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BREAKING: Third Fast & Furious gun at Terry murder scene covered up
Seattle Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 9 September, 2011 | Dave Workman

Posted on 09/10/2011 1:57:31 PM PDT by marktwain

Fox News is reporting that a third gun apparently found at the murder scene of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry was linked to Operation Fast and Furious, but its existence may have been deliberately concealed by the FBI to protect the identity of an informant “who works inside a major Mexican cartel.”

That informant, according to the report by Fox reporter William Lajuenesse, “provided the money to obtain the weapons used to kill Terry.” This tends to support statements made by Kenneth Melson, former acting director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, to congressional investigators in a behind-closed-doors interview on July 4, as reported by this column.

Fox News is reporting that a third gun apparently found at the murder scene of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry was linked to Operation Fast and Furious, but its existence may have been deliberately concealed by the FBI to protect the identity of an informant “who works inside a major Mexican cartel.”

That informant, according to the report by Fox reporter William Lajuenesse, “provided the money to obtain the weapons used to kill Terry.” This tends to support statements made by Kenneth Melson, former acting director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, to congressional investigators in a behind-closed-doors interview on July 4, as reported by this column.

Sources say emails support their contention that the FBI concealed evidence to protect a confidential informant. Sources close to the Terry case say the FBI informant works inside a major Mexican cartel and provided the money to obtain the weapons used to kill Terry.—Fox News

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


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More gunwalker news is getting out. The FBI obstructed justice to protect and informant in a murder case...?
1 posted on 09/10/2011 1:57:39 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: MestaMachine

Gunwalker ping.


2 posted on 09/10/2011 1:58:42 PM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: marktwain
Drip, drip, drip.....
This is going to blow up in Ø’s face at some point — just in time for election season. (Hello, Drudge? Drudge? [crickets])
3 posted on 09/10/2011 2:04:49 PM PDT by 50cal Smokepole (Effective gun control involves effective recoil management)
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To: marktwain

The msm is doing there best to keep this story from getting out. However is spite of their best efforts to keep a lid on the story it keeps oozing out.


4 posted on 09/10/2011 2:11:00 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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5 posted on 09/10/2011 2:14:20 PM PDT by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: marktwain

It’s time to drag Holder’s ass back up to Capitol Hill and read him his rights before he is questioned.


6 posted on 09/10/2011 2:17:07 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Only two things come out of the DemocRAT Party. Fears and Smears.)
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To: marktwain

I’m guessing the FBI will be as honest and objective in their pursuit of the truth in the Solyndra case also.


7 posted on 09/10/2011 2:18:06 PM PDT by moovova
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To: marktwain

What did Obama know, and when did he know it? (paraphrase from Watergate)


8 posted on 09/10/2011 2:24:15 PM PDT by jeffc (Prayer. It's freedom of speech.)
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To: marktwain

Holder had to know about this third gun!


9 posted on 09/10/2011 2:29:04 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide
Holder had to know about this third gun!

I wonder if Holder will claim that he did not mention it because it was a National Security matter?

10 posted on 09/10/2011 2:41:47 PM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: marktwain

“to obtain the weapons used to kill Terry”

Previously, it was stated that the two guns found were not the murder weapons. So,,,, is this third gun the murder weapon?


11 posted on 09/10/2011 2:42:09 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: marktwain

Ruh roh! I have been told all of my adult life (since Watergate), it’s not the original crime, but the coverup that gets ya. Unless of course they change the rules when Democrats are in charge.


12 posted on 09/10/2011 2:48:52 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: marktwain

“I wonder if Holder will claim that he did not mention it because it was a National Security matter?”

That would be okay, provided he briefed the Senate intelligence oversight committee. As a matter of fact, providing Eric did that, he’d probably be covered on the whole Fast and Furious debacle. But my guess is any briefing had so many misleading fictional elements that he’s exposed. The best he can hope for is for Obama to pardon him. As a matter of fact, if Holder were to take the blame for the entire thing now, Obama could pardon him and they’d both walk free. Holder would get the traditional multi-million dollar (bribe) book deal.


