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On the Trail in New Hampshire, Perry Focuses on Jobs
New York Times ^ | Sept. 3, 2011 | Ashley Parker

Posted on 09/03/2011 11:00:25 PM PDT by Clairity

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To: hocndoc

[Paul Krugman is convinced that Perry’s statement about Bernanke prevented Q3.]

Kudos to Perry if that’s true.

But what I want to hear from a prospective President Perry is that his justice department will have as a top priority the rendering of Justice upon those who deliberately and massively defrauded the American People.   Complete ACCOUNTABILITY from all involved to the full extent of the Law -- from those who lied about their incomes on their Liar Loan mortgage applications -- all the way through the gamesters who packaged the resulting mortgages into securitized a$$paper and above.

As a fellow Eagle Scout (class of '76) - I want to be encouraged that his administration will uphold the Laws of this Republic better than past and present administrations whose SEC evidently couldn’t find their own arse with both hands and a SQL statement telling them exactly where to find it.... and a whole bunch of Loan Apps for which the FICO score was fraudulently manufactured.

Watch “The Smartest Guys in the Room”  -- about Enron; and listen with your own ears to voice recordings of telephone conversations between Enron floor traders laughing about what they were doing. Merchants using dishonest scales and laughing whilst doing it.  It SHOULD be infuriating.

And what did the software programmers who Empower(tm)ed those Enron Quisling Traders learn? Evidently NOTHING other than it’s only bad if you get caught.

Care guess where a bunch of them ended up?

Ameriquest.

I know that for a fact because I sat next to some of them at Argent Mortgage (Ameriquest's "immune" wholesale division) and listened to them giggling "gosh, tee hee, I hope that doesn't happen here".   

In June 2007, during a discussion regarding the predatory nature of the behavior that necessitated legislative requirements for translating loan docs from English into the native language of the Borrower (mostly Spanish), the application support manager at Argent Mortgage told me to my face "we're not predators, those people are uneducated, illiterate, and stupid.  They DESERVE to be taken advantage of". 

That OUGHT to be infuriating.

This time, LESSONS NEED TO BE LEARNED; because a Republic is a system, of governance characterized by the Rule of Law - and when the Law fails, the Republic fails.

"TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men"

I don’t know about you - but for me the failure of our FREE Republic is not acceptable.

Our children are watching what we do -

“Hey dooods, those Enron/Ameriquest/Goldman guys got it pretty sweet... and look how tanned and buffed the token few who got busted are after their short vacation in Club FED.   I want me some.”

vs

“Holy crapoly - Really, they got whated in prison? I don’t want to get punished like that... I’m Scared Straight.  It's not worth it.”.

What’s it gonna be?  The statute of limitations on Fraud is what, "Usualy 7 years or less"? TICK TICK TICK.

 

Where's RICO and LEO, RINOs?


81 posted on 09/04/2011 11:55:50 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Liz
[Illegals flipped houses to family members at higher and higher prices, duping banks over and over, each family member making a bundle. Then the last illegal mtge holder absconded to Mexico--leaving taxpayers holding the bailout bag. ]

Yep. With a little help from their Progressively PROUD (got Log Cabin?) Sponsors...
 



The Proud Pirates of the American Dream.


82 posted on 09/04/2011 12:09:11 PM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: hocndoc
[If they get a new mortgage, they still have to qualify the same way you and your wife did.]
 
LOL  With the high LTV No Doc "Liar Loans" that some originators were generating?
 
In the pre 2008 days -- As long as somebody was willing to lie and sign, they were entitled to a house.
 
When we moved in 2007, the realtor we were referred to worked with a loan broker to pre-"qualify" us for 3700+ sq ft $600k+ homes... on the basis of my wife's (significantly less than public skewal) Lutheran School teacher salary alone.
 
I laughed at him and told him we'd be looking at houses starting at 85k and working our way up until we found something livable.  

83 posted on 09/04/2011 12:26:21 PM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: LomanBill

Those loans were never legal in Texas.

“Ultimately, the record is fairly unforgiving for Republicans—particularly in Congress—who have been in power in Washington over the last decade or so. They haven’t just spent our money wildly—they have blatantly ignored our core founding principles and expanded the reach of Washington into our lives while blowing a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to restore the balance of power from Washington back to states.”

Rick Perry is pretty critical of Statist RINO’s and the very notion of “compassionate conservativism.” Fed Up!,” from 139 to p 145 lays out problem after problem. He names specifics like Farm Subsidies, Small Business Administration, Social Security, No Child Left Behind, and many, many more pork projects and wrong moves by Republicans, throughout the book.

He talks about the sub-prime loans and bank bailouts, the abuse of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac on p. 71 - but the electronic version of the book won’t let me copy and paste any more.


84 posted on 09/04/2011 1:01:54 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.orgI've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.Patrol the border 2 control)
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To: Liz

” Banks gave out sub-prime loans like they were aqua fresca ....if the applicant could breathe and make an X, no questions asked....not about jobs, residency, citizenship, ability to pay. “

N I N J A loans......” no income, no job applicants “


85 posted on 09/04/2011 5:33:00 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: crz
I was referring to the crash in Florida in the 80's which came in the face of all the bullshit about Florida being recession proof, a new economic model, the new capital of the Americas and all that nonsense. While the rest of the country stagflated things were pretty good in my home state of Florida but it wasn't even conceivably sustainable. But lets consider the contemporary housing angle. The houses were being built for the new arrivals, the low-skill, low-wage transients who obtained the subprime mortgages on those houses that are now in default.

The housing market is just the most visible fossil of a sunbelt economy based on its own population growth and little else. Arizona gained nothing from an influx of people coming to work in retail, or call centers or some other service industry dreck. And when the music stops in Texas you will have the same problem there from absorbing tremendous social costs for a substantially non-contributing segment of society that will up and leave to chase the $7.25 dream in the next sunbelt hot spot.

