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Ron Paul’s Farewell Address? [ Paul defends the murder of 3,000 Americans - Treason ]
nysun.com ^ | Sept 13 2011 | NY SUN

Posted on 09/13/2011 6:08:36 PM PDT by NoLibZone

After watching Congressman Ron Paul get booed at Tampa, we were struck with the thought that it could be, in effect, his last address.

The congressman from Texas had been winning his share of the Republican debates by focusing on limited government, constitutional fundamentals, and sound money, the virtues of which are thrown into ever sharper relief with each lunge by the Democrats for federal power.

But the booing he got last night was no small thing, coming as it did when he suggested that al Qaeda had attacked us because America has not only occupied Muslim holy lands at Saudi Arabia but failed to give Palestinian Arabs “fair treatment,” as he put it, and killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.

The audience at Tampa made it clear that it would have none of this.

No doubt its sentiment is widely shared throughout the Republican polity and even among Democrats. In Tampa it turned out to be Rick Santorum who called Dr. Paul on the point, rebuffing the Texan’s suggestion that America bears responsibility for the attacks the 10th anniversary of which our country has been marking with such dignity.

The way television debates work, little time was available to stretch out the talk to a discussion of America’s intercourse with the world. This is where the conversation might have turned to one of our own favorite documents, George Washington’s Farewell Address.

Washington’s Farewell —

“I repeat it, therefore,” Washington wrote, “let those engagements be observed in their genuine sense. But, in my opinion, it is unnecessary and would be unwise to extend them.” In other words, Washington was not an absolutist on foreign entanglements. He was for avoiding them where we were able, but for keeping our commitments.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Florida; US: Texas; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911truther; alqaeda; florida; iraq; libertarians; randpaultruthfile; ronpaul; ronpaultreason; ronpaultruthfile; saudiarabia; texas; treason; waronterror

1 posted on 09/13/2011 6:08:43 PM PDT by NoLibZone
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To: NoLibZone

2 days after the 1oth anniversary of the WTC and Pentagon attacks Dr Ron Paul defended Oama bin Laden.

Ron Paul also lied about what motivated the attacks.

Ron Paul must be arrested for aiding the enemy and tried for treason.


2 posted on 09/13/2011 6:11:11 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Democrats are violent. Prisons are overflowing with democrats convicted of violent crimes.)
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To: NoLibZone

Wrong Paul is DONE. Those polls that had him as high as third? Forget ‘em.


3 posted on 09/13/2011 6:13:55 PM PDT by Grunthor (Yes I know about Dream acts and Gardasils.....I just don't care. I'm voting Perry.)
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To: NoLibZone; xzins; wmfights

Boehner needs to censure him and strip him of all committee assignments. Let him join the democrats if he wants some recognition for his sedition.


4 posted on 09/13/2011 6:14:00 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: NoLibZone
The congressman from Texas had been winning his share of the Republican debates

In his own mind, perhaps.

5 posted on 09/13/2011 6:14:19 PM PDT by newheart (When does policy become treason?)
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To: NoLibZone

The resident ‘Paulist’ will be along short to show you the error of your ways and spin Paul’s words into gold. For now I’ll just wait and watch their magic show.

Now where’s the popcorn?


6 posted on 09/13/2011 6:16:02 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: NoLibZone
America has not only occupied Muslim holy lands at Saudi Arabia

I'll just brush right by the fact it's impossible for a fake religion based in violence and conquest to have holy lands. That aside, we were there BY INVITATION to prevent Saudi Arabia from becoming another Iraqi province.

7 posted on 09/13/2011 6:17:44 PM PDT by edpc (Former Normalcy Bias Victim)
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To: NoLibZone
George Washington's administration negotiated treaties with Britain, France, and Spain. Anyone who cites Washington as an isolationist is historically illiterate.
8 posted on 09/13/2011 6:22:44 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Kartographer

9 posted on 09/13/2011 6:26:51 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (I'm sticking with Herman. No more second terms!)
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To: NoLibZone

If that was enough to end the careers of politicians, the entire Democrat party would be out of power.


10 posted on 09/13/2011 6:29:01 PM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: NoLibZone

Ron Paul is just awful, and many of his supporters are absolutely disgusting. Read the Ron Paul Liberty forums to get a taste of how wretched his core fanatics are.

Ron Paul needs to leave the Republican party. Just go. He is a twisted Libertarian who can’t even denounce “truthers”, not a conservative. He is not bringing anything to the Republican party. His paulbot fans will not be voting for the actual GOP nominee anyway. At least if Paul ran 3rd party he would take away some of the drug addled, peacenik idiot vote from Obama. Go away Ron Paul.


