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Posted on 09/05/2011 6:51:38 PM PDT by Nachum
(TPM) Teamsters union president James Hoffa would say it all again if he could, he told TPM Monday.
Hoffa riled up Fox News and the right wing Monday with a Labor Day speech in Detroit in which he called Republican members of Congress sons of bitches and said union workers are ready to go to war with the tea party next year and take out Republicans at the ballot box.
Hoffa said hed say the exact same words all over again.
I would because I believe it, he said. Theyve declared war on us. We didnt declare war on them, they declared war on us. Were fighting back. The question is, who started the war?
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The context is freely available and it doesn’t make it look any better.
Fox reported the things that were unusual about the speech, which is what news reporting does, and while it is pretty normal for union organizers to get up and yell about jobs, it’s not normal for them to call their political opponents “son of a bitches” and threaten to “take them out.” And those were his literal words, and no amount of leftist massaging can make that go away or claim that Fox did anything but report them.
Excellent post. Thank you.
“The disloyal opposition”
I can’t believe FReepers are playing the MMFA “context card” on this one. Not one thing Hoffa said prior to his war cry to “take out” us “sons of bitches” mitigates those words in the slightest. Sometimes we really are our own worst enemies.
I agree. But the people who are saying this silly “context” thing (and there is NOTHING about the context that makes these words acceptable) are generally the ones I’d expect to be doing so.
"...at the ballot box." 'nuf said. I'm not worried.
It took me awhile to find the context. A good part of the online print reports don't contain the "vote" and "November" parts of Hoffa's remarks.
While I think his rhetoric was over the top, the context does change the tenor, at least slightly. Absent "vote" and "November" (which is the way the remarks are reported), the remarks are a pure call to violence.
-- those were his literal words, and no amount of leftist massaging can make that go away or claim that Fox did anything but report them. --
I believe that in its broadcast news, Fox reported his literal words outside of context. Perhaps I'm mistaken, and they have always mentioned the sentences that included "vote" and "November." This FoxNews print story does ... Hoffa On Tea Party: 'Take These Son-of-a-Bitches Out' | FoxNews.com - Sept 5, 2011
And they don't care if manufacturers move operations overseas to avoid unfair wage and benefit demands, they'll just sit at their union halls collecting welfare or Obamafare for 3 years or more.
Union members are pee-brained imbeciles, unwilling and unable to think or negotiate on their own behalf!
In this case, it's a sign of weakness, not strength. The union way of life is not too big to fail. Despite Obama's best efforts, the next President could easily undo everything he's done for the unions. Without the safety blankey of the state to cover the union ass, they'll be exposed to the same economic realities the rest of America faces.
So, this is less about trumpeting the union's strengths, and more a sign of increasing desperation. Intimidation won't work, but Hoffa's toolbag is increasingly limited.
That would be wonderful!
Who started the “war” mr. hoffa?? (small letters intentional)! How about the unions who have demanded more and more and given less and less! Business cannot do business in this country because of the high cost of labor; labor costs being out of control due to collective bargaining of benefits which far outstrip the ability for the business to afford. hoffa is a thug.
They will make one speech too many, push one person too many, flash one mob too often and it will come...If they want the end of America...all they will get is THEIR end...
Wouldnt he be guilty of his own hate speech laws?
Just a reminder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0
Good post. I agree. I and many I know have ramped up considerably in the weapons department. I am certain many patriots across the country have done the right thing since 08. We will NOT let our Republic be destroyed.
We don't have to warn the left that they will lose if they bring our Republic to the end point. If they think they can use the last "box" to defeat us they are delusional. God forbid we should reach that point, then I pray our side shows no mercy.
The dirty secret is that there is less than 2 weeks worth of stored food and probably a week of stored fuel in the whole country. The survivalist, militia and other patriot movements have since the 1970 been preparing. In fact the newest iteration is called the "Prepper movement" When the war starts that will run out and overnight we will look just like North Korea...well the blue cities will... The red states will not be in such a giving mood when the demands for the "last handout" begins...
Do I or any patriot want to see this endgame come to pass?? NO! But I will show anyone that will listen all the apocalyptic talk and class war rhetoric employed by the one and his team. THEY, want it and if they bring it...we shall give them the 4 horseman and divine retribution....
Look in Rules for Radicals for their instructions on this technique; remember the Cloward Piven Strategy; read The Art of War by Sun Tzu; do not look at the shiny thing and most importantly, do not take the bait.
Dear JIMBO the BIMBO.
Karma Baby. Just waitin’ for some instant Karma to rain down on your sorry ass.
Im a 32yr member of the Teamsters Union now retired. I want folks to know that there are a hell of a lot of us who despise the union.Why did you support for 32 years an organization you despised?
headstamp 2: LOL Im in Local 357.
Local 41 magnum here, and not amused.
Then it is time to escalate into proactive action.
Looks like ‘tiny pic’ went on the blink!