Not their fault, and not Texas or Perry's fault - but sure as hell not a model to pitch to the rest of the country.

86 posted on 09/04/2011 5:45:45 PM PDT by WalterSobchak2012
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To: gogogodzilla
There was plenty of demand thanks to subprime mortgages given to anybody with a pulse. They wouldn't have built them if thousands of people a month weren't pouring into the state. Those people however couldn't afford a lot for a dilapidated trailer much less the houses the crooked bankers were installing them in.

And those people are now moving to Texas, congratulations.

87 posted on 09/04/2011 5:52:18 PM PDT by WalterSobchak2012
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To: LomanBill
QE1, QE2... soon to be QE3.

The bailouts manufactured in order to contain the damage that was done by forcing the banking industry to finance those who hadn't earned the credit required for a traditional mortgage.

That fraud.

Which comes from Perry signing Texas legislation that allowed those with "contract-for-deeds" to convert them into traditional mortgages? This not tracking the logic, here.

88 posted on 09/04/2011 11:18:58 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: LomanBill

Now that’s a good question that needs some good research into.


89 posted on 09/04/2011 11:21:49 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: WalterSobchak2012

Have you seen the homes that were being built on Florida’s coasts. They were billed as “luxury homes from $750,000 up” for the most part. Those with ‘no job, no income’ weren’t getting into these.

Plus, after Katrina, most flood insurance providers pulled out of Florida, with only the state-owned one remaining. And that one offers flood insurance at astronomical rates. Considering that banks will not offer a loan to anyone unless they get flood insurance in Florida... it’s choked off the demand for housing right there.


90 posted on 09/04/2011 11:34:50 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: hocndoc
>>Those loans were never legal in Texas.
 
Never, ehh?  
 
 
Well let's see what Mr. Google says:
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Denton, Texas
State: Texas
Professional Status: Certified General Appraiser
Posts: 8,258
 
          Subject: "Liar loans" - in Texas it's now a felony to lie
 
          Date:  01-04-2008, 08:18 AM
"We're all familiar with Alt-A loans, also known as the "liar loan". No doc, good credit, relies on a statement from the borrower as to assets, debts, etc.
A bill that was passed in the last Texas Legislature has quietly gone into effect. Le[n]ders have to look at the submission and see if it passes the "smell test". Do the assets and debts in the application match the credit report? Is the job and income data confirmable? If things don't match up, it is referred to a law enforcement task force without telling the borrower that he's now being looked at. Lying can result in a felony charge, with prison time and a $10K fine.
Yes, this should have been in place years ago [emphasis added]. But it is now, and maybe other states will follow suit."
 
Did Never start sometime after 2008?
 
 

91 posted on 09/05/2011 12:29:31 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: gogogodzilla

Now that’s a good question that needs some good research into.

"how'come the borrowers encumbered by those loans didn't have a traditional mortgage in the first place?"

 
Yes, it is.
 
 

92 posted on 09/05/2011 12:36:16 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: LomanBill

I was wrong in believing that lying was always illegal. Did the required mortgage insurance for loans over 80% help?


93 posted on 09/05/2011 1:12:35 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.orgI've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.Patrol the border 2 control)
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To: hocndoc
>>Did the required mortgage insurance for loans over 80% help?
 
Ask AIG.
 
I don't see how it helped, given the corruption was so systemically entrenched and wide spread.  It probably made the situation worse by encouraging even greater gaming -- because it further removed the perception of consequence from the game.

Moral hazard

In economic theory, moral hazard is a situation in which a party insulated from risk behaves differently from how it would behave if it were fully exposed to the risk....
 
 
What could possibly go wrong if we just squeeze the goose a little harder?  After all - it is insured.
 
 

94 posted on 09/05/2011 1:31:03 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: LomanBill
Uhuh. So once again all The Party has to sell is its "buhbuhbuhbut our guy is the lesser weevil" McBullshyte.

Been there, did that. And if it takes another 4 years wandering in the ODesert to expose the Rainbow RINO Eunuchs infesting/running The Party(tm) for what they and their FRUITs really are - then so be it.

You obviously have some deep-set issues. Remind me to not waste my time responding to any more of your drivel. So sure of eveything but who you WOULD endorse. Until such time as you actually give a name, your posts will collect dust.

95 posted on 09/05/2011 4:03:12 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: gogogodzilla
I'm going to let you in on a little secret you might not be privy to living in Maryland. Florida extends a just a little further north than Boca Raton and is home to 12,000,000 people who don't live in Metro Miami

Across the highway from me is a sea of new suburbs that never cracked $150,000 even at the height of the boom, many of which are now in foreclosure. The only people still in their homes are snowbirds, military families and well heeled refugees who fled Hugo Chavez.

96 posted on 09/05/2011 7:50:16 PM PDT by WalterSobchak2012
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To: WalterSobchak2012

And those $150,000 homes still require flood insurance before any bank will allow the loan. And no insurance company outside of the state-owned one is offering.

And the state-owned one, being able to insurance only Florida homes, has to charge very high yearly rates, which many can’t afford.

Which means no loan, even though the customer could afford it.


97 posted on 09/05/2011 10:55:52 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: WalterSobchak2012

My folks live in Florida (Jupiter) and I grew up there. I hear about the problems regularly.


98 posted on 09/05/2011 10:57:28 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: trebb

[Until such time as you actually give a name, your posts will collect dust.]

As opposed to collecting RINOcerous dung?

What did you think of the results of that half-marathon in Storm Lake, Iowa? I thought they were pretty impressive.


99 posted on 09/06/2011 6:37:58 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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