11 posted on 09/13/2011 6:37:02 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: P-Marlowe

We don’t need political correctness in the Republican Party like they have in the Dem. Party. When they screw up like this (and like McLame and his girlfriend, Ms. Graham do ALL THE TIME) we should withhold support from them.

But nooooooo. We helped McLame win another term so he could stand up on his hind legs and call us hobbits when he went Rino once again.


12 posted on 09/13/2011 6:37:20 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Kandy Atz

Exact Party that Ron Paul would finally win with outside of his tiny little area.


13 posted on 09/13/2011 6:43:25 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Democrats are violent. Prisons are overflowing with democrats convicted of violent crimes.)
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To: Longbow1969

Ron Paul needs to leave the Republican party.

Paul already left the party once to run against Ronald Reagan. Why he was allowed back is beyond me


14 posted on 09/13/2011 6:43:25 PM PDT by Figment ("A communist is someone who reads Marx.An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx" R Reagan)
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To: NoLibZone

I think the Muzzies hate us because we support Israel but no one wants to say it. I think we ought to say it and say we don’t care if the Muzzies like it or not. I think that hatred of the Jews within the Islamic religion has led to all of the Muzzie attacks on the US - not just 911.

Saying they hate us for our freedom is stupid. Nobody believes that.

Ron Paul agrees with the Islamic terrorists - the US should not be supporting Israel. He doesn’t want to say it directly but that is what he means. Freak.


15 posted on 09/13/2011 6:43:52 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Grunthor

Waxing and waning. Sounds like he may be waning. This business of “America’s chickenssssss have come home to ROOOOOSSSSSSTTTT!” won’t cut it. We certainly don’t need another America hater finishing us off after Obama.


16 posted on 09/13/2011 6:43:52 PM PDT by Twinkie (For God (the Father) so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son .. John 3:16)
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To: SaraJohnson

I agree with you.


17 posted on 09/13/2011 6:46:48 PM PDT by Grunthor (Yes I know about Dream acts and Gardasils.....I just don't care. I'm voting Perry.)
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To: Kartographer

They must still be busy wrapping things up at Daily Kos, DU and spamming every You tube ever made.


18 posted on 09/13/2011 6:51:38 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Democrats are violent. Prisons are overflowing with democrats convicted of violent crimes.)
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To: NoLibZone

The poor little Paulettes will move on to some Coast-to-Coast broadcaster.


19 posted on 09/13/2011 6:51:47 PM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: SaraJohnson

Russians didn’t like us for who we supported either.

Thank God Reagen didn’t but the Dennis Kucinich or Ron Paul’s of his day.

Germans didn’t like us for supporting...


20 posted on 09/13/2011 6:53:56 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Democrats are violent. Prisons are overflowing with democrats convicted of violent crimes.)
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To: NoLibZone
Ron Paul must be arrested for aiding the enemy and tried for treason.

Tack on to what he said on 9/11 and in the debate that he also has said the same things and worse to Iran's state press. He sure doesn't mind being a government agent of foreign interventionism when it is against our interests.

21 posted on 09/13/2011 6:56:32 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: NoLibZone

Just when you think Ron Paul just might have something good to say, he keeps talking and you’re quickly reminded that he’s a loon and nothing but a fringe candidate.


22 posted on 09/13/2011 6:57:41 PM PDT by AFveteran (“Enraging liberals is simply one of the more enjoyable side effects of my wisdom.” -Rush)
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To: SaraJohnson
I think the Muzzies hate us because we support Israel but no one wants to say it. I think we ought to say it and say we don’t care if the Muzzies like it or not. I think that hatred of the Jews within the Islamic religion has led to all of the Muzzie attacks on the US - not just 911

That's a popular misconception. The truth is Islamists and Muslim populations in general just don't play well with any other religion. While I agree with you that Israel is a flashpoint, it isn't the cause of most Islamic attacks against us.

Bin Laden's reasoning had nothing much to do with Israel and he was a johnnie-come-lately to the Palestinian cause. And Ron Paul's description of what happened was blatantly false. We had forces in Saudi Arabia at their invitation because Iraq invaded Kuwait (another Muslim country) and threatened to move into Bin Laden's precious Muslim holy land. And we most certainly did NOT kill hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's during our enforcement of the no fly zone.

Anyway, I lived in Asia - Thailand more specifically. Where Islamic borders meet up with Buddhist you get incredible violence. The southern provinces of Thailand meet up with Malaysia and is regularly a war zone. Muslims behead, bomb, and methodically slaughter Buddhist teachers, monks, etc. And your life is serious danger as a Christian there too. That has nothing to do with Israel, it has to do with Islam meeting other religions with pure violence and hatred.