13 posted on 09/10/2011 2:59:13 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: fhayek

just call it OFFgate


14 posted on 09/10/2011 2:59:43 PM PDT by ldish (Looking forward to Independence Day)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Agreed!! Bring several top positions of DOJ, INCLUDING Holder up at the very same time. Line them up and ask them lots of questions. Issa should get their ducks in a row, ask questions, take names and get er done.

This is an afront to this great country and it needs to be uncovered to see the light of day. The wheels are coming off the buggy with this, the “green jobs”, solar scam in CA.


15 posted on 09/10/2011 3:03:50 PM PDT by WaterWeWaitinFor (If we don't help make a change, then who will? It starts with us.)
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To: marktwain

So this guy provided the money to buy the weapons?


16 posted on 09/10/2011 3:09:14 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (I never did understand why the Republicans agree to let the Democrats moderate their debates.)
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To: marktwain

“I wonder if Holder will claim that he did not mention it because it was a National Security matter?”

That would be okay, provided he briefed the Senate intelligence oversight committee. As a matter of fact, providing Eric did that, he’d probably be covered on the whole Fast and Furious debacle. But my guess is any briefing had so many misleading fictional elements that he’s exposed. The best he can hope for is for Obama to pardon him. As a matter of fact, if Holder were to take the blame for the entire thing now, Obama could pardon him and they’d both walk free. Holder would get the traditional multi-million dollar (bribe) book deal.


17 posted on 09/10/2011 3:17:20 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor

I agree. IMHO, this was an attack on the Bill of Rights, specifically the Second Amendment, by the federal government that resulted in the deaths of Americans and Mexicans. Heads should be rolling over this. We can’t allow it to be swept under the rug by the feds.


18 posted on 09/10/2011 3:18:48 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Only two things come out of the DemocRAT Party. Fears and Smears.)
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To: Gen.Blather
If he briefed both intelligent committees, then I would think we would not have this breaking report of a third gun. I'm guessing it was not mentioned, perhaps because he was never asked. Is Holder required to volunteer info that not directly asked about? You would think there should be no info held back, but I am sure it happens all the time? Now if told them the committees there were only 2 guns and yet he knew at the time there were 3 guns (and maybe more for all we know), then that becomes a problem for him.
19 posted on 09/10/2011 3:56:58 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide

Just curious, does anyone know when this F&F operation all started? Under obamma’s regime? or Bush’s presidency?


20 posted on 09/10/2011 3:59:10 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide; All

“Gunrunner” started under President Bush and was supposed to keep guns from going into Mexico. It failed to find any major gunrunning organization, likely because there was none, just a bunch of small timers.

“Gunwalker” started under President Obama in 2009, and was likely designed to create the “Iron River of Guns” that “Gunrunner” had failed to find. Over 2000 guns were involved in “Gunwalker” so far. Here is a link to most of the articles on Gunwalker posted on FR:

http://www.nachumlist.com/gunrunner.htm


21 posted on 09/10/2011 4:13:49 PM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: marktwain
Speaking of mysterious disappearances of Fast and Furious guns, does anybody know anything about the origin of the AK-47 used in the recent Carson City murders of the National Guardsmen?

It appears this crime has completely disappeared from public view along with where the murder weapon came from and how the killer got it.

22 posted on 09/10/2011 4:16:08 PM PDT by Gritty (Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these SOBs (Tea Party) out!-Jimmy Hoffa)
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To: marktwain

What is the differences between Gunrunner and Gunwalker?


23 posted on 09/10/2011 4:18:43 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide; All
What is the differences between Gunrunner and Gunwalker?

Gunrunner: A program started under President Bush, to intensively investigate gunshops in the border states. The idea was to find organized gunrunning to Mexico and to stop it.

