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Taliban attacks Afghan capital, U.S. Embassy
CBS News ^ | September 13, 2011

Posted on 09/13/2011 3:01:25 AM PDT by xjcsa

A complicated attack involving multiple gunmen and apparent suicide bombers was underway in the heart of the Afghan capital Tuesday morning, and it appeared to be focused near the U.S. Embassy.

CBS News staff in Kabul reported hearing heavy gunfire and at least seven explosions, some of them large. The situation was described as "chaotic", and it remained unclear how many people were wounded.

A Taliban spokesman claimed there were several militants inside at least one building near the embassy district in Kabul, and that the targets of the attack were Afghan government ministries and the intelligence services.

The Taliban's primary website ran a statement Tuesday morning saying "Operation Martyrdom" was underway in the Afghan capital.

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KEYWORDS: afghanistan; kabul; taliban
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1 posted on 09/13/2011 3:01:33 AM PDT by xjcsa
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To: xjcsa

This can’t be true! Bambi announced only yesterday that the Taliban were just another Muslim political movement and we were letting them set up permanent “political” headquarters in some Arab country (Qatar, I think).

Could Bambi be wrong???


2 posted on 09/13/2011 3:08:59 AM PDT by livius
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To: xjcsa

Obama’s new best buddies, they’re gonna be allowed an embassy and Obama’s going to open relations with them.


3 posted on 09/13/2011 3:09:57 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama: the Unholy Won.)
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To: livius

What, the smartest being on the planet, wrong!?


4 posted on 09/13/2011 3:11:37 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama: the Unholy Won.)
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To: xjcsa
Meanwhile:

U.S. backs move to let Taliban open headquarters in Qatar in the hope of ending war in Afghanistan

5 posted on 09/13/2011 3:15:22 AM PDT by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks xjcsa. Xuan Loc redux.


6 posted on 09/13/2011 3:24:20 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: xjcsa

Afghanistan’s record as an Empire killer is stellar.


7 posted on 09/13/2011 3:28:27 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: xjcsa
We've lost Afghanistan. (Not our fault. The place is a rock pile.) Let's kill as many of the mongrels as possible on our way out of the place. While we're at it, let's get out of Pakistan as well.
8 posted on 09/13/2011 3:32:11 AM PDT by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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To: xjcsa

I don’t think it’s possible to turn backwards savages into civilized people with a functioning and healthy country. “Nation building” is a waste.

Nuke it from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.


9 posted on 09/13/2011 3:33:57 AM PDT by Rammer
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To: Rammer

“I don’t think it’s possible to turn backwards savages into civilized people with a functioning and healthy country. “Nation building” is a waste.”

It is possible but it requires a couple generations to do it. They also have to want to do it.


10 posted on 09/13/2011 3:42:46 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

As long as Islam is around, they’ll never do it. We had our big chance in Iraq to prevent them from enshrining Islam in their constitution, and we didn’t do it...and now it is rapidly turning back into a nest of squabbling Muslims killing each other and hating the Great Satan, and Mookie is offering to give us safe passage on the way out if we promise to go quietly.

Same in Afghanistan. If we had really enforced a secular government and given those forces a chance to get stronger, things would be different. But we bowed before Islam and let the islamists gain power again and this is the result.


11 posted on 09/13/2011 3:46:54 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius

It’s sad that they are killing each other. Not so sad that we should continue to sacrifice our young people to save them.

The key question is whether or leaving would make America less safe. I don’t see Afghanistan or Iraq having an impact on that anymore.

Considering Egypt and the rest of North Africa is going under the thumb of the radicals.


12 posted on 09/13/2011 3:50:25 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: xjcsa

Tet offensive. Theatre. They lose big, but they make our front pages.


13 posted on 09/13/2011 3:53:18 AM PDT by cmj328
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To: Rammer

I don’t know, the Japanese were pretty savage at one time.


14 posted on 09/13/2011 3:57:15 AM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: livius

Obama has proved repeatedly that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.


15 posted on 09/13/2011 3:59:03 AM PDT by popdonnelly (The Obama Administration is unprincipled, corrupt, and corrupting.)
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To: popdonnelly

The ultimate brain trust comprised of the most intelligent beings on the planet (nobama, lunch bucket joe and hitlery) continue to amaze me with their successful WTF foreign policy. What geniuses!!!! Why...who are we uninformed ingrates to doubt their methods and intentions as they obviously have great success?


