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Rove: Perry Holds 'Toxic' Views on Social Security
National Journal ^ | September 7, 2011 | Olga Belogolova

Posted on 09/07/2011 8:00:28 AM PDT by AAABEST

Karl Rove slammed GOP presidential candidate Rick Perry on ABC’s Good Morning America on Wednesday, calling his views on Social Security “toxic.”

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Such views, Rove said, are “toxic in a general-election environment, and they are also toxic in a Republican primary.”

“And if you say Social Security is a failure and ought to be replaced by a state-level program, then people are going to say, ‘What do you mean by that?’ and make a judgment based on your answer to it,” he added.

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Turd Blossom is at it again, because he knows that if Perry wins, his visits to the Whitehouse will look something like this:


1 posted on 09/07/2011 8:00:34 AM PDT by AAABEST
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To: shield

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2 posted on 09/07/2011 8:01:20 AM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: AAABEST

Truth = Toxic. Interesting perspective...


3 posted on 09/07/2011 8:03:15 AM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: AAABEST

It should not be replaced by a state-level program it should be replaced by individual retirement accounts.

State-level socialism is still socialism


4 posted on 09/07/2011 8:05:40 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Common Sense 101

He’ll probably be on Hannity this afternoon to expand his comments in the matter.


5 posted on 09/07/2011 8:05:48 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: AAABEST
He is right.

Look at those who scream on FR when SS comes up. There are very few who will say “I will take care of mine and myself”.

Perry ended his chances when he spoke out about SS. No one really wants to address the problem, or the fact that they have to start being responsible for themselves. Same with Fedgov pensions.

I have come to realize that it will take a complete collapse to change things.

6 posted on 09/07/2011 8:05:58 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: AAABEST
- "And if you say Social Security is a failure and ought to be replaced by a state-level program, then people are going to say, ‘What do you mean by that?’ and make a judgment based on your answer to it,” he added.

Isn't that how it's supposed to work?
7 posted on 09/07/2011 8:05:58 AM PDT by Nonsense Unlimited
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To: AAABEST

I wonder if Rove is posting here in FR. If so, I wonder which one of the anti-Perry gnat-swarm usernames he’s posting under.


8 posted on 09/07/2011 8:06:45 AM PDT by samtheman (Palin. In your heart you know she's right.)
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To: AAABEST

Wouldn’t that be “held?” He’s walked back from the statements made in his book.

Statements that were truthful, but I guess there’s an election to be won...


9 posted on 09/07/2011 8:07:05 AM PDT by MNlurker
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To: Common Sense 101

“Truth = Toxic. Interesting perspective.”

Double-Think, Double-Speak.

Long Live Big Brother!!!


10 posted on 09/07/2011 8:07:09 AM PDT by ripley
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To: AAABEST

Rove is an ass.


11 posted on 09/07/2011 8:07:21 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: AAABEST

Why does anyone care what Karl Rove thinks? I wish the media would stop giving him a platform! He is the a large part of the reason that the Rs lost control of Congress in 2006 and got shellacked in 2008.

The Tea Party was formed in response to people like him who have no guiding principles but just like to manipulate things to their advantage and then blame everyone else when there is a problem!


12 posted on 09/07/2011 8:08:09 AM PDT by VikingMom (I may not know what the future holds but I know who holds the future!)
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To: AAABEST

Of course Rove will deny any animosity towards Perry. Saying he’s “paid to be an analyst.” He’s such a POFS.


13 posted on 09/07/2011 8:08:09 AM PDT by nhwingut (Palin '12... Accept No Other)
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To: AAABEST

State pension plans are going belly-up all over the country and if Perry thinks we need state-level SS instead of individual accounts, that is simply insane.


14 posted on 09/07/2011 8:10:36 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: AAABEST

I wouldn’t say its that toxic. My congressman called social security a ponzi scheme during the last election and he won.

Obviously something has to be done but it must be done carefully.


15 posted on 09/07/2011 8:10:51 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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16 posted on 09/07/2011 8:11:56 AM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: AAABEST

In the 1980’s public employees in Galveston, Matagorda and Brazoria counties, Texas were released from the social security system. Today those retirees have a funded account that they own and the distributions are at least 50% greater than they would have received under social security.


17 posted on 09/07/2011 8:13:19 AM PDT by calico_thompson
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To: VikingMom

and never forget..Rove stole the whiteboard from Tim Russert..


18 posted on 09/07/2011 8:13:19 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the EARTH...it's the ONLY planet with CHOCOLATE!!!)
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To: cripplecreek

Didn’t your Congresscritter enter the race? Is it Thaddeus McCotter?

What do you think of the guy? I did get a kick out of his libspeak lesson in Congress.


19 posted on 09/07/2011 8:13:59 AM PDT by dforest
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To: MNlurker
We can't be holding Perry to something he wrote a whole year ago, he was just a yute back then. lol.
20 posted on 09/07/2011 8:14:14 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: redgolum

Perry ended his chances when he spoke out about SS.


Please report how his poll numbers have trended with respect to the time he made his SS statement.


