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Congress expands Fast and Furious probe to White House
Los Angeles Times ^ | Sept. 09, 2011 | Richard A. Serrano

Posted on 09/13/2011 5:28:17 AM PDT by Broker

Congressional investigators reviewing the failed gun-tracking program Operation Fast and Furious have formally asked the Obama administration to turn over copies of "all records" involving three key White House national security officials and the program, other ATF gun cases in Phoenix, and all communications between the White House and the ATF field office in Arizona.

The letter signed Friday by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Vista), chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, and Sen. Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, was sent to National Security Advisor Thomas E. Donilon, a top aide to President Obama.

It marks a significant step in the committee's investigation into the failed gun-tracking operation, as the committee begins to broaden its investigation from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and targets White House and Department of Justice officials.

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Our close neighbor Mexico is in chaos. Spotlite FAST and FURIOUS.
1 posted on 09/13/2011 5:28:25 AM PDT by Broker
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To: Broker

Where is the new Howard Dean?


2 posted on 09/13/2011 5:30:27 AM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: Broker

There will be a stone wall to help run out the clock


3 posted on 09/13/2011 5:30:36 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Rats carry plague)
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To: Broker

I doubt anyone’s going to put this into simple enough prose for the vast majority of the country to understand until Palin addresses it as part of her campaign against Obama.

She will put it into pithy terms that even the casual observer can understand.


4 posted on 09/13/2011 5:31:29 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Broker

What records?

There’s no stinkin records.


5 posted on 09/13/2011 5:31:37 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Broker

Great word Issa.


6 posted on 09/13/2011 5:31:49 AM PDT by Beckett08 ("My Jihad means 'My Struggle' So does "Mein Kampf.")
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To: Admin Moderator

Duplicate from four days ago:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2776070/posts

A simple search for the title brought it right up.


7 posted on 09/13/2011 5:34:13 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: mvpel; Broker

I didn’t see it four days ago, thanks, “Broker” for posting!


8 posted on 09/13/2011 5:50:49 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: Broker

Wasn’t there a Fast and Furious shredding party at the White Crib so they can claim there is “no shred of evidence”?


9 posted on 09/13/2011 5:57:08 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all......)
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To: JDW11235

Then I can say, for the first time, IBTZ!

Twice!


10 posted on 09/13/2011 5:57:16 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Broker

“Under the program, ATF agents allowed illegal gun purchases and hoped to track the weapons to Mexican cartel leaders.”

I’ll continue to post this on every thread I see. The cartels are multi-billion dollar enterprises. Cartels see guns as consumables. That’s why the get left at the scene. Once a gun has fired bullets, it’s trackable by ballistic markings on the expended shells and fired slugs. Keeping the gun would tie the shooter to the shooting scene; blowing a firearm possession charge into murder. Since the guns are in effect “consumed” they are consumables. Cartel leaders don’t buy consumables. If they did you’d see the CEO of Wal-Mart visiting warehouses full of aprons and toner cartridges. Low level buyers buy consumables. The same buyer would also buy the cartel’s toilet paper, pencils and torture implements.

Therefore, the ATF’s motive was not to find the leaders of the cartels. If they want the leaders, all they have to do is ask any underling in the right circumstances and he’ll say who his boss is. You can’t exactly hide your identity when you have 10,000 employees. The ATF motive was to undermine the second amendment. And, it meant nothing to the ATF planners for Fast and Furious that Mexicans and Americans would die because of this plan.


11 posted on 09/13/2011 6:01:52 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Jonty30

What?


12 posted on 09/13/2011 6:16:51 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: Broker
Scary scenario:

Since they can't take our guns from us, they need to arm their side when they start “The revolution” against free people. Obama can set up a “crisis” and call for Marshall law as well as whatever executive laws he wants to make to handle the “crisis”.

13 posted on 09/13/2011 6:19:28 AM PDT by Linda Frances
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To: Broker
"It marks a significant step in the committee's investigation into the failed gun-tracking operation..."

Let's call it what it really was: a failed attempt at drumming up support for and justification of further anti-gun laws to disarm the citizens of these United States of America.