Hoffa; Theyve declared war on us. We didnt declare war on them, they declared war on us. Were fighting back. The question is, who started the war?
Obama; “If they bring a knife, we bring a gun”.
Guess he forgot about that.......
Keep in mind Mr. Hoffa Jr. has a long history of shady dealings. See:
There has been a small amount of reactionary backfire from the right as a result of what Hoffa said. Some people seem to have decided to match the rhetoric. Sometimes I think we need to be careful not to get ourselves snared in a trap they created. People need to be clear that WE don’t seek a civil war, but if someone tries to bring one to us, we certainly won’t capitulate.
Hope he’s prepared to chew what he’s bitten off.
“But the people who are saying this silly context thing (and there is NOTHING about the context that makes these words acceptable) are generally the ones Id expect to be doing so.”
Was that a dig at me? What kind of people are you referring to, exactly? Be careful not to cast aspersions on people who are merely asking for honesty in reporting (no matter where it comes from).
I brought up the fact that the video I watched from FOX news was an excellent editing job, and I honestly could not tell that it had been edited (AT ALL) the first time I watched it. I’m sick of the media making me look like a fool when I come out swinging hard, and then have it shoved in MY face that things were left out...
AGAIN, I hold no illusion as to what Hoffa, Jr. MEANT when he said, “Take those sons of bitches out”. How could ANYONE misinterpret that given the union’s history, AND the history in Hoffa’s family itself? I don’t see how alerting people to the fact that the FOX produced video I watched was edited, vs. the non-edited version put out by ABC, is working against us... If I’m wrong, then please explain this to me. If I’m this pissed about being (slightly) misled how will it be viewed by the left?
AGAIN, Hoffa meant what he said when he referred to this as a war, and being in WI means I’m already on the “front lines”. I’m doing what I can personally to fight against these folks. How is that working AGAINST fellow Conservatives?
If you ignore them they only become more brazen in their attacks. As with small yipping dogs you have to bark back at them occasionally to remind them you aren’t prey.
A Shovel Ready Job
It’s not even a seamless cut:
It’s an obvious edit showing the two relevant sections of a (most likely) drunken, rambling three-minute speech. Networks edit. Always have, always will. The cut didn’t alter the meaning of Junior’s words one iota.
Like I said... I did not notice the cut in the editing the FIRST time I watched the FOX clip. I honestly thought they only switched cameras because his head was chopped out of the other shot. I was paying more attention to the threat made against me and my family — not the editing of the video...
When I watched the ABC video I was truly confused. I was also not aware that this was “after the fact” coverage that I was watching the first time I saw the clip from FOX news. I honestly thought it was a replay of a live recording, IOW not an edited piece. It ticked me off because I didn’t hear ANYTHING about ballot boxes, jobs, etc... only to be confronted with a charge of “lying” about what was said by a liberal “friend” whom I was arguing with at the time. I know news channels edit all the time, I just was not aware that what I was passing along was an edit.
I disagree that the cut doesn’t alter the meaning of his words one bit, but it’s not by much, and not enough to “let it go” by any means. I’m not about to start defending the SOB, and I know that there are others within his organization who are quite comfortable ignoring the “voting” part. As everyone has pointed out the hypocrisy is unbelievable.
Anyway, next time I will have to be sure I watch SEVERAL clips to make sure I’m not missing something. I hate to be made to look like a fool, and my mistake took the legs right out from under me in my “debate”...
The miserable bastards come with the intent to 'take out' me or mine, it'll be the last act on this earth for as many of 'em as I can manage.
Uhhhhh...you just said we did, you idiot. What the hell is wrong with these people.
“You do it your way, but stay out of mine.”
Don’t misunderstand, any violence toward me or my family or open violence toward conservatives in general will be met with the same. And I do expect it to be my last act.
I think caution but firm conviction is needed. The lefties desperately want somebody to “lose their temper” so they can crack down.
I'll admit to not having read your post above in its entirety.
Got to the 'other cheek' part and had to stop.
That whole concept always struck me as something disturbingly similar to an unfunded mandate.
Especially from one who supposedly kicked ass and took names amongst the moneychanger set.
If that's blasphemous/heretical/etc then so be it.
If whatever God is has a problem with good people protecting their loved ones and their work, or with defensive martial acts against evil bastards raping our Nation, then please mark me down as firmly in the 'heathen' column.
Dietrich Boenhoffer started out as a pacifist but later was involved in plot to kill Hitler. He paid with his life just days before his prison camp was liberated.
I don’t think we have risen yet to the level of Hitler or Stalin purges.
But I am prepared.
I explained earlier that the office I posted was not mine, but is an undisclosed location somewhat south... my monitors are not nearly so large.
So it´s Civil War, is it?
¨May you live in interesting times.¨
Hey, Hoffa-Kid, come over to the Machus Red Fox and we’ll talk.
Ooooh.....mysterious, even. I like it!