As someone who has experienced it first hand, I can tell you that Ron Paul has absolutely no idea what the heck he is talking about. The man is entirely naive, spouts theory without understand the actual facts, has foreign policy positions that would put us in more danger than Obama's does, and associates himself with the most vile of people such as truthers who are still busy investigating loopy conspiracy theories.

23 posted on 09/13/2011 6:59:45 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: NoLibZone

He’s just angling for an invitation to the Big Eid dinner at the White House.


24 posted on 09/13/2011 7:02:56 PM PDT by Abundy
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To: SaraJohnson
Ron Paul agrees with the Islamic terrorists - the US should not be supporting Israel. He doesn’t want to say it directly but that is what he means. Freak.

He doesn't say it to US media, but he has no problems saying it to foreign press, especially Iran's state media. Link Here

25 posted on 09/13/2011 7:03:09 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: P-Marlowe; NoLibZone; xzins
Let him join the democrats if he wants some recognition for his sedition.

They won't take him because he wants our fiat currency to actually be tied to gold.

26 posted on 09/13/2011 7:03:55 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Longbow1969

I agree they hate and attack everybody and if they ever managed to cleanse the world of Infidels, they would chop each other’s heads off until they were all dead, too.

But they hold a special hatred in the Koran for the Joooooos. Especially so in Israel’s part of the world. And that is where we got so “popular” with them.


27 posted on 09/13/2011 7:06:05 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson
But nooooooo. We helped McLame win another term so he could stand up on his hind legs and call us hobbits when he went Rino once again.

What you mean, we? Kimosabe.

28 posted on 09/13/2011 7:06:57 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe

I was trying to be diplomatic. That’s the royal we. LOL


29 posted on 09/13/2011 7:09:16 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: NoLibZone

Ron Paul is an unabashed 9-11 “truther” who believes that 9-11 was a conspiracy, though carried out by Muslims, was set-up by insiders in the US Government.

Ugh...


30 posted on 09/13/2011 7:09:43 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: mnehring

He’s a dilly.


31 posted on 09/13/2011 7:10:59 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: NoLibZone

32 posted on 09/13/2011 7:13:31 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: SaraJohnson
But they hold a special hatred in the Koran for the Joooooos.

Yes, they hate them too. Though I do believe Jews and Christians are at least considered by Muslims to be people of the book.

Believe it or not, your standard Sunni Islamist probably focuses more of their energy on hating Hindus and Shiite Muslims than they do Jews or Christians.

One of the greatest areas of concentrated terrorism and violence is the Indian/Pakistani border regions - particularly Kashmir. Your talking about hundreds of millions of Muslims there who really couldn't give a fig about Israel, but pour endless energy into hating Hindu's.

Muslims don't play nice ANYWHERE. Israel is a flashpoint, but most certainly not the reason the world has to endure so much Islamic violence.

33 posted on 09/13/2011 7:13:31 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969
We had forces in Saudi Arabia at their invitation because Iraq invaded Kuwait (another Muslim country) and threatened to move into Bin Laden's precious Muslim holy land.

That is true. However, we were not invited by Bin Laden - we were invited by the House of Saud. I am absolutely sure that you do not think that Bin Laden personally approved of our presence in Saudi. We were not attacked by the tiny, tiny minority of the House of Saud - we were attacked by the countrmen over which they rule.

I do not believe that you think the royal family cheered the attacks. I probably have to clarify that since there is a lot of heat on this thread - not because they like us, but because it is in their best interest to maintain a cordial relationship with their customer.

I only point this out because there seems to be some push back at Paul's point that one of Al Qaeda's complaints was that we were occupying the holy land of Saudi Arabia. It's a question of what their motivation was, not whether it's valid or not. Surely, we want to understand what the enemy is thinking.
34 posted on 09/13/2011 7:18:16 PM PDT by andyk (Income != Wealth)
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To: NoLibZone

By chance, I started re-reading David Fromkin’s “The Peace to End All Peace” a few days before watching that debate.
Good background and perspectve.


35 posted on 09/13/2011 7:18:41 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: NoLibZone

Ron Paul doesn’t understand the two most basic tenets of classical, common law libertarianism:

1. Private property

2. The defense of private property

Our private property was attacked on 9-11 and Paul refuses to go kick ass against the trespassers to defend our property.

Ron Paul is not a libertarian. I don’t know what he is.


36 posted on 09/13/2011 7:22:36 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: andyk
That is true. However, we were not invited by Bin Laden - we were invited by the House of Saud. I am absolutely sure that you do not think that Bin Laden personally approved of our presence in Saudi. We were not attacked by the tiny, tiny minority of the House of Saud - we were attacked by the countrmen over which they rule.