14 posted on 09/13/2011 6:23:49 AM PDT by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of freedom only to see fascism elected at home.)
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To: JDW11235

Rec’d email link to this, searched FR for post, found none. The shock - horror of Mexico is no mere accidente.


15 posted on 09/13/2011 6:25:19 AM PDT by Broker (Fighting time has come.)
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To: Linda Frances
Uh, didn't you mean...

martial law?

16 posted on 09/13/2011 6:26:27 AM PDT by OKSooner ("Get a brain, morans!!")
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To: ronnyquest

It is more than a failed policy, it’s all about the USA enabling/sponsoring mass murders.


17 posted on 09/13/2011 6:27:08 AM PDT by Broker (Fighting time has come.)
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To: Gen.Blather; All
The ATF motive was to undermine the second amendment. And, it meant nothing to the ATF planners for Fast and Furious that Mexicans and Americans would die because of this plan.

The more I've thought about this, the more I've concluded that the ATF and DOJ people involved are actually guilty of premeditated mass murder and should be prosecuted for it. The only logical purpose for F&F and Gunwalker was to get traceable weapons into the hands of the cartels, have them use the weapons to commit murders, trace the weapons back to American dealers, and blame legitimate gun owners and Second Amendment advocates for the carnage. Absent the carnage, there would be no political blame and no points to be scored. Thus, the guns had to be used to commit multiple murders for the whole evil scheme to work, and those who hatched the scheme had to intend that they be so used. That makes this whole thing a mass murder scheme and the individuals who developed and implemented it mass murderers.

18 posted on 09/13/2011 6:27:14 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: Linda Frances

As the “Obama experience” continues, so ripen imagination of this Marxist methodically fullfilling his fantasies.


19 posted on 09/13/2011 6:31:06 AM PDT by Broker (Fighting time has come.)
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To: Broker

People need to go to jail over this. If the pressholes were worth a tinkers damn these days it would be the 1st Idiot’s Watergate.

More info:

http://biggovernment.com/publius/2011/09/12/fast-and-furiousfeds-forced-gun-store-owner-to-make-illegal-sales/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


20 posted on 09/13/2011 6:32:21 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Time to move forward not to the center.)
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To: libstripper

Thank you!! These guns were intentionally distrubuted for carnage and the progressive anti-gun propagandistas. MSM


21 posted on 09/13/2011 6:33:33 AM PDT by Broker (Fighting time has come.)
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To: libstripper

Nailed it.

Either it was an outright arms-smuggling operation, or a “sting” which required random deaths for success. Either means some very powerful people very high in government need to go in very small cells for a very long time.


22 posted on 09/13/2011 6:40:00 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Broker

Thanks for the post-missed it prior.


23 posted on 09/13/2011 6:40:44 AM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: JDW11235

Duplicate threads often disappear.


24 posted on 09/13/2011 6:48:16 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Broker

I prefer to not receive my news from social networking sites.

Why not use the direct link to the LA Times article?


25 posted on 09/13/2011 6:49:54 AM PDT by upchuck (Rerun: Think you know hardship? Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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To: mvpel

Although this is a duplicate post, this case needs maximum exposure.


26 posted on 09/13/2011 6:52:41 AM PDT by Broker (Fighting time has come.)
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To: Broker; All

Realistically folks; could this be Obama’s “Watergate”. I friggin’ hope so.


27 posted on 09/13/2011 6:58:00 AM PDT by no dems (No matter who it might be, when I find out a person is a Democrat, I lose respect for them.)
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To: Gen.Blather

That’s a very well made point. Thanks for posting it.


28 posted on 09/13/2011 6:58:26 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: blackdog

Where is the new Howard Dean?
____________________________________________________________
Do you mean “John” Dean?


29 posted on 09/13/2011 6:59:14 AM PDT by no dems (No matter who it might be, when I find out a person is a Democrat, I lose respect for them.)
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To: Broker

barry was ¨working under the radar.¨


30 posted on 09/13/2011 6:59:57 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Broker

Although this is a duplicate post, this case needs maximum exposure.


You’re right. Besides, some of us aren’t on FR 24/7 and this is the first we’ve seen it. It does need maximum exposure.


31 posted on 09/13/2011 7:02:02 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: blackdog

Do you mean John Dean?................


