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(LIVE THREAD!) Republican Presidential Debate #5 - Sep. 12, 2011 8pm/5pm: Tampa, FL (CNN)
2012 Election Central ^ | Sept. 12, 2011 | CNN/Tea Party Express

Posted on 09/12/2011 7:14:30 AM PDT by newzjunkey

Broadcast on: CNN

Broadcast time: 8pm EDT/5pm PDT

The Candidates:

Michele Bachmann

Bachmann is serving her 3rd full term in the U.S. House. Founder of the House Tea Party Caucus, she earned a Master of Laws degree, worked as a tax attorney, and was a foster mother for 23 teenagers. She is a member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

Herman Cain

Cain is the former chief executive of Godfather's Pizza and former chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. He lost the Georgia Republican primary for a U.S. Senate seat in 2004. He was recently the host of Atlanta-based radio show.

Newt Gingrich

Gingrich served as Speaker of the United States House of Representatives from 1995 to 1999. He represented Georgia's 6th congressional district as a Republican member from 1979 to 1999. He has a PhD in modern European history.

Jon Huntsman

Huntsman was Utah Governor, former ambassador to China under Barack Obama.

Ron Paul

Paul is serving his 11th full term in the U.S. House. He’s an ob-gyn and was Libertarian nominee for president in 1988. He unsuccessfully sought the Republican nomination for president in 2008

Rick Perry

Perry is the three term governor of Texas, from 2000 to current. He is a retired Air Force captain for former farmer. He has a degree in animal science.

Mitt Romney

Romney was governor of Massachusetts (2003 to 2007) and former CEO of Bain Capital, a private equity investment firm. He unsuccessfully sought the Republican 2008 nomination for president. He has an MBA (Harvard) and JD (Harvard Law).

Rick Santorum

Santorum served two terms in the U.S. House and two terms in the U.S. Senate. He became the Senate's third-ranking Republican in 2001. He was defeated for reelection in 2006.


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To: Irenic

oops

9)Romney- looks like a lying used car salesman- fake.


2,081 posted on 09/13/2011 1:08:57 AM PDT by Irenic
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To: editor-surveyor
Strict adherence to a proper diet will prevent all cancers

That certainly isn't a generally accepted opinion. You can get skin cancer by being in the sun too long, no matter what you eat. Smoking will give you throat and lung cancer, although I guess you could call that "eating" of sorts. I don't know why I'm giving examples though, as the science is definitely not with this opinion of yours.

2,082 posted on 09/13/2011 1:11:14 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: jwalsh07
There was no "opt out", there was a form to submit requesting status as a conscientious objector with the government being the judge of that.

That is false.

2,083 posted on 09/13/2011 1:12:45 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
No matter how many times you say a mandate is a tax, it still won’t be true. If the government mandates that you wear your seat belt, is that a tax? If the government mandates that you stop at stop signs, is that a tax? If the government mandates that you send your child to public school, is that a tax? If the government mandates that you wear clothes in public, is that a tax? If the government mandates that you take a free vaccine in order to be in the military, is that a tax? How many examples do you need of mandates that are not taxes, before you stop running around saying “a mandate is a tax” simply so you don’t have to explain what your problem is with mandates?

There is a penalty, a tax, IF I am mandated to wear a seat belt and I do NOT and I get pulled over.

Are you trying to say there is NO cost to me to send my child to school?

I won't fight a government mandate to wear clothes in public, but I have yet to find free clothes. And who is going to fine me for going naked.

Anything the government requires US to do under a mandate is a tax. Because someone is required to enforce said mandate and that means people are hired to enforce a mandate.

I think you need to re-figure what a mandate is and does.

2,084 posted on 09/13/2011 1:19:55 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: CurlyBill

First of all, this is not about winning slots in school, it is about in-state tuition rates. There isn’t a specific number of slots for “in-state tuition”, so the issue there is simply whether children of illegal immigrants should be allowed to go to college at all.


2,085 posted on 09/13/2011 1:21:44 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I looked over your comments and I agree ....I remember getting a polio shot in the 50’s I bet it was mandated. Im not a Dr. but to eradicate many diseases it is necessary to get the entire population to get vaccinated.
I would bet that what Perry did was for the benefit of the populace.
However I think health professionals figure there will always be a certain number of cranks around who wont get a shot.... and they live with it
So I bet those in Texas who are up in arms about this can simply ignore what they should do and go about being stupid,


2,086 posted on 09/13/2011 1:30:35 AM PDT by woofie
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To: honeybolie

good remarks


2,087 posted on 09/13/2011 1:34:20 AM PDT by woofie
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To: caww

I can’t believe the sorry reasoning...if that’s what it can even be called.

I have made the point several times...if Perry raised huge sums of money, total, from many, many, many sources, then no single, ordinary sized contribution is meaningful in terms of being “bought”.

That is true reasoning.

It is pathetic reasoning to claim that anyone who makes the point that 5 thou is so small in the scheme of things it doesn’t buy the donor anything, is thereby stating that they could be bought for a greater sum.

Pitiful.

We who truly reason are presenting to those who aren’t in reasoning mode due to their political committments, the facts. The facts are, an ordinary sized contribution within a huge sum of multiple donations is - on its face - not capable of buying anything.

In return, we get...oh, but you’re admitting a larger contribution WOULD buy you.