No, I was certainly not implying Bin Laden invited us, but the recognized and long standing government of Saudi Arabia did. Further, we had support from governments throughout the arab world for operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm. Why on earth would someone like Paul argue we should pay attention to what Bin Laden wants rather than the actual government(s) in the region.

It's a question of what their motivation was, not whether it's valid or not. Surely, we want to understand what the enemy is thinking.

I have no problem discussing and investigating what our enemy is thinking. It is perfectly clear Bin Laden turned his focus on us during that time period. But again, so what? Why on earth would we design our foreign policy around what fanatical terrorists think? Saudi Arabia was a long standing ally, as was Kuwait. We were invited in to prevent Iraq from rolling into Saudi Arabia, and to eventually expel Saddam Hussein's forces from Kuwait.

I do not believe that you think the royal family cheered the attacks. I probably have to clarify that since there is a lot of heat on this thread - not because they like us, but because it is in their best interest to maintain a cordial relationship with their customer.

I do not believe most of the Saudi leaders applauded 9-11. It's more than the fact we are customers, it's that these are status quo, filthy rich fatcats who don't appreciate their world being made more difficult. As to the sentiment of the Saudi people, I'd argue that perhaps a majority probably cheered 9-11 whether they admit it or not. But it's still more complicated than that. A LOT of people in many nations privately enjoyed seeing the big, bad United States getting its nose bloodied. When your the top dog, you just have to deal with that sort of thing.

There is a serious problem with Islamic extremism in this world. I have seen it first hand, and the arguments that it is all about Israel just aren't accurate (and are used mostly to isolate the Jewish state). Ron Paul has a very dangerous, naive view of the world - and I must say, his foreign and defense policy would put us in more danger than Obama's has.

37 posted on 09/13/2011 7:33:46 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: sergeantdave
I don’t know what he is.

Some sort of twisted cult leader?

Ron Paul is not a libertarian.

Perhaps, but I bet if Ron Paul left the GOP and ran for the nomination of the Libertarian Party he'd win in a walk. If the Libertarian Party is willing to crown him as its leader, as it has before, don't you think it is kinda hard to argue he isn't a Libertarian?

38 posted on 09/13/2011 7:40:34 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: SaraJohnson; All
you say: “I think the Muzzies hate us because we support Israel but no one wants to say it...”

I think, rather, you and most of us need to realize just what Islam IS. Their hate for us and zeal to rule the world goes back hundreds of years. Their goal has not changed. It has NOTHING to do with us today - other than we exist.

Here's a man we need in a top leadership position, anywhere from the head of military to POTUS. He knows to enemy, he does not back down, he does not apologize for ‘offending’ them - he does not speak PC.

We should all listen to this over and over until we can intelligently inform others about just who our very real enemy is - and we need to get rid of their man in the WH.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhOzIQ1-CmQ&feature=related

39 posted on 09/13/2011 7:53:05 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: TheBattman
"Ron Paul is an unabashed 9-11 “truther” who believes that 9-11 was a conspiracy, though carried out by Muslims, was set-up by insiders in the US Government.

Say what!

How does one say it was inside job but at the same time say they attacked us because we support Israel?

40 posted on 09/13/2011 8:05:35 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Democrats are violent. Prisons are overflowing with democrats convicted of violent crimes.)
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To: Longbow1969

“Perhaps, but I bet if Ron Paul left the GOP and ran for the nomination of the Libertarian Party he’d win in a walk.”

The Libertarian Party stopped being libertarian when the Marxists took over. So, yeh, I agree Paul could win the nomination for today’s so-called libertarian party, but it’s not the traditional libertarian party anymore. It’s some kind of bastardized Marxist/libertine party.

The libertarian private property tenets may still be in the party plank, but nobody talks about that anymore.

Harry Browne is spinning in his grave.


41 posted on 09/13/2011 8:07:37 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: NoLibZone

Ron Paul has always said this crap, yet there are those here on FR who deny it and still support him. Absolute fools!


42 posted on 09/13/2011 8:49:14 PM PDT by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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To: maine-iac7

Sorry, I’m a skitzoid no worth of listening to the backstabber. He’s talks a good talk. But that is about it.


43 posted on 09/13/2011 8:52:09 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson

Muslims hate us because they are all members of a psychotic cult who have been trying to dominate the world for over 1400 yrs.


44 posted on 09/13/2011 9:29:10 PM PDT by panthermom (Please Pray for C Co 3-21)
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To: panthermom

What you said is true. But we have come to be their obsession because we have stood by Israel in the Middle East. They will always hate and murder everyone, including each other. It is their allahish duty.


45 posted on 09/13/2011 10:07:43 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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