16 posted on 09/13/2011 4:11:11 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: xjcsa

Bet Barry is in his “war room” with his Muzzie Brotherhood pals figuring out how the US can hand over Afghanistan to the Taliban. The Taliban is obviously just another revolutionary movement.../sarc (More like a bowel movement!)


17 posted on 09/13/2011 4:17:54 AM PDT by jakerobins
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To: Rammer; driftdiver
I don’t think it’s possible to turn backwards savages into civilized people with a functioning and healthy country.

Somewhere in the book, "The 5,000 Year Leap," I recall reading how our founders truly debated if the people of the colonies were actually "moral enough," to even have freedom. I found that thought or idea extremely interesting in the context of what we now call Nation Building.

The entire Middle East has been turned upside down by this idea of bringing democracy to them. For all the claimed horrors of all these newly deposed dictators; the people themselves are finding the culture is not yet 'moral enough' to have freedom and democracy.

Which in the scheme of their precious islamic religion they are only finding death, destruction, mass murder and horror. Until they come to terms with the reality that islam as being imposed in the Middle East is immoral, they shall not be able to have democracy nor freedom.

Instead they will have this gross distortion of the progressive left's idea of an Arab Spring. Democracy and freedom is not rising in the Middle East, nor can America with its military might and good intentions create it for a people not moral enough to have it.

18 posted on 09/13/2011 4:27:32 AM PDT by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: driftdiver

“Considering Egypt and the rest of North Africa is going under the thumb of the radicals.”

Their radicals and our radicals working together for one cause.


19 posted on 09/13/2011 4:28:41 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: jakerobins

Russia announced yesterday that there will be no sanctions against Syria. Yesterday 4 American troops landed in Libya after we were promised that no American boots will be in Libya. Yesterday, Turkey retrofitted its F16 aircraft to identify Israeli planes as foes. Yesterday, Israeli evacuated it’s embassy in Egypt. Yesterday, Russia acknowledged that if the Palis ask for a nation, they will approve. Yesterday, china recognized the Libyan rebels as the legitimate government.

Yesterday, Obama went around the country, telling people that theAmerican taxpayer will be fleeced even more so that the unions can contribute to Obamas 2012 presidential aspirations.

If that all happened yesterday, imagine what can happen today.


20 posted on 09/13/2011 4:29:26 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Sarahcuda in 2012. Nothing but Net!!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Not quite yet. We first need pro-Taliban radicals in the Democratic party to cut off all aid to the current Afghan government.


21 posted on 09/13/2011 4:31:00 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: cake_crumb

Appears yes.

http://exposingtheleft.blogspot.com/2011/09/pic-of-day.html


22 posted on 09/13/2011 4:31:44 AM PDT by traderrob6
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23 posted on 09/13/2011 4:35:59 AM PDT by SJackson (Free Palestine, return it to the inhabitants who had the land taken by the Romans, Alan West)
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To: xjcsa

Say it ain’t so.... /s =.=


24 posted on 09/13/2011 5:00:00 AM PDT by cranked
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To: xjcsa

Time for some multitasking in what is sure to be a target rich environment.


25 posted on 09/13/2011 5:00:25 AM PDT by Track9 (Make War!!)
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To: EBH

Well said.

I think it also take a bit of intelligence as well, which these mutts apparently don’t seem to have a whole lot of.


26 posted on 09/13/2011 5:01:26 AM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: xjcsa

Was this the ‘moderate Taliban’ our president has discussed?


27 posted on 09/13/2011 5:05:53 AM PDT by ilgipper (Everything you get from the government was taken from someone else)
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To: ilgipper

This taking place just two days after Obama announces on 9/11 he’s given the Taliban recognized formal seating at his negotion table in Qutar...


28 posted on 09/13/2011 5:09:29 AM PDT by caww
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To: livius

Even if we were able to suppress Islam in both Afghanistan and Iraq for a couple of generations, at the end, Islam will become resurgent. Just take a look at once Secular Turkey flexing their military muscle over Israel right now.


29 posted on 09/13/2011 5:14:15 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Lil Flower
I don’t know, the Japanese were pretty savage at one time.

...and we had to kill literally millions of them - military and civilian alike, and resort to nuclear weapons to make them understand that they were beaten and had no choice but to change their ways or become extinct.