21 posted on 09/07/2011 8:14:57 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Are you better off now than you were four trillion dollars ago?)
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To: calico_thompson

Yep, the Texas Municipal Retirement System right? or something like that.

But a state-level SS? That would be crazy. It’d end up just like all those broke state pension funds.


22 posted on 09/07/2011 8:17:57 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: indylindy

McCotter isn’t my congressman. Mine is Tim Walberg in the 7th district.

The democrat response.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A2SyZp0f-o&feature=player_embedded


23 posted on 09/07/2011 8:18:09 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: GeronL

I don’t know all the details of Paul Ryan’s plan, but here is mine:

For every working person under the age of 35 or perhaps 40===give them back the amount of Soc Sec paid in my them & their various employers. The records of such deductions are available.

Then REQUIRE that such funds be put into a PRIVATE IRA or such for each person. They can continue to add to this IRA as they see fit. IF they don’t have enough to live on when they retire- they better have family who will take them in. NO BAILOUTS from the government.

For those above the cutoff, let them keep contributing to Soc Sec as now, but at the FULL rate. The current 2% lower deduction is only going to hurt Soc Sec harder & sooner & NObama knows this.

Those same people over the cutoff can open an IRA, etc, and they can deposit even more amounts to it, if they wish. All deposits to the IRA will be AFTER TAX dollars, but let them put in as much as they see fit.


24 posted on 09/07/2011 8:19:53 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles

I totally agree.


25 posted on 09/07/2011 8:21:50 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: AAABEST

Once again Rove crosses the line to damage the republican party, plus what he says is inaccurate as well as irresponsible.


26 posted on 09/07/2011 8:22:31 AM PDT by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: GeronL
It should not be replaced by a state-level program it should be replaced by individual retirement accounts. State-level socialism is still socialism

Plus people move from state to state. State-level creates too many complications.

27 posted on 09/07/2011 8:25:12 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: cripplecreek

Obviously something has to be done but it must be done carefully.


It’s like a doctor convincing a patient that in order to survive, he must remove a limb, or administer poisonous levels of radiation or chemicals with terrible side effects.

A smart leader helps the voter understand that the system they fear losing is in danger of wholesale destruction, and they must accept some reforms in order to be able to rely on it.

“Don’t kill the golden goose.”

“We must rescue Social Security from decades of Congressional neglect and irresponsibility. That will mean some sacrifice from those who need it the least (younger would-be retirees and wealthy retirees) in order for it to be there for those who need it the most.”


28 posted on 09/07/2011 8:25:21 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Are you better off now than you were four trillion dollars ago?)
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To: Beelzebubba
His poll numbers are very good.

But go to the SS threads on FR. Go to you local diner. Ask Seniors what they think about someone messing with SS. The view is that it is THEIR money, and anyone who touches it will die.

Perry gave Obambi plenty of rope to hang. Not smart this early.

29 posted on 09/07/2011 8:26:17 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: AAABEST

Rove is suddenly the MSM darling. I’m sorry I ever supported him during the Bush years.


30 posted on 09/07/2011 8:27:18 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: ridesthemiles

For every working person under the age of 35 or perhaps 40===give them back the amount of Soc Sec paid in my them & their various employers.


Who are you going to take that money from?

In reality, you’d need to increase present or future taxes to get it, so these people would end up paying for it anyway. Better to let them just opt out, and thank them for the taxes Congress spent.

The real solution is to float the retirement age annually to ensure break-even solvency. Work a few more years to avoid bankrupting the nation.


31 posted on 09/07/2011 8:28:00 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Are you better off now than you were four trillion dollars ago?)
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To: cripplecreek

Wow, it is a touchy issue. We have people here that parrot some of those responses. LOL


32 posted on 09/07/2011 8:30:22 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Beelzebubba

My idea for “reforming” social security starts with completely unrelated regulation and ends with totally private individual choice retirement funds.


33 posted on 09/07/2011 8:31:45 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: redgolum

And, then there are his positions on illegal aliens and support for the Texas Dream Act.


34 posted on 09/07/2011 8:32:02 AM PDT by Comparative Advantage
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To: AAABEST

Perry is right about social security. Its a ponzi scheme and a joke. An even bigger joke is Karl Rove. Karl, its over for you. No one gives a shit about you anymore. Why does Fox News pay you to spout your drivel day after day? Karl, just go away, retire on your millions, and STFU.


35 posted on 09/07/2011 8:33:44 AM PDT by Astronaut
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To: redgolum

“Ask Seniors what they think about someone messing with SS. The view is that it is THEIR money, and anyone who touches it will die.”

Yet any politician I’ve heard who’s bold enough to speak about SS reform talks about a gradual change that wouldn’t affect those getting or close to getting benefits under the current arrangement.


36 posted on 09/07/2011 8:34:49 AM PDT by Magic Fingers
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To: AAABEST

No Perry fan, but Rove is a moron.


37 posted on 09/07/2011 8:35:57 AM PDT by rintense (Polls are for strippers and cross country skiing. ~ Sarah Palin, 9.3.11)
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To: GeronL

I am not much on forced savings myself, and being not nearly old enough to get SS before it collapses I am completely for personal accounts. As a compromise I think you could set up a govt sponsored retirement system that would avoid being overly coercive like it is now, as well as avoiding the SS ponzi scheme setup.

