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The legend of Al Gore and Rick Perry
politifact.com ^ | 9.07.2011 | W. Gardner Selby

Posted on 09/07/2011 12:43:45 PM PDT by wolfcreek

It’s a legend of Texas politics and a hatchet for foes of Gov. Rick Perry, front-running candidate for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination. The story goes that as a Democratic legislator, Perry chaired Democrat Al Gore’s presidential campaign in Texas.

The legend has been aired routinely for more than 13 years, originally by a Democratic opponent of Perry’s, and in news reports—all but unchallenged by Perry. Even we at PolitiFact Texas repeated the story as fact.

Of late, there’s a July 16, 2011, reference to Perry chairing the Gore effort in Time magazine, and an Aug. 29, 2011, item in The New Yorker magazine saying Perry "became a Republican after shouldering the thankless task of running Al Gore's 1988 Presidential campaign in Texas."

This week, U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, likewise bidding for president, premiered an advertisement calling Perry "Al Gore’s Texas cheerleader."

Cheerleader, maybe.

But interviews with political players in Texas and Tennessee and news articles from 1988 have convinced us that, although Perry endorsed Gore, he was not his Texas chairman.

(Excerpt) Read more at politifact.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: algore; perry; perry2012; perry4gore; rickperry; rinorick
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1 posted on 09/07/2011 12:43:51 PM PDT by wolfcreek
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To: wolfcreek

I found a similar article from a long-time columnist for the Houston Chronicle. This kind of diminishes one of the Perry-bashers key talking points...


2 posted on 09/07/2011 12:46:37 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: shield

Perry Ping!


3 posted on 09/07/2011 12:47:43 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: CA Conservative

>>This kind of diminishes one of the Perry-bashers key talking points...<<

They invent them as they go — the talking points are infinite. I am waiting for “borrow Chico’s soap — never return.”


4 posted on 09/07/2011 12:49:33 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (California: Making Texas more Conservative one voter at a time)
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To: CA Conservative

Why, yes it does.

Sometimes it’s just as well to let those rumors fly.


5 posted on 09/07/2011 12:49:45 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: wolfcreek
So opinion blogs are now news, did not know that.
6 posted on 09/07/2011 12:50:18 PM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: wolfcreek

I don’t think Algore was nearly as nutty as he is now when he was a US Senator from Tennessee. I don’t think he would have lasted very long in that normal state.


7 posted on 09/07/2011 12:50:20 PM PDT by Gen. Burkhalter
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To: CA Conservative
Here is the article I mentioned:

Rick Perry was Never Al Gores Texas 1988 Chariman

8 posted on 09/07/2011 12:52:24 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: wolfcreek

Funny, the face book as been scrub, here is prior :http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rick-Perry/106153772748276?sk=info


9 posted on 09/07/2011 12:57:20 PM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: wolfcreek

The legend has been aired routinely for more than 13 years, originally by a Democratic opponent of Perry’s, and in news reports—all but unchallenged by Perry. Even we at PolitiFact Texas repeated the story as fact.”

Geez, I’ve seen people give eye-witness testimony to it on this board 1,000 times. Odd.


10 posted on 09/07/2011 12:58:14 PM PDT by jessduntno (Obama shanks. America tanks.)
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To: wolfcreek

Even if its true, I could care less. The man has a 20 year record in government since then to run on. Pulling up things from 1988 is silly when you have 10+ years as governor of one of the largest states to analyze as a record.


11 posted on 09/07/2011 1:05:43 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: wolfcreek
Rick Perry: Al Gore has 'gone to hell' ... 12/17/2009
12 posted on 09/07/2011 1:06:31 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: org.whodat

You do know that’s one of probably dozens of *unofficial * FB page for Perry, right?


13 posted on 09/07/2011 1:06:45 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: jessduntno

The bottom line is that Perry endorsed Al Gore against Reagan.


14 posted on 09/07/2011 1:09:44 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: wolfcreek

Yes, you are busy trying to scrub them all and old news papers stories also.