No, we’re reasoning from obvious facts that people such as yourself have happily ignored in pursuit of political interests.


2,088 posted on 09/13/2011 1:35:05 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: jwalsh07

Yes, I favor lifevests for people going into the water, especially if they are going boating. I woulnd’t “mandate” it, but I certainly favor it. On the other hand, the BSA mandates it, and I don’t think they are dictatorial, they just really care about keeping the kids safe, and don’t see the point of taking needless risks.

A breathing apparatus would be essentially useless in a bathtub; you’d as likely mess up and kill yourself with it as drown in the tub.

If you could take a shot that would prevent you from drowning for the rest of your life, you can bet I’d take it, and give it to my kids.

There’s no real comparison between a vaccine and an “apparatus”

And anyway, my entire point which you quoted was that it was silly to pretend that the vaccine didn’t save lives. That has nothing to do with what you “favor”. Someone claimed the vaccine was worthless. It isn’t.


2,089 posted on 09/13/2011 1:37:29 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: secondamendmentkid
Perrywinkle should have stopped when he said he made a mistake

You know, I've enjoyed the discussion in this thread tonight. People have been adamant about their positions, and have spoken harshly about candidates, but whether I agreed or not, I appreciated what was being said.

Then I hit your comment, and it just knocked me off-kilter. I think it's because of the childish knick-name use. I think that's what spins people up on other threads as well, that when people don't like a candidate, instead of voicing thier dissapproval, they feel it necessary to make up some cute, infantile name for the candidate.

That is one thing I haven't seen -- anybody making up a name for Sarah Palin.

2,090 posted on 09/13/2011 1:51:54 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
...Sarahcuda...Caribou Barbie...

Of course I look forward to referring to POTUS 45 by those names :)

2,091 posted on 09/13/2011 2:16:54 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (I have been called intolerant. It's true. I refuse to tolerate the intolerable.)
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To: newzjunkey; All

‘Hands over hearts for all eight. (unlike Obama).’

Was baby-sitting - saw none of this.
You say the candidates had their hands over their hearts when ‘The National Anthem’ was sung? (Badly . . .)

This stuff is making me crazy.
And I think it’s confusing a lot of people.
I can tell they are not sure - - -

We NEVER had our hands over hearts when singing the Anthem - all these years.
And I’ve lived from NY, to MD, to NM, to CA, and we NEVER did this.

This phony stuff started when pictures of Obama doing the ‘crotch’ shot were published.

If Obama’s hand was not over his heart when reciting the Pledge of Allegiance, then that is wrong. It is not wrong, however, to then drop the hand when singing, or listening to the Anthem.
I think people wanted to show what an idiot Obama was for not having his hand over his heart, but it’s not necessary - we have other proof of that!

I am not aware the ‘rule’ was changed - was there a memo I missed?!

If some care to do this, fine.
But I hope that doesn’t get to mean that I am wrong when I don’t.


2,092 posted on 09/13/2011 2:39:14 AM PDT by USARightSide
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To: callisto
Rubio debating Biden would almost be to unfair for ol’ hair plugs!
2,093 posted on 09/13/2011 2:44:31 AM PDT by MacMattico
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To: CharlesWayneCT
-- If you think girls deserve STDs for having sex, then you'd be upset with Alaska for providing free and reduced-price vaccines. --

Some of that money came from the feds.
Federal funding to boost Alaska's vaccine program - June 4, 2007

Earlier this spring, the [Alaska Department of Health and Social Services] had said it could provide free Gardasil only to Alaska girls who met certain eligibility requirements. Since then, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) provided additional funds for Alaska to obtain more vaccine. This boost in federal aid will enable more Alaska girls to receive Gardasil.

2,094 posted on 09/13/2011 3:21:53 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: potlatch

So sorry for your hearing loss! Yes, I was joking about the awful Dan Savage. Obviously, you remember the story.


2,095 posted on 09/13/2011 3:36:09 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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To: kalee

Yes, yes, Texans are the greatest Americans. All tall, silent types except, seemingly, when they come on FR, where they never stop bragging about their greatness.


2,096 posted on 09/13/2011 3:42:52 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

You definitely made some good points! Thanks.


2,097 posted on 09/13/2011 3:45:06 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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To: RitaOK

What do you want? Feats of strength? ;)


2,098 posted on 09/13/2011 3:50:14 AM PDT by PghBaldy (War Powers Res: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/warpower.asp)
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To: Friendofgeorge

“Gov Palin has already called out Perry for crony capitalism long before tonight!”

When did she do that.... she endorsed Gov Perry.


2,099 posted on 09/13/2011 3:53:04 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Beware of PaulBots tearing down good conservatives - they are deceptive weasles.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
First of all, this is not about winning slots in school, it is about in-state tuition rates. There isn’t a specific number of slots for “in-state tuition”, so the issue there is simply whether children of illegal immigrants should be allowed to go to college at all.

You're kidding right? First off, many of these schools needs a certain number of out-of-state students so they can meet payroll... so you're wrong right off the bat. If you believe otherwise your crazy. Second, this is an INCENTIVE that promotes the unarmed invasion of our country, which is exactly what is going on.

2,100 posted on 09/13/2011 3:58:17 AM PDT by CurlyBill (1-20-13 can't get here fast enough!)
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