Gunwalker: After Gunrunner failed to find any largescale gunrunning to Mexico, Gunwalker was created to allow "straw buyers" to take guns to Mexican cartels. The purpose given is to find the routes of the big gunrunners, in Mexico so that they could be "taken down". Just how this was to be done has never been explained, especially as the ATF has no jurisdiction in Mexico, and they had explicit instructions *not* to tell the Mexican authorities what was going on. The ATF agents on the ground repeatedly warned their superiors that bad things would happen with the guns that they "let walk". Previously it had been a hard and fast rule in ATF never to let guns that were under investigation "walk" that is, to get out of their control. The response from the higher ups in ATF was that "if you are going to make an omellete, you have to break some eggs".

It seems much more likely that after ATF failed to find an "Iron River" of guns flowing south (the average age of guns traced to Mexico was 14 years), the administration decided to create such an iron river. It appears that a significant portion of the 2,000 plus guns "walked" were purchased with money provided to informants by the FBI.

Now we see similar tactics were used in Indiana, Texas, and Florida, though we do not have as much documentation or clear numbers for those locations. The operation in Phoenix was called "Fast and Furious". We do not know if there are names for the other operations. Overall, the scandal is called "Gunwalker".

24 posted on 09/10/2011 4:48:34 PM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: marktwain
Thank you that was a very good explanation. Bush's plan did nothing illegal as I can see, but obamma's plan is illegal to the hilt, that is obvious!

I would think any plan of this magnitude had to be okayed at the very top of government, with the president himself having to sign off on this, as this was very very dangerous and stupid, since we were operating undercover in a foreign country? Wow!

25 posted on 09/10/2011 5:21:49 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide
very very dangerous and stupid

That does make it sound like a signature President Obama plan.

26 posted on 09/10/2011 5:30:59 PM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: marktwain
Holder absolutely had to sign off on this plan with all the myriad of legal issues involved since he is the AG, and he would never have signed off on this without his buddy obamma having approved of it also. obamma cannot pin the blame on a rogue Federal agency, try as he may. (actually more than one Federal agency was involved I read somewhere, iirc?)
27 posted on 09/10/2011 5:46:24 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide; All

Readin the various stories posted about this scandal, we have the following federal agencies involved so far:

ATF

FBI

Homeland Security

State Department

DEA

DOJ

National Security Council


28 posted on 09/10/2011 6:05:48 PM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: Gritty
I'm sure it's being investigated but I've been asking the same question out loud to my friends.
And the evaporation of the MSM on this MURDER makes me more curious.
29 posted on 09/10/2011 6:23:06 PM PDT by MaxMax
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To: marktwain

ATF guns to Mexico.

ATF guns to Honduras.

ATF grenade parts to Mexico.

ATF guns to Chicago.

Nothing to see here, now move along!


30 posted on 09/10/2011 6:26:00 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare! NEW PHOTOS & PAINTINGS)
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To: Gritty
I just got off the phone to my friend in Reno and the rumor going around
is that the weapon very well could be one of the FaF guns. also, the MSM there
has slowed reporting and seeking out information.

Another thing being rumored is that the Carson shooter had an expired Visa.
That means he was an illegal, which would be another reason for the MSM
to further ignore this story.


We need more facts.

31 posted on 09/10/2011 7:08:47 PM PDT by MaxMax
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To: MaxMax
Thanks for your input.

It is about what I suspect. There is more here than meets the eye. Otherwise, the information wouldn't have been shut down so quickly.

Something is being hidden by the authorities, probably the feds. They descended in force and took control very quickly from the local police. Since then there has been a virtual blackout on information.

The feds are all hands on deck and it is probably to hide something on Fast and Furious and major ties to the cartels and perhaps violent La Raza activities. I would bet big money on that.