15 posted on 09/07/2011 1:10:58 PM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: wolfcreek
I would be thrilled to be able to read categorically Perry was or was not. I am more bothered by the fact that not even Perry seems to ‘remember’ if he was or if he was NOT.

See I remember the 1980’s and even these so called ‘southern conservatives’ were opposed to Reagan's stand against the continued spread of soviet style communism... This post does NOT spring forth clean clear water... it only raises more questions.

16 posted on 09/07/2011 1:12:20 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: wolfcreek
Fascinating. He was even less involved than anyone suspected.

That won't stop the anti-Perry types from spreading the Al Gore "campaign chair" claim.

17 posted on 09/07/2011 1:12:24 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Will racist demagogue Andre Carson be censured by the House?)
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To: wolfcreek
Mr. Perry WAS an adult when he endorsed the Prophit Algore, was he not? So, his actions cannot be explained away as some kind of "younthful indiscretion", can they?

What, then, does he have to say for himself? Has he provided a valid explanation?

[By the way, I would consider: "I was really drunk/stoned at the time" to be a better explanation than: "I honestly thought that Al Gore would make a better president than George W. Bush". After all, a person can quit using intoxicants, but as another famous Texan, Ron White, says: oes: You can't fix stupid.]

18 posted on 09/07/2011 1:12:59 PM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; RoosterRedux; jonrick46; deepbluesea; RockinRight; TexMom7; potlatch; ...
Perry Ping....

IF you'd rather NOT be pinged FReepmail me.

IF you'd like to be added FReepmail me. Thanks.

19 posted on 09/07/2011 1:13:11 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: newzjunkey
Fascinating. He was even less involved than anyone suspected. That won't stop the anti-Perry types from spreading the Al Gore "campaign chair" claim.

Gee, the 'story' reads that NOT even Perry is sure what he did or did NOT do...

20 posted on 09/07/2011 1:13:46 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: wolfcreek

Some info from Wikipedia:

In 1984, Perry was elected to the Texas House of Representatives as a Democrat from district 64, which included his home county of Haskell. He served on the House Appropriations and Calendars committees during his three two-year terms in office. He befriended fellow freshman state representative Lena Guerrero of Austin, a staunch liberal Democrat who endorsed Perry’s reelection bid in 2006 on personal, rather than philosophical, grounds.

Perry was part of the “Pit Bulls”, a group of Appropriations members who sat on the lower dais in the committee room (or “pit”) who pushed for austere state budgets during the 1980s.[16] At one point, The Dallas Morning News named him one of the ten most effective members of the legislature.[17]

In 1987, Perry voted for a $5.7 billion tax increase proposed by Republican governor Bill Clements.[18] Perry supported Al Gore in the 1988 Democratic presidential primaries and chaired the Gore campaign in Texas.[19][20] In 1989, Perry announced that he was switching parties, becoming a Republican.[21]

In 1990, as a newly minted Republican, Perry challenged Jim Hightower, the incumbent Democratic Agriculture Commissioner. Hightower had worked on behalf of Jesse Jackson for the Democratic presidential nomination in 1988, while Perry had supported U.S. Senator Al Gore of Tennessee.

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As Agriculture Commissioner, Perry was responsible for promoting the sale of Texas farm produce to other states and foreign nations, and for supervising the calibration of weights and measures, such as gasoline pumps and grocery store scales.[24]

In 1993, Perry, while serving as Texas agriculture commissioner, expressed support for the Clinton health care reform proposal, describing it as “most commendable.” The health care plan was ultimately unsuccessful due to Republican congressional opposition.


21 posted on 09/07/2011 1:14:25 PM PDT by Veritas_et_libertas
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To: wolfcreek

Well, maybe he wasn’t Al Gore’s chair.

But...Ron Paul said that Rick Perry is not a real conservative!

Must be true!


22 posted on 09/07/2011 1:15:35 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: WayneS
Oops, sorry! It was the '88 presidential campaign.