32 posted on 09/13/2011 7:03:15 AM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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To: ronnyquest

When Sec. Clinton’s first act was to meet with the President of Mexico and apologize for US guns ending up in his country instead of complaining about drugs from his country ending up in our country — then you know that it was a planned course of action decided in a Cabinet meeting at the White House and she was not acting on her own.


33 posted on 09/13/2011 7:05:48 AM PDT by BigSkyDream
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To: libstripper
The only logical purpose for F&F and Gunwalker was to get traceable weapons into the hands of the cartels, have them use the weapons to commit murders, trace the weapons back to American dealers, and blame legitimate gun owners and Second Amendment advocates for the carnage.

And I can hear the rationale for this in my head. "Well, they're killing people anyway. We might as well take advantage of the situation and turn it to our benefit."

Or in the words of one Rahm Emanual: "Never let a good crisis go to waste."

34 posted on 09/13/2011 7:07:05 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Broker

YES! Finally!


35 posted on 09/13/2011 7:08:29 AM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: Linda Frances
Might consider reading Home Invasion by J.A. Johnstone. She's William Johnstone's niece and a great author herself.

The book is about a gun-controlling left winger occupying the white house. Two years ago I would have considered the events described in the book to be extremist fiction with no chance of ever really happening. Now I'm nowhere near so sure.

36 posted on 09/13/2011 7:29:22 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More (The mighty zero, obama,does not warrant the respect necessary for his name to be capitalized.)
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To: Broker; Travis McGee; Squantos; Southack
Holy.

Crap.

THIS IS GETTING HUGE

37 posted on 09/13/2011 7:31:44 AM PDT by Lazamataz (If Hitler had been as lazy as Obama, the 1940's would have been a very nice decade!!)
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To: Real Cynic No More

Thanks


38 posted on 09/13/2011 7:32:18 AM PDT by Linda Frances
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To: 9YearLurker

Agreed. I could see Palin having this an issue of the corruption of this administration for the campaign and she does know how to put it. But is she running?


39 posted on 09/13/2011 7:32:39 AM PDT by mrspeelwerneeded
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To: JDW11235
What?

What what WHAT?

40 posted on 09/13/2011 7:33:35 AM PDT by Lazamataz (If Hitler had been as lazy as Obama, the 1940's would have been a very nice decade!!)
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To: Broker

People actually died. This is much more than Watergate.


41 posted on 09/13/2011 7:34:17 AM PDT by mrspeelwerneeded
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To: mrspeelwerneeded

Fingers crossed, but getting a little cramped now—I’m a backer itching for her to announce!


42 posted on 09/13/2011 7:38:37 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

Let’s just concentrate on the illegality of this scandal, and not how some politician may/may not use this scandal in the future.


43 posted on 09/13/2011 7:40:39 AM PDT by Carling (DeMint to Obama: I want to read the bill, not listen to talking points off a TelePrompter.)
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To: Broker

I pray some big fish get caught. I’d love to say goodbye to Doofus and his commie buddies.


44 posted on 09/13/2011 7:49:09 AM PDT by dragonblustar
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To: Lazamataz; Joe Brower; marktwain; ctdonath2; Lurker
Somebody needs to make a version with Barack Hussein Obama on the door over the presidential seal.


45 posted on 09/13/2011 7:56:35 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Gen.Blather

Dead on target.


46 posted on 09/13/2011 7:57:46 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: JDW11235; mvpel; Broker

I didn’t see it four days ago, EITHER thanks, “Broker” for posting!


47 posted on 09/13/2011 7:59:42 AM PDT by mojitojoe (WH says potus didn’t feel the earthquake. No worries. Another is scheduled for November 2012)
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To: Gen.Blather

Good job.


48 posted on 09/13/2011 8:02:06 AM PDT by Lazamataz (If Hitler had been as lazy as Obama, the 1940's would have been a very nice decade!!)
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To: Jonty30

and often they don’t.


49 posted on 09/13/2011 8:02:12 AM PDT by mojitojoe (WH says potus didn’t feel the earthquake. No worries. Another is scheduled for November 2012)
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To: Broker

We reported this last Friday. L.A. Times is slow.


50 posted on 09/13/2011 8:05:59 AM PDT by montag813
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