Every person in America would get one, either thru their bank or with the SSA like it is now. The govt style SS with paycheck withholdings would be the default or you could opt out to do your own thing, or even do both. You could also have other IRA’s but one would be permanent.

Another thing is that any retirement deferred plan with any entity couldn’t be loaned out and must be 100% funded and segregated.


38 posted on 09/07/2011 8:36:26 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: AAABEST

Not sure how Perry’s remarks might play during the Republican primaries, but anyone who says they will not be harmful among some independent voters in a general election is simply kidding themselves.

Candidates can and should talk about SS (and Medicare and Medicaid) reform in a sensible way, but candidates who take it too far will pay a price at the voting booth in a general election.


39 posted on 09/07/2011 8:36:48 AM PDT by Will88
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To: AAABEST
Karl Rove

Wait, who's he again?
40 posted on 09/07/2011 8:37:34 AM PDT by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: MNlurker
He’s walked back from the statements made in his book.
Not true. He very recently said something like: Read the book. It's what I think.
41 posted on 09/07/2011 8:42:13 AM PDT by samtheman (Palin. In your heart you know she's right.)
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To: AAABEST

Is Rove in love with Romney?


42 posted on 09/07/2011 8:43:04 AM PDT by crosshairs (If Sharia Law becomes the law of the land, heads are gonna roll.)
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To: cripplecreek

I wonder what Perry thinks about the following.

Yeah it’s a ponzi scheme but only because Congress took the taxes of small business and working Americans (the kind that have earned income as opposed to investment) and redistributed it to hedge funders, mega rich, poor, illegals, railroad workers and those in government such as some in Congress, who never paid into SS.

It wasn’t my decision that politicians of both parties spread it around to others instead of lock boxing it to only those who paid, and I don’t accept it is an entitlement.

Perry is a globalist in sheep’s clothing. He overplays the conservative role to cover it up.


43 posted on 09/07/2011 8:43:51 AM PDT by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: apoliticalone
Perry is a globalist in sheep’s clothing. He overplays the conservative role to cover it up.

Oh I'm no Perry fan and didn't say I trust him, just that I agree that its a mess.
44 posted on 09/07/2011 8:46:51 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: BelegStrongbow
He’ll probably be on Hannity this afternoon to expand his comments in the matter.

Yesterday, I forced myself to tune in to Hannity on WABC here in NY. I had to force myself because we just lost a powerful Conservative voice (Steve Malzberg) on WOR who was on opposite Hannity. Sure enough, within minutes, the dolt Hannity announces that Rove will be on latter that day. I couldn't switch stations fast enough.

Sean Hannity is a useful idiot.

45 posted on 09/07/2011 8:47:06 AM PDT by JohnG45
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To: Will88
Not sure how Perry’s remarks might play during the Republican primaries, but anyone who says they will not be harmful among some independent voters in a general election is simply kidding themselves.

It may harm him among some indies, but it also may help him among other demographics, like the Tea Party and objective indies.

A lot more people are wise to the SS PONZI SCHEME. Anyone who is informed and honest knows that it's nothing less than a PONZI SCHEME.

At last, a politician running for office has the balls to call it exactly what it is, and then not back away from it when pressed.

This isn't the good ol days 20 years ago when any pol who mentioned touching SS was finished. Times have changed and people are beginning to realize that everyone can't have a nice retirement that costs exponentially what the retiree put into it.

46 posted on 09/07/2011 8:47:34 AM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: AAABEST

When “reality” becomes “toxic” ...most people and societies are on an express train to disaster.


47 posted on 09/07/2011 8:51:22 AM PDT by mo
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To: redgolum

I’ll take care of mine and myself, because there’s no way on God’s green Earth SS or anything like it will survive the 18 years until I’m eligible to collect.

To everyone who’s collecting right now, enjoy my money while it lasts.


48 posted on 09/07/2011 8:54:18 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: AAABEST; P-Marlowe
Toxic views on Social Security

He means Perry calling SS a "ponzi scheme" and Perry saying that the younger generation won't have any benefit from the money they're putting in if things continue as they are?

Of course Perry is right. It's similar to a ponzi scheme in that eventually you are making the recipient group too large for the paying group to cover. That is a classic ponzi scheme.

Is it "toxic" politics to talk about such things? Yes, history has proven that SS is the "third rail" of politics.

What is Perry's solution? I'm not sure, but a few indirect quotes seemed to indicate some kind of guaranteed government investing of individual money. I don't know how it would work, but I can see it being cheaper than this current system.

As always, I don't trust any paper wealth that goes up in value simply because more people want to buy that paper this week and goes down in value because people don't want that paper next week.

49 posted on 09/07/2011 8:54:19 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: redgolum
But go to the SS threads on FR. Go to you local diner. Ask Seniors what they think about someone messing with SS. The view is that it is THEIR money, and anyone who touches it will die.

Anecdotal evidence is meaningless, and without hard data, this is purely anecdotal.
50 posted on 09/07/2011 8:58:31 AM PDT by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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