32 posted on 09/10/2011 9:42:05 PM PDT by Gritty (Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these SOBs (Tea Party) out!-Jimmy Hoffa)
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To: rawhide

If holder did not know then he is so stupid that he should be removed from office and if he did know he should be arrested and removed from office and sent to prison for the rest of his life.


33 posted on 09/10/2011 11:45:56 PM PDT by chiefqc
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To: marktwain

Sickening. BTTT.


34 posted on 09/11/2011 12:12:25 AM PDT by PA Engineer (SP/XX12: Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom. Freddd is Gay)
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To: marktwain
a third gun apparently found at the murder scene of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry was linked to Operation Fast and Furious, but its existence may have been deliberately concealed by the FBI to protect the identity of an informant “who works inside a major Mexican cartel.”

Well, we know who he is:


35 posted on 09/12/2011 4:05:27 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: marktwain; Joe Brower; Travis McGee

36 posted on 09/12/2011 4:07:58 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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37 posted on 09/13/2011 4:44:38 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Parley Baer

Until the talking points shift from “Botched “ to something else like foolish or il-conceived, the criminal enterprise that is Obama / Holder will not suffer one bit.


38 posted on 09/13/2011 4:54:38 AM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: marktwain
-- The FBI obstructed justice to protect and informant in a murder case...? --

That is nothing new.

Bulger had inducted several top FBI agents in the Boston office into his gang, and used the FBI as his enforcement arm to eliminate his rivals within his own Winter Hill Gang and in the Italian La Cosa Nostra (Mafia). According to his indictment, Bulger's gang committed at least 19 murders in a spree that lasted from 1965-1994. He spent 16 years evading federal officials, some of whom may never have wanted him to have been captured alive. Two FBI agents were eventually convicted of crimes related to helping Bulger commit murder, H. Paul Rico (who died in prison in 2004) and John Connolly (who will soon be transferred from a federal prison where he's serving time for a RICO conviction to Florida to serve 40 years for a murder charge).

39 posted on 09/13/2011 4:58:31 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: rawhide
I would think any plan of this magnitude had to be okayed at the very top of government,

to coordinate several alphabet agencies under DOJ [fbo,atf etc] with portions of homeland security, possibly NSA and *legally* a MUST to involve State Dept, it HAD to be run from a very few chiefs' desks...

fish rots from the head and all that...

wouldnt suprise me if the directive came straight from the antique desk with all the heel marks on it witht the title 'operation iron river'...

goto david codreas' gun rights examiner page and check the collection of links he and mike v have put together...

lots of necks should be gettin stretched, but prolly wont...which will signal further corruption ...

40 posted on 09/13/2011 6:37:08 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: marktwain

Reference the names for the various operations, the Honduras one (via Florida, I think) was “Castaway.”

I can’t keep up with them. And the Chicago op hadn’t even pinged my radar til now, ‘cause I assumed by the titles, I guess, that it involved nothing more than the USUAL Chicago curruption.

Oh how sick I am each time I read it was merely a “botched attempt to track cartel gun rings.” Bullspit!


41 posted on 09/13/2011 10:31:42 AM PDT by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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To: Cboldt
-- The FBI obstructed justice to protect and informant in a murder case...? --

That is nothing new.

Bulger had inducted several top FBI agents in the Boston office into his gang, and used the FBI as his enforcement arm to eliminate his rivals within his own Winter Hill Gang and in the Italian La Cosa Nostra (Mafia). According to his indictment, Bulger's gang committed at least 19 murders in a spree that lasted from 1965-1994. He spent 16 years evading federal officials, some of whom may never have wanted him to have been captured alive. Two FBI agents were eventually convicted of crimes related to helping Bulger commit murder, H. Paul Rico (who died in prison in 2004) and John Connolly (who will soon be transferred from a federal prison where he's serving time for a RICO conviction to Florida to serve 40 years for a murder charge).

That is nothing new, either. The FBI's genisis was falsehood and political corruption, and that's not changed.


42 posted on 09/13/2011 11:05:24 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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