Islam, radical or otherwise, has no such threat hanging over their heads so they will keep fighting and expanding their influence until we The West re-develop the stomach to truly do what needs to be done. Whether or not we can set aside our bread and circuses long enough to prevent our own extinction as a culture is an open question.

30 posted on 09/13/2011 5:31:59 AM PDT by AngryJawa (Obama's Success is America's Failure)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Robert Goldman (Spengler) made a good point about Islam: it will collapse under its own weight as it meets modernity, something that it can no longer avoid doing because of modern communications and technology. Islam is anti-rational (which was the point the Pope tried to make at Regensburg, until the press sallied forth to defend Islam and confuse things). Islam does not believe that the visible world is predictable, since its all-powerful god is irrational, arbitrary and not even bound by his own laws, and could at any time decide to make the rivers run backwards simply because he felt like it.

Obviously, something like this is not going to be able to survive, and something that spawns the irrational, repressive societies that are Muslim countries is also not going to hold up against the demands of modern people, who whether they know it or not have adopted the Judeo-Christian belief in natural law and the dignity of man.

BUT the thing that is keeping it from collapsing on its own is precisely the West, theoretically its enemy. We shored up Islam in Iraq, we’re doing the same thing in Afghanistan, and the US has supported every one of these “Arab spring” revolutions which are essentially about the reimposition of sharia and full Islamic society in places which, while they may have been horrid dictatorships, were moving away from it.

Look at Libya, where Bambi has our soldiers “advising” and to which we are channeling money - and the new government’s announcement yesterday that the country will be run based on Islam and Islamic law. Same with Egypt and everywhere else in the ME. Islam would have collapsed even there if we had not shored it up.


31 posted on 09/13/2011 5:34:10 AM PDT by livius
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To: xjcsa

what the alirufhoiueh723978e6r!!!! are we doing there? After 10 years and WE’RE the ones being attacked! bring the troops home and let afghanistan rot!!


32 posted on 09/13/2011 5:37:43 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (welcome dies irae)
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To: xjcsa

Obama is in the process of totally losing this thing.

Pray for our troops.


33 posted on 09/13/2011 6:36:29 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Time to move forward not to the center.)
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To: xjcsa

Praying for the safety of those at the Embassy.


34 posted on 09/13/2011 6:50:48 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: driftdiver

They also have to want to do it.

Exactly!

You cannot just "give" a people freedom and democracy....especially when the one main, uniting tenet of their lives' is islam

35 posted on 09/13/2011 6:54:48 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: driftdiver
It is possible but it requires a couple generations to do it. They also have to want to do it.

I believe you are correct on both counts.

When I was over there back in 2003, I was able to talk to some younger (teenage, early to mid 20s) Afghans. Every one of them that I talked to wanted to rid themselves of the old oppressive culture, and join the rest of the world in the 21st century. The could see, via videos and TV and what not, what was available outside of Afghanistan, and they wanted to participate. The girls were surprisingly vocal: "Burqas bad, Taliban bad, Mullahs bad". That kind of thing.

One of my interpreters once told me that ridding themselves of [the old regime] was their fight, and they knew that in the end it would be up to them to make Afghanistan what it could be, but that [at the time] they were grateful for our help.

I agree that it is going to take a couple of generations for all of this to occur. The old mullahs and tribal leaders and war lords, and everyone else who has a vested interest in maintaining "the old ways" is going to have to die off or be rendered irrelevant, and the younger folks take their turn, before we see significant changes. But if the people I talked to were any indication, I believe there is a chance.

36 posted on 09/13/2011 7:28:40 AM PDT by aragorn (We do indeed live in interesting times. FUBO.)
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To: Roccus

I agree, Roccus. I wouldn’t have agreed before the experience of Iraq and Afghanistan, but I agree now.


37 posted on 09/13/2011 7:29:38 AM PDT by American Quilter (aka American Hobbit)
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To: livius

The truth of it all is that Islam was the enemy, is the enemy, and always will be the enemy. Our liberal, moral relativist and multi culti “leaders” will not accept that, and therefore every one of these nation building exercises is doomed to failure.

Democracy is antithetical to Islam. Islam must be marginalized in a state or that state will become a theocracy.

We don’t have the balls to say “our society is superior, and your Islamic society sucks, but that’s your gig. Don’t mess with us.”

A “War on Terror” is asinine in concept, unlimited in scope, and can be directed at anyone the government says is a terrorist.


38 posted on 09/13/2011 7:30:37 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: All
How ironic is this.