Still, how could ANY thinking person believe Al Gore would EVER have been a better president than... well, than ANYONE... ...other than the individual who currently infests the White House, that is. I'm willing to give Mr. Gore that one.

23 posted on 09/07/2011 1:16:34 PM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Actually, in 1988 it would have been George H.W. Bush.


24 posted on 09/07/2011 1:18:01 PM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

“The bottom line is that Perry endorsed Al Gore against Reagan.”

Perhaps. But like good Bourbon, I prefer truth straight up. And now it’s being hedged. Like I tell my kids, once you think someone is lying to you, verify everything. If it turns out they are, you can’t believe them for the big things any more than the small ones.


25 posted on 09/07/2011 1:19:58 PM PDT by jessduntno (Obama shanks. America tanks.)
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To: Just mythoughts

Maybe he was drunk in 1988.


26 posted on 09/07/2011 1:19:58 PM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: org.whodat

*I* was busy scrubing. You are delusional.


27 posted on 09/07/2011 1:21:53 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: Veritas_et_libertas

Anyone can add info to Wikipedia. That’s why you shouldn’t use it as fact.


28 posted on 09/07/2011 1:24:21 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: WayneS
Maybe he was drunk in 1988.

OR who ever wrote it was drunk???? And anybody claiming this piece as evidence and correction of the record is in a questionable state of mind. Perry knows what his role was and all these muddy waters sure remind me of how liberals operate.

29 posted on 09/07/2011 1:25:47 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
The bottom line is that Perry endorsed Al Gore against Reagan.

LOL. You need to get your history straight. Reagan wasn't running for President in 1988.

Perry last voted for a Democrat for President in a general election in 1976, when Carter ran as a Southern Christian Democrat. (Perry later admitted he had been fooled by Carter - he figured as a farmer, Christian and Southern Democrat, Carter had to be conservative.) So Perry voted for Reagan in 1980, 1984 and for Bush41 in 1988. He supported Gore in the Democratic Primary in 1988 against Dukakis and Jesse Jackson.

30 posted on 09/07/2011 1:26:21 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: wolfcreek

Perry endorsed a Global Warming Alarmist (as of 1987), pro-abortion (Senate voting record, 1984 on), and gun grabbing Gore in 1988(1987 viewed as one of Brady Bill’s staunchest supporters by Sarah Brady). What matters it if he was chairman in Texas or not? Though I do remember being surprised in 1987/88 when I researched some of Gore’s supporters.


31 posted on 09/07/2011 1:27:42 PM PDT by Ingtar (Together we go broke (from a Pookie18 post))
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To: wolfcreek

So he wasn’t state chair, just an avid supporter.

I have the most horrible feeling that this was supposed to make me feel better.


32 posted on 09/07/2011 1:29:47 PM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: WayneS
Rick Perry on his support of Al Gore:

"Al Gore, from my perspective at that particular point in time, was the most conservative of the Democrats. I still thought that there was a place for conservative Democrats in the Democrat party. ... This was well before I had a deep understanding about his stands on global warming as well. He had them then, and that's my fault for not doing it."

33 posted on 09/07/2011 1:30:17 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: WayneS
"I honestly thought that Al Gore would make a better president than George W. Bush".

Huh? Are YOU stoned? This was in 1988, in the Democratic primary. Gore was running against Dukakis and Jesse Jackson at the time. The Republican nominee hadn't even been selected at that point.

34 posted on 09/07/2011 1:32:21 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Veritas_et_libertas
Some info from Wikipedia:

You do know that anyone can edit entries on Wikipedia, so you can't accept everything in them as accurate, right?

35 posted on 09/07/2011 1:33:57 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: CA Conservative; WayneS

I think we have some flabbergast here.


36 posted on 09/07/2011 1:36:55 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: RichInOC
So he wasn’t state chair, just an avid supporter.

There, fixed it for you. No charge.

37 posted on 09/07/2011 1:36:55 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: CA Conservative
And I have the most horrible feeling that that was supposed to make me feel better.
38 posted on 09/07/2011 1:39:34 PM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: RichInOC
And I have the most horrible feeling that that was supposed to make me feel better.

Well, when you consider that Reagan voted 4 times for FDR and considered himself a "liberal New Deal Democrat" (Reagan's own words) until at least age 37, then later became the greatest conservative leader in the 20th Century, I think it should give you some comfort. At least Perry was supporting the person he THOUGHT was the most conservative in the Democratic primary. And since that was 23 years ago and Perry has had a very conservative record since then, it really isn't an issue, though people keep trying to make it one.

39 posted on 09/07/2011 1:45:19 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: wolfcreek

I went to an ‘88 fund raiser for Al in Nashville. He made a brief, very, statement. Came around, shook my hand, stood around awkwardly and then moved on.

The next week on superstation WGN, I watched an Illinois primary political ad for Gore where he was just another class warfare sleaze bag Bolshecrat. I never voted for him again.

That said, Run Al Run!


40 posted on 09/07/2011 1:49:23 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (I'll follow an eloquent Allen West out of hell.)
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To: WayneS

“Actually, in 1988 it would have been George H.W. Bush.”

Keep trying. That’s still wrong. AlGore never ran against H.W. Bush.

Here’s the answer. Perry supported AlGore (a southern dem) in the democratic primary against Dukakis (Northeastern dem).


41 posted on 09/07/2011 1:51:27 PM PDT by KingKongCobra
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To: Veritas_et_libertas

You may want to evaluate keeping the first part of your screen name, if you are attempting to say that Perry was supportive of Clinton’s HC plan by posting that piece from Wiki.

In reality, Perry sent the form letter well before any meetings had taken place (and before any plan was created) to state that it was commendable to take on the task of reform, and to suggest the areas of reform that would be in the interests of Texas. It made no comment on any specific proposal.


42 posted on 09/07/2011 1:54:17 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: wolfcreek

Isdn’t it interesting that DumocRATs and Perry haters use the SAME LIE!


43 posted on 09/07/2011 1:54:17 PM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: CA Conservative

Mm...nope.


44 posted on 09/07/2011 1:55:16 PM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: CA Conservative

“You need to get your history straight. Reagan wasn’t running for President in 1988.”

Perry worked to destroy Reagan’s legacy by trying to elect Al Gore to succeed him. He was a Jimmy Carter democrat.

I remind you that Perry only switched parties in 1989. He supported Carter, Mondale and Dukakis.

Perry is unfit to be president.


45 posted on 09/07/2011 1:56:35 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: Veritas_et_libertas

You may want to evaluate keeping the first part of your screen name, if you are attempting to say that Perry was supportive of Clinton’s HC plan by posting that piece from Wiki.

In reality, Perry sent the form letter well before any meetings had taken place (and before any plan was created) to state that it was commendable to take on the task of reform, and to suggest the areas of reform that would be in the interests of Texas. It made no comment on any specific proposal.


46 posted on 09/07/2011 1:57:24 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: wolfcreek

paulnut whodat doesn’t give two hoots in hell about truth or facts, he’s just following the little nosepickers orders to smear Perry on every thread.


47 posted on 09/07/2011 1:58:49 PM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: Marty62
Isdn’t it interesting that DumocRATs and Perry haters use the SAME LIE!

I DO NOT hate Perry. Would you please show me specifically in this blog where anybody states for a certainty what Perry did or did NOT do for algore? Then I will know what is or is NOT a LIE.

48 posted on 09/07/2011 2:00:21 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: KingKongCobra

Gore wasn’t the nominee.


49 posted on 09/07/2011 2:00:40 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: wolfcreek

paulnut whodat doesn’t give two hoots in hell about truth or facts, he’s just following the little nosepickers orders to smear Perry on every thread.


50 posted on 09/07/2011 2:02:14 PM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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