please tell us who all lives in East Austin. You know, that neighborhood that’s full of illegals that is a mere 2000 feet from your office.
Another thing that would help with the chronic excuse of not enough funding to deport is seizing assets to pay for deportation. If you arrest an illegal with a car, seize it and use the proceeds to pay for a ticket home. If you serve an arrest warrant on a criminal alien, detain and deport all the illegal family members you find along the way. Raise a gang member, get deported.
Perry is wrong on this issue and it's a very important one but the only candidate I could never vote for is Romney, who is wrong on every issue and flops to suit the occasion. The latest flop being global warming, unless he's flopped on something else today.
Thank you for saying that, lonestar.
I don’t think FReepers who aren’t familiar with the geography of much of the Texas/Mexico border understand the problem. Building a fence along much of it would be colossal stupidity.
I’m a Texan and not a Perry fan, but he’s right on this one. And I’ll vote for him if he’s the best we can do.
That depends on the design.
Done right, ladders will not get the invaders very far!
Anyway, he's not against border security, he says a fence over the entire border isn't a good solution.
Palin seems to think he's fine on border security -- from her speech supporting him for re-election:
Sarah Palin: "If you want lower taxes and limited governemnt if you want a secure border and a strong future if you want conservative principles and common-sense solutions, if you want more of texas and less of washington, send [Rick Perry] back to Austin."
NumbersUsa, which gave Perry a D- on immigration, and gave Palin a D on immigration, said Perry was GOOD on border security, and would be "excellent" if he wrote down his plan.
Fences aren't the only solution, or even the best solution, for the entire border.
So you mean that a fence that is effective at keeping people out could be useful in keeping people in?
Update for you, they are no longer deported!
The Berlin Wall worked. The Israeli fence works today.
Sure, a border fence would be expensive. And it would take courage to effectively man them.
But I don't see any other reasonable alternative.
If you just use sensors, you'll get more of the catch-and-release like we have today. That's a complete joke.
If you put the Guard on the border, then what? The Guard can't stand along the border shoulder to shoulder. You'd have to give orders to shoot to kill. That would never happen.
Now you're talking. Eliminate the reason for illegals to be here, punish any employer that uses them, and they'll deport themselves. When you try and deport people, it gets on the news, Americans get sad, and emotion gets in the way of logic.
Keep the discussion based on laws and economics. Punish the employers. De-incentivize illegals from coming in the first place. Incentivize them to go home on their own. It's not as quick as rounding them up and throwing them on southbound buses, but it has the advantage of being totally feasible and politically palatable.
Gov. Rick Perry’s website:
There can be no homeland security without border security, and there can be no higher priority than protecting our citizens.
While our focus begins with preventing the worst of the violence currently raging in northern Mexico from spilling over into the United States, the violence is only part of the destruction that can result from a porous border. The free flow of drugs, weapons and people resulting from inadequate security can undercut economic development, education and trade. As such, they can hurt Texas families in every way imaginable, from loss of jobs to the loss of family members to addiction, imprisonment or death.
Border security is a federal responsibility but a Texas problem, and Texas has invested hundreds of millions of state dollars in efforts to support and supplement security forces already in place. Still, this is a problem that will only be solved with more federal accountability and involvement.
Â» Starting in 2005 with Operation Linebacker, the state has sought to provide funding, manpower and equipment to local law enforcement agencies operating along the Texas-Mexico border.
Â» The state’s latest operation, Border Star, builds on the successes of previous operations with unprecedented local, state and federal law enforcement coordination. With the assistance of the 80th and 81st Legislatures, the State of Texas has been able to appropriate more than $110 million each session to fund and amplify these efforts.
Â» In response to a rising tide of gang violence in Texas communities, the Governor allocated $4 million in criminal justice grants to cities across the state to increase patrols of gang hotspots. In 2009, Gov. Perry worked to secure more than $10 million in state funding for enhanced anti-gang efforts during the 2010-11 biennium.
Â» In September 2009, Gov. Perry announced the formation of highly-skilled Ranger Recon Teams â which include Texas Rangers, Texas National Guard Counterdrug forces, Highway Patrol and DPS Aviation assets â in order to address threats building in the unincorporated areas along the Texas-Mexico border.
Â» Since early 2009, Gov. Perry has repeatedly called on Washington to authorize the deployment of 1,000 Title 32 National Guard soldiers to the Texas-Mexico border to support border security operations currently underway. (see letter to President Obama, letter to Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and request to Defense Secretary Gates)
Â» Gov. Perry has also recommended an expeditious deployment of unmanned aerial vehicles to provide real-time surveillance and intelligence to law enforcement on the ground.
Hahahahaha! That's funny!