An Afghan military helicopter fires on a building which is occupied by Taliban insurgents during a coordinated assault in Kabul, Afghanistan, on Tuesday, Sept. 13, 2011. Taliban insurgents fired rocket-propelled grenades and assault rifles at the U.S. Embassy, NATO headquarters and other buildings in the heart of the Afghan capital Tuesday while suicide bombers struck police buildings. The U.S. Embassy and NATO reported no casualties.

39 posted on 09/13/2011 7:34:14 AM PDT by McGruff (Why settle for second best.)
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To: ohioWfan

And at ISAF HQ. My hubby is there.


40 posted on 09/13/2011 7:48:11 AM PDT by Mrs.O'Strategery
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To: cmj328
Tet offensive. Theatre. They lose big, but they make our front pages.

My thought too.

41 posted on 09/13/2011 7:48:35 AM PDT by Ramius (Or getrsonally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: headstamp 2
"Obama is in the process of totally losing this thing."

Yes, though "in process" is probably inaccurate by now. Praying for our troops as always.

42 posted on 09/13/2011 7:51:53 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama: the Unholy Won.)
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To: xjcsa
Something for everyone to ponder ... Status for an afghan male adult is to have a male slave child under the age of fourteen. Ask a returning Vet from the theater.
43 posted on 09/13/2011 7:53:25 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Glenn
"We've lost Afghanistan. (Not our fault. The place is a rock pile.) Let's kill as many of the mongrels as possible on our way out of the place. While we're at it, let's get out of Pakistan as well."

Only in the same way. Neutralize each and every ISI allied with AlQ...

44 posted on 09/13/2011 7:53:47 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (/)
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To: cake_crumb

“When I was over there back in 2003, I was able to talk to some younger (teenage, early to mid 20s) Afghans. Every one of them that I talked to wanted to rid themselves of the old oppressive culture, and join the rest of the world in the 21st century”

This is why I believe the best thing we could have done was to send thousands of Afghans to study abroad (Europe) where they could learn to use computers and drive cars. (Girls educated in this way would never want to go back to wearing beekeeper outfits).

That was where our “allies” could have helped out—rather than by sending token troop forces.

It’s ten years too late to start that now; but you can imagine the results of educating ten years’ worth of
Afghan youth in the West.


45 posted on 09/13/2011 7:57:13 AM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: cmj328

We have a WINNER!!!! Only no one trusts the MSM so there will be no “If I’ve lost Cronkite...” moment.


46 posted on 09/13/2011 8:09:14 AM PDT by xkaydet65 (IACTA ALEA EST!!!)
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To: livius

9/11 anniversary: The end of Islamic extremism is far from nigh
It is often described as the day that changed the world but, in fact, 9/11 only brought home to the West what had been simmering, and sometimes breaking out violently, in different parts of the world for nearly half a century.

At the heart of extremism is an ideology, a world-view – and not just concerning the perceived wrong done to the Muslim Umma (or people). Such an ideology expects Islam to dominate rather than to accept a subservient place in world affairs. It promotes pan-Islam and the ultimate rejection of nation-states, even Muslim ones. It may be that some extremists chatter about an Islamic state, in this part of the world or that; however, its ultimate aim is a single Islamic political, social, economic and spiritual entity.

For many, the restoration of the Caliphate is integral to this project and, given past history, we should not be sanguine that Western powers will not collude with it if they believe it promotes a temporary self-interest. Such a vision of pan-Islam is not restricted to the Muslim world as it is now but also includes lands “lost” to Islam whether that be India, Palestine, East Timor, South Sudan or the Iberian countries.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/september-11-attacks/8754961/911-anniversary-The-end-of-Islamic-extremism-is-far-from-nigh.html

Islam is not going to “collapse under its own weight”. They won’t change and they won’t give up. I doubt we can kill all muslims and I doubt we can change all their minds. I would settle for keeping them out of America and letting them kill each other in other countries.



47 posted on 09/13/2011 8:19:59 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Mrs.O'Strategery

God Bless him, and the rest of them as well.


48 posted on 09/13/2011 8:20:08 AM PDT by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

I cannot for the life of me understand why we are still in Afghanistan.


49 posted on 09/13/2011 8:21:21 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Mrs.O'Strategery
I will pray for him. I have family in the city as well.

Not feeling too comfortable about that right now.....

50 posted on 09/13/2011 